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Can Anyone Understand Gospel
  
David, I'm asking you to put scripture here stating explicitly that "God saves those He Loves."
---kathr4453


(John (14:23) Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love Me, he will keep My words, and My Father will love him, and We will come unto him and make Our abode with him.
Abode.... a place in which a person resides, residence, dwelling, habitation, home.

Kathryn
If a person is saved, will they not live where God lives? And to whom does Jesus make this offer? It is To those whom God loves. I am glad you accept (John 3:16), but folks like you and Samuel need to read the rest of the Lords Gospel to understand the context of (John 3:16).


Can Anyone Understand Gospel
  
Kathrine
God saves those he loves, and in John, Jesus tells us why God loves us. So though I didnt say it directly, your inference is correct.

When I disagree with someone, I argue in the hope that I can convince them I am right. But in your case, this is impossible, because my Salvation message is founded on the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and yours is not. Believe me, if I thought there was a chance, I would argue with you til Jesus comes.

I debated you in the past, but since you made me aware of this fact, I find any discussion on salvation to be a fruitless endeavor. How can I convince you, when you do not accept the Lords Gospel as the Truth?


Can Anyone Understand Gospel
  
John 8:34-35 say nothing about God deciding who to save.--kathr4453

Kathrine
Where did I say it did?


Can Anyone Understand Gospel
  
Many folks go their entire lives on the wrong path, simply because they are told, through a false doctrine, they are on the right path. They put their faith, their salvation, and their Eternal Lives, in these doctrines, and not on the doctrine for which Jesus died. Jesus died, so that we could have a relationship with God the Father. Our relationship with God, is the key to salvation.

It is not you, nor I, who decides who will, and who will not be saved. This decision is made by God the Father, and he chooses, those whom he will save. Yes...Jesus loved us, and he died for us, but God the Father loves those who love him.

Jesus tells us who God loves in (John 8:34 & 35), the problem is...very few people believe him.


Close To End Times
  
StrongAxe
The very best thing you can do to your enemy, is to make them mad. Because when they are mad, it makes them easier to control. Ask any Psychologist.

I am not sure if Trump is immature, or Acting immature to create the anger needed To control those who oppose him. I look at all the things he has accomplished, Even though he has been opposed by both parties.

These career politicians havent dealt with someone as skilled a Trump at getting things done. Denzel Washington sees this, and so do I. When you get bested by someone you see as a fool, what does that make you? Very angry!!


Close To End Times
  
StrongAxe
Have you ever read the UK Times interview, they did with Denzel Washington? He is a black man, who has fought for black causes his whole life. In the interview, he said black folks need to get behind Trump.

Why would an intelligent, mature man like Denzel Washington, support Trump, if Trump is a racist?


Close To End Times
  
StrongAxe
I agree, and hope both sides wake up before we have a bloodbath on our hands after the next election.


Close To End Times
  
This inequity was one of the things that switched me from right to left then.---StrongAxe

StrongAxe
And thats the problem, its one or the other for most people, chooseIng a political party like they are rooting for a sports team. When there must be that mix between Capitalism and Socialism.

There are videos of folks being interviewed, who are Democrats, told of a Republican idea. Only They are told the idea came from Democrats. They love the idea when they believe it came from the Democrats, but hate the same idea when it comes from Republicans.

Why? Because they seek Anarchy, not Parity.


Close To End Times
  
StrongAxe
What you say is True, but you left out some facts which can be easily overlooked in the Big Picture.

In a red state, like Georgia, where I live, the majority of the lowest test scores come from largest cities. Cities like Atlanta, Albany, Columbus, Macon and Augusta.

These cities, like most large cities are controlled by the Democratic Party. And the majority of those needing government assistance, live in these cities too. Another thing to consider, is the fact the teachers in public schools, are under the control of unions, unions which are also run by the Democratic party.

And wasnt Capitalism a factor in creating the wealthy states?


Close To End Times
  
StrongAxe
A recent survey showed, 63% of the people living in California wanted to leave. I have no doubt, in the next election, those same folks will vote for the Democrats, because they blame republicans for the problems in California. Which is very confusing for many of us, in the middle, to understand, since Democrats have control of the state.

Can you explain, how they might believe republicans are at fault here and other Democratically controlled states with similar woes?


Close To End Times
  
Hear instruction and be wise, and refuse it not.
(Proverbs 8:33)


Close To End Times
  
StrongAxe
The greatest difference between Capitalism and Socialism is motivation. Greed is the motivation for Capitalism, and natural....for sinful man. Loving your neighbor is the motivation for Socialism, and that is not natural...for sinful man.

Everyone living in America has an opportunity to be wealthy. The greatest difference between the wealthy and poor in America is the way in which they invest their money.

I believe what we need in this country is an educational system that teaches folks, on their level of understanding, of how they can start off by mowing lawns as a kid...and be a Millionaire as an adult. I have 7 siblings, all born into poverty, and today 3 are millionaires. No silver spoon.


Close To End Times
  
Folks
This country was founded on Capitalism, and Socialism corrected many of the problems relating to Capitalism.

I believe many of our major cities, run by Socialists, are using the pandemic as cover to destroy the economy created by Capitalism, and somehow, replace it with Socialism.

Can anyone explain to me how these cities can survive, without the motivation of wealth which created by Capitalism?


Close To End Times
  
StrongAxe
Unbridled, because there is no political opposition in these cities. These municipalities are now free to tax the wealthy as much as they want, when the top 10% of wage earners are already paying 70% of the federal taxes.

The wealthy eventually leave these municipalities, to a place where there is less of a tax burden and where they can keep more of their money. The wealthy did not get wealthy, by being stupid, but by being greedy.

They are moving to Red states, those with more of a balanced tax system, which supports both The social and The economic.


Close To End Times
  
StrongAxe
What many, on either side of the aisle dont understand, both Socialism and Capitalism working together, is what made America Great. There must be that balance. Neither of these social theories can be allowed to be run unbridled, as proven throughout history.

Capitalism fails, by itself, because man is inherently greedy. Socialism failed, because God created mankind to work for their food.

Seattle, San Francisco and Los Angeles are perfect examples of unbridled socialism, and the condition created therein. In either case, by themselves, fail, because of the sinful nature of man. Socialism eventually bridled Capitalism, but what will we use to bridle Socialism, before America becomes Seattle?


Close To End Times
  
StrongAxe
I admit, at the core, Socialism sounds Christ like. But the problem with Socialism, is it fails to take into account, the sinful nature of man. I believe, if we could take away mans sinful nature, Socialism could create a perfect society, a society in which I would love to live. Literally,...heaven on earth.

Do you believe a government founded on socialism, can change the sinful nature of man to create such a society?


Importance Of Free Will
  
Ven
If someone had free will, and they choose to serve God, they would not sin. Jesus says, if we sin, it is because we are slaves of sin. Though many can not accept this fact, God knows, one more powerful than man, keeps us in bondage.

And This is why God, throughout time, has been willing to forgive man of their sin. According to Paul, we are either slaves of sin, or servants of righteousness.

On either side of the coin, there is no perfect slave of sin, nor servant of righteousness, so in that imperfection, I guess one could say there is a free will.





Importance Of Free Will
  
Kathrine
Good to know, Thank you for your interpretation. Very educational!

I teach the verse this way.
In the verse, Paul is alluding to those who have yet to be chosen by God, in much the same way Jesus did in (John 8:34-35).

(John 8:34-35) Jesus answered them, Verily, verily I say unto you, whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. And the servant abideth not in the house for ever, but the Son abideth ever.

Here Jesus speaks of two members, living in the same house. The Son, who has been born of God, and The Servant of Sin,...one who has not been born of God. (1 John 3:9) Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin....


Importance Of Free Will
  
David, Paul is addressing those who are saved in Romans 6-8---kathr4453

Kathrine
Not Romans 6-8, but (Romans 6:13). Paul says, Yield Yourselves....As those who are alive from the dead. Paul is telling someone, to be like someone else.

Those Who are Alive from the dead,...are obviously the saved, but who do you believe are the Yourselves Paul is talking to?

The whole verse....(Romans 6:13) Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin, but yield yourselves unto God as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.



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