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Close To End Times
  
David:

What, exactly, has Trump accomplished? Most of his campaign promises remain unfulfilled (building the Wall and making Mexico pay for it, repealing Obamacare and replacing it with something better, making sure Social Security and Medicare are safe - his new proposal to cut payroll taxes GUARANTEES that Social Security will be BANKRUPT by 2023). What has he done other than destroy our environmental protections, make us the laughing stock of he world, and kill 200,000 people?


Is God In Control
  
Samuelbb7:

Now Trump is pushing Herd Immunity.

That is how we virtually eliminated some plagues like Polio. If enough are resistant, plagues have no place to spread, like throwing a match on a pile of wet wood. We achieved this through mass vaccination (but due to anti-vaxxers, virtually extinct plagues like polio and measles are making a comeback again).

Without vaccination, at least 60% must to catch the disease and survive. Survivors will have resistance, but as about 5% who catch it die, this means before the U.S. achieves herd immunity, around THREE MILLION PEOPLE will die.

If 200,000 dead is bad, imagine FIFTEEN TIMES THAT MANY. This is what our genocidal president is proposing.


Is God In Control
  
Ven:

Fox is strongly right biased and rarely airs anything critical to Trump. "If Fox doesn't say it, it's a lie" is hopelessly naive. Don't rely on what ANY media outlets say. Look at TRUMP'S OWN twitter feed, or any media outlet (biased or not) that has links to it, because you can check out what he said out of his own mouth. Similar with video clips of him speaking. Or the White House's own web site for transcripts of his speeches. Sayig

Trump has not sued for libel any of the 24 women who accused him of rape, because the truth would come out. He fights tooth and nail to prevent giving a DNA sample. Why does Trump, again and again, fight tooth and nail to suppress evidence that would exonerate him, were he innocent?


Close To End Times
  
David:

Notice the context: "God puts kings in a place for a season and reason, so this is what it is right now"

In 2016, I thought Trump was the worst choice, but when he got elected, I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. I had hoped he would abandon his childlike histrionics and become a mature and decent (if not good) president. Unfortunately, those hopes were naive.

Yes, we need to rally around our chosen leaders, even if they aren't our own personal first choice (THIS is what Washington was talking about). That doesn't mean we must endorse everything they do, especially when what they do is immoral or criminal. This doesn't mean we need to re-elect them later just because they're elected now.


Close To End Times
  
ven:

You can see what Trump writes ON HIS OWN TWITTER FEED, and hear what he says FROM HIS OWN MOUTH on videos. Both are easily accessible. Do two mouse clicks instead of claiming people lie. It's easy.

Google: trump third term
Forbes Sept. 13. CNN Aug 18. There are videos. He also made similar comments last year.

You accuse me of believing lies second hand, but I doubt you have ever personally heard anyone from Antifa advocating violence, only what is said about them. About 94% of protests are peaceful.

Much "Antifa" and "BLM" violence is white nationalists pretending to be them to smear their names. Violent tweets from "Antifa Laguna Beach" came from Krasnoyarsk, Russia.


Importance Of Free Will
  
ven:

We have free will, not by our own power, but because God himself chose to give it to us. If we didn't have free will, why would we constantly be exhorted to CHOOSE good over evil?

Satan is the "god of this earth", again, not by his own power, but because God put him in that position.


Close To End Times
  
David:

Only one side calls for murder of the other and unconstitutional power grabs:

Ted Nugent said Democrats are like rabid coyotes and should be shot on sight.

Cowboys For Trump said "the only good Democrat is a dead Democrat". Trump retweeted this.

Despite 22nd Amendment forbidding this, Trump frequently insisted he "deserves" a third term.

Roger Stone says if Trump loses the election, he should declare martial law and seize power.

Feds killed Michael Reinoehl without warning. Trump said "There has to be retribution when you have crime like this. WRONG. There has to be JUSTICE. Due process, not execution. There is literally a constitutional amendment about this.


Close To End Times
  
David:

It happens with many Republicans too. When shown ideas from Republican leaders, but told they are Democratic ideas, they complain how horrible they are. It is bad when ANYONE puts allegiance to a party ahead of country, humanity, or God.

The country shifted far right in the past 50 years. What was radical right then is centrist now. What was centrist then is radical left now. The 1956 Republican platform looks like a Democrat playbook.

Antifa doesn't want to destroy the government. They want to root out its corrupt fascist elements. It's groups like the Proud Boys who want to burn America to the ground and rebuild an extreme right white nationalist state from the ashes.


Close To End Times
  
David:

It doesn't helpt a city to be controlled by Democrats if a Republican state enacts ruinous economic policies. Many cities enacted progressive laws like higher minimum wage, but state legislatures passed laws FORBIDDING cities from doing that.

Toronto was nice in the early '80s, maybe one homeless person ever 5 blocks downtown. When I moved back in 2000, it was around a dozen EVERY BLOCK. The city was run by a Liberal mayor, but the Conserative provincial premier hated cities. Provincial tax money went only to rural areas. Cities had to pay taxes twice - once to fund everyone else, and again to fund themselves. This inequity was one of the things that switched me from right to left then.


Importance Of Free Will
  
mike:

The Bible says nothing against self-confidence. Yes, PRIDE and HUBRIS are sins. The sin of Lucifer - thinking you deserve to be above where God put you. But the opposite (thinking you deserve to be BELOW where God put you) can be equally toxic.

When God called Moses to lead Israel out of Egypt, Moses said, "Here I am - send Aaron". Jonah initially fled God's mandate to save Nineveh.

Jesus said one of the two greatest commandments is "Love your neighbor as yourself" - but how can you do that if you don't even love yourself in the first place? I'm not talking about narcissistic self-love that puts you above everyone else, just loving yourself as God loves you.


Close To End Times
  
David:

City living forces people to interact with others, encouraging broad-mindedness and flexibility, as does education - liberal values, so urbanites are more likely to be liberals, conservatives hate education. States with large cities are more likely to vote Democrat.

Poorest states that rely most heavily on public assistance and have lowest education scores are Republican. Yet their people consistently vote Republican when Republicans keeps states poor, drives rich states into becoming poor, and drive the country into Recession EVERY TIME, which Democrats have to fix.

Trump blames California fires on "not raking forests". MOST forests in California are under FEDERAL land management - HIS responsibility.


Close To End Times
  
kathr4453:

When we use ANY of these words, we insulting people and judge them for making incorrect life choices, despite the ability to know better.

"Fool" means that. "Moron" and "idiot" mean someone who is mentally challenged, but when we use them as an insult, we don't mean that. We mean the same as "fool".

The danger doesn't necessarily come from using a single word, but it does come from an "I'm better than you" attitude, which comes from Pride - the sin of the Pharisees. I saw a post yesterday saying "I hate it when I meet a person with a mouth full of scripture and a heart full of hate".

It's easier to avoid hate by avoiding the language of hate.


Close To End Times
  
kathr4453:

It says "being angry without a cause", so it's permissible to be angry when there's a good reason. Jesus himself was angry at several people (e.g. the merchants at the temple). However, there is no similar exception clause for calling someone "Raca" or "fool".


Close To End Times
  
kathr4453:

You should be careful about calling people "idiots" or "morons", not for their sake, but your own:

Matthew 5:22
But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.


Close To End Times
  
ven:

Disagreements are fine. Jerry's problem is he makes blanket accusations: "all Democrats are Communists" and "all Democrats are Terrorists". These are not rational arguments, but closed-minded propaganda and hate speech - OVER SIXTY MILLION PEOPLE in this country are communists and terrorists. SUch accusations are absurd.

The Bible is clear about bearing false witness. Jesus said love your neighbor and your enemy - yet Jerry hates SIXTY MILLIONS OF PEOPLE for no reason.

There is a false Pharisaical Christianity in America that ignores what Jesus taught. "I was hungry and you cut my food stamps. I was sick and you cut my health care. I was homeless and you spiked park benches".


Is God In Control
  
ven:

All I say is corroborated by multiple sources. Fox News agreed Trump called military dead "losers" and "suckers". Several people heard him mock Evangelicals: "Who believes that bull****?".

Does it matter if Trump raped 24 women before or after inauguration? Does inauguration wipe away sins like baptism?

All Trump does is for HIMSELF. He ran a charity for veterans. He bkiled it for millions. They got nothing. He golfs at his own resorts and charges Secret Service top rates: he personally profits. RNC coffers are almost empty as he used their money to fund his PERSONAL lawsuits.

REPUBLICAN intel committee found Russians interfered in 2016 and Trump KNEW and HELPED.


Close To End Times
  
David:

Sosialism says people function better together and accomplish more as groups. This gives us society, cities, countries, roads, libraries, fire departments, police, hospitals, military, libraries, public utilities, television, internet, etc.

Capitlism says people work better if motivated by the reward of their labor. This gives us markets, innovation, industry, tech corporations, etc.

Both are necessary, and both are toxic if taken to the extreme while neglecting the other. Toxic socialism gave us the Soviet Union, Mao's China, Pol Pot's Kllling Fields. Toxic capitalism gave us Dickensian England with children in sweatshops, Fascism, and slavery in the American south.


Is God In Control
  
kathr4453:

Cohen's book mentions a 2016 incident from Trump Tower:

After a prayer meeting, when evangelical leaders laid their hands on him, Trump allegedly said: 'Can you believe that bulls***? Can you believe people believe that bulls***?'

Trump openly courts evangelicals and pretends to be one, yet behind their backs ridicules their beliefs. This is the "God's Chosen" so many gullible Evangelicals believe in.

Jim Bakker said God showed him a vision of the future White House, with pictures of future presidents on the walls, all Trump's current children plus other Trumps not yet born. This is not a monarchy with hereditary kings. The level of spiritual delusion here is mind-boggling.


Close To End Times
  
jerry6593:

NOBODY here is a Marxist. NOBODY posted 259K posts. NOBODY blindly hates America. Don't you tire of constantly lying?

"our values"? Who is "us"? 3M more people picked Hillary over Trump. People like you are a MINORITY.

Trump has dismantled infrastructures, increased deficit by trillions, willingly colluded with Russia to steal 2016 election (reported by REPUBLICAN Senate Intel Committee), and under his watch, we have 6x as many COVID deaths per capita as the rest of the world.

Satanists?! Look who the Bible calls The Accuser. THAT is whose ideals you follow by constant accusations of HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of Democrats.


Importance Of Free Will
  
ven:

That's a very commendable attitude, and one we should all share. We should all consider truth to be more important than winning an argument.



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