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Should Churches Pay Taxes
So I thought it was a good time for me to bring the truth and see how you responded, and you did not surprise me.
---ven. on 8/9/20

So here we have out of ven's own admission his motive for being here online. To provoke intentionally. He first did this by bringing the truth that when Paul speaks of the CROSS, ven scoffs and says it's only a piece of wood. THAT WAS INTENTIONAL BAIT and he got his jolly laugh when I took that bate and rebuked him. Firstly NO CHRISTIAN would play such games.

It all reminds me, as the Lord brought to mind Psalms 10.

Professed Troublemakers should be asked to leave CN.

Importance Of Free Will
For those who want to discuss this with ven, please be careful not to let philosophy be what you are arguing against. I believe one needs to get to the root of this teaching , and go from there. Also you can watch a few YouTube sessions with Dr Wilson under the titles I provided. God bless Dr Wilson.

This issue has been discussed here often that ends in a huge fight. It's not going to change. Be convinced in your own hearts, and don't apologize for standing in the faith that was once delivered unto the Saints....which is FREE WILL.

Should Churches Pay Taxes
Samuel, today many who call themselves Christians only listen to FOX NEWS, and we know they totally support Trumps policies even to the extent of lying about it and they just believe it. And that in itself is creating a lot of hate between Christians. Another issue is the BLM propaganda coming from FOX painting them in a horrible light. I just found out too they said Colin Kaerpatric (sp) parents were ashamed of him and said he was always a troublemaker....ANOTHER LIE FOX PROMOTED. it also creates problems with Christians who point out these lies to other Christians who refuse to hear and believe they lie.

All Christians should be appalled at this mentality of hurting small children putting them in cages. It's disgusting.

Importance Of Free Will
The issue is: where did the teaching of no free will come from.
1) it began with the Gnosticism and Stoicism . And no early church fathers taught this until Augustine of Hippo, who came out of different Gnostic teachings. And Calvinism came out of Augustine's teachings.

2) scripture warns us against those false gnostic teachers, re philosophers. Colossians 2:8

3) when you know the truth of this, the truth will set you free

4) you can study this if you want . It's called" Augustine's conversion from traditional free choice to non free free will.. A comprehensive methodology . That's the more comprehensive one. By Kenneth M Wilson. The condensed one is called The Foundation of Augustinian- Calvinism. Only $10.

Was Peter Saved Early
And those today as well as those in the OT like Job testified is that we can know we ARE SAVED. Are saved is present tense. We have an Ernest deposit of the Holy Spirit being baptized into Christ...

Now we have assurance of our salvation too OSAS , unless Reformed or at least vens peculiar version of Reformed does not believe in one's eternal security. That would then exhibit a lack of faith.

Abraham absolutely knew he was saved from hell. Saved from ETERNAL death. I think because ven has a peculiar view of the cross to begin with may confuse him. It's really not complicated. And don't follow anyone who tries to make it complicated. No one can be Abraham's spiritual children if Abraham wasnt saved. That should be a no brainer.

Should Churches Pay Taxes
Robert, concerning your question above, we have just seen in the news the absolute corruption of taxpayer money going to Jerry Falwall Jr, and his school, as he seems to live a lavish tax free life on some yacht with his pants unzipped hugging a woman not his wife with her half naked body posing for pictures thinking its a big laugh. Well he just got fired from his own university. Indefinitely. So we see so much corruption today in many of these extremely wealthy entities. Even if the yacht was rented....the rental is HUGE. But then the NRA CEO has been squandering folks donations on himself lavishly....and Trump defends such corrupt behavior.

All tax free BAD BEHAVIOR.

Should Churches Pay Taxes
Yep, I can be brutal when it comes to false doctrine. But where I attack the doctrine, ven attacks the person . He has no weapons of spiritual warfare. He fights in his carnal flesh. He hates those who war in the spirit, rightly agreeing it's brutal against carnal flesh.

I don't apologize for being brutally honest when someone posts lies, as ven has done here from the beginning.

1) the cross is only a piece of wood
2) we preexisted before the foundation of the world
3) Jesus was a man before the foundation of the world


Wolves in SHEEPS clothing come to kill and destroy. They are the most vicious of all. BEWARE of ven.

Was Peter Saved Early
OT saints were saved BY FAITH IN THE COMING REDEEMER. Hebrews 11 gives a wonderful list of those saved. We see in LUKE those of faith went to a place called ABRAHAMS BOSOM, aka Paradise. The same place the man who died next to Jesus went...TODAY YOU WILL BE WITH ME IN PARADISE.

OT looked forward to the cross, we look back. Their faith was accounted for righteousness just as ours. But today ours is COMPLETE IN HIM.

Now when Jesus rose from the dead, He led captivity captive and we see those OT Saints are now the spirits of just men MADE PERFECT are in heaven.

I guess ven has his own personal definition of salvation. YIKES. or else he's just spewing more FALSE DOCTRINE. sounds like Catholicism coming from him.

The Calvinist System
Ven, I showed you scripture Jesus was made flesh when He was born of a virgin. John 1:1-12. 1 John 1:1-8. 1Cor 15:42-45. Philippians 2:5-8, Hebrews 1-2, Romans 1:3. Just to name a few places.

I know what I believe ven. If The Word took on the form of a man, it doesn't mean He remained in that form anymore than He remained in the form of A ROCK, or a cloud, or a burning bush, or an angel. If you can't grasp that fact, you have some serious issues. I can't help you there.

So get over yourself and your rude attacks. I feel sorry for you ven. You seem like a very angry small person. You're what's called negative energy...a bummer. I will pray for your salvation ven. Once saved, you won't exhibit envy here AKA HATE.

Should Churches Pay Taxes
Ven, you seem to be on a roll attacking everyone on line, calling everyone a liar, but yourself. A real joy to be around. I can understand why you are here online, probably because you don't have any friends.....I guess they too are tired of a know it all obnoxious bully. I'll keep you in my prayers ven. You need to get saved and experience the Joy if the Lord. It's obvious you've not experienced that.

Don't be surprised if no one responds back to you after this. It's a way of saying GET LOST.

The Calvinist System
the Gospel is 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. And not only did Jesus die for our sin and was raised up on the Third day, the gospel according to the Mystery is that when we are saved we are RAISED UP TOGETHER WITH CHRIST, EPHESIANS 2:6-7 And made to sit with Him IN HEAVENLY PLACES IN CHRIST. Our citizenship right now is in HEAVEN. Only the CHURCH is called to do that.

There are those who will inherit the earth, and those who are laying up treasures in heaven. Jesus spoke of both these places. But to Paul was given so much more detail about our HEAVENLY CALLING. Eph 1:3, 2:6-7, 3:10, Heb 3:1, 8:5, 9:23. Paul also states THOSE WHO MIND EARTHLY THINGS ARE ENEMIES OF THE CROSS. Phil 3:17-19 , Gal5:11.

Different Denominations Marry
Does it actually say a man IN THE FLESH, or did ven just add that? Ven is comparing apples to oranges. No where in the OT was Jesus BORN, or begotten of man to be flesh and blood of man . We see Jesus genealogy in the Gospels of his earthly lineage going back to Adam. THIS HUMAN FLESH is what we are referring to. The very same body Jesus has today, except it it Glorified. And this same Jesus with nail prints in His hands will be the MAN CHRIST JESUS who will return at the second coming. And before Adam AKA MAN was created, there was no man Christ Jesus. Adam was THE FIRST MAN.

The Calvinist System
Hebrews 1-2 disagree with you. Secondly, what did Jesus do with His OT body? We know in the NT He was born of a virgin grew, died and rose again with the same body He was born with. Today the risen Christ still has His NT body, and one day we will see the nail marks in His hands and wounded side.

So Hebrews says God spoke to man through His Angels, but now in the LAST DAYS ( WHICH IS NOW ) God has spoken to us through His Son Jesus Christ. Even if The WORD took on the form of a man like the angels did on occasion STILL DOES NOT MAKE ANY OF THEM A MAN. I believe before His incarnation THE WORD WAS and is God in Spirit form. The LAST ADAM who is Jesus Christ came after the first man Adam. 1 Corinthians 15:45 ADAM means MAN .

Was Peter Saved Early
All OT even those of faith in the Gospel era were absolutely saved and went to a place called Abraham's bosom or Paradise UNTIL Jesus rose from the dead.

Jesus already foretold Peter he would deny Him. Never said anything about him losing his soul over it.

Are Democrats Terrorists
Strongaxe, all these things you've pointed out are kept off of FOX NEWS and that is why ven and Jerry don't get it. And what I see along the same lines of these mentally retarded Republicans is now these death threats towards Dr Fauci and his family and daughters. And who again is involved in this terrorism...TRUMP LED REPUBLICANS. who started it..TRUMP. WHO CONTINUES WITH HIS bashing agenda...JIM JORDAN and the likes.

Now I say destroying people's lives with lies is terrorism. There are all kinds of terroristic tactics. And the Republicans want you to focus on other things while they do the terrorizing. The list of folks getting death threats for speaking truth is the worse kind of terrorism. WAKE UP.

The Calvinist System
David, I don't know what your experience was like, but I do know the moment I surrendered my life to the Lord I had an experience I will never forget to this day. It felt like being carried up to heaven...but even more it was a reality of coming into the presence of God, the reality of saying ABBA FATHER, not in a way you could see, but that the Lord was RIGHT THERE, lifting me up with Him to LIFE I had never known before, and has been there closer than ever from that day forward . The presence of His Love was crushing. So yes, we do have much to look forward to. :)

Are Democrats Terrorists
For years the KKK terrorized black communities, burning crosses, dressed in their white sheets. Atlanta where I live use to have LYNCHING PICNICS . Then the horrible stories of prosperious Black communities , one such in Oklahoma totally destroyed and burnt to the ground, and mass murdering of Black people.

Now you guys are all upset the tables have turned. You can abuse and abuse and abuse just so much until all hell breaks loose. If all hell has broken loose...ITS ATTITUDES LIKE VENS AND JERRY's that keep those fires of hate going. Not having it. I know what I know and see.

But remember ven...this is GODS WILL ....REMEMBER. YOU ARE ACCUSING GOD. Shame on you. Hypocrite.

Are Democrats Terrorists
Jerry, Riots and protests began with the Boston Tea Party. Woman's Sufferage, The Gangs of NY when the rich could buy their way out of service and the poor had to go in their place caused much damage and rioting in NY back in the 1800. Another was in the late 60'early 70. All those riots in Chicage during the DNC and then protesting the Viet Nam War. College students were being murdered on their campuses KENT STATE. Then the Rodney King riots.

Sorry, but there was no BLM OR ANTIFA then. People burned flags, which the SC held up their right to protest. Protests were also against horrible working conditions.....REMEMBER THE TRIANGLE SHIRT-WASTE FACTORY FIRE.

So Jerry, we need to LISTEN and try to understand .

The Calvinist System
David, awesome. Thank you for saying that. Bless you too David. I think we will be learning and learning until the Lord comes and then we'll be learning more and more throughout all eternity. I always get excited discovering new things.

Are Democrats Terrorists
Jerry I've only seen those who want to look like BLM when now they are being identified as KKK . I don't believe 99 percent of BLM are doing the damage. But the 1 percent can do a lot of damage. Some of this damage was white women as well. We already see in Portland it's calmed down after Trump's Brown Shirts were pulled out.

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