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Can Anyone Understand Gospel
  
David, I'm asking you to put scripture here stating explicitly that "God saves those He Loves." I can find NO SCRIPTURE supporting your belief here. Please don't nail together scripture that makes it look like it says that. I can also nail together scripture stating anything I want.

BUT FIRST
1) GOD IS NOT A RESPECTOR OF PERSONS. 2) Romans 5 state those who are JUSTIFIED are those where the LOVE OF GOD IS SHED ABROAD IN OUR HEARTS BY THE HOLY SPIRIT.

So now find a verse where God justifies those he loves....AGAIN, it's not there. God JUSTIFIES THE UNGODLY.. Romans 4:5. It doesn't even say God justifies the elect either. The Bible does not support your theory.


Close To End Times
  
One must include verse 21 to matthew5:22 to get its CLEAR meaning. We see below neither Jesus nor Paul have MURDER in their hearts.NOR DO I.

Luke 11:40: "You fools!"

Romans 2:20: "an instructor of the foolish"

1 Corinthians 15:36: "You foolish person!"

2 Corinthians 12:11: "I have been a fool!"

1 Peter 2:15: "put to silence the ignorance of foolish people."

Luke 24:25: "O foolish ones

Romans 1:14: "I am under obligationto the wise and to the foolish"

Galatians 3:1: "O foolish Galatians!..."

Galatians 3:3: "Are you so foolish?..."

Titus 3:3: "For we ourselves were once foolish.


Close To End Times
  
Strongaxe, Certainly we can be angry and sin not....but the sin isn't calling someone a fool or foolish, or their actions foolishness. The Bible is steeped with many verses concerning this. Proverbs 26:4-5 says, ANSWER NOT A FOOL ACCORDING TO HIS FOLLY, ANSWER A FOOL ACCORDING TO HIS FOLLY. So I guess it's ok to recognize a fool, but just don't say the word aloud?? I don't believe this is what Jesus meant.

If you have ANGER in your heart is the core here. Anger that leads to murder....and then call a brother a fool...

But I don't have anger or hate in my heart towards those who falsely accuse me because they can't read and understand my posts . Frustrated yes, hate NO.


Is God In Control
  
Strongaxe, can you believe what came out today...a tape recording of Trump, and how he blatantly lied to the American people about Covid. All on tape...that his faithful followers now have to say that LYING IS NOT A SIN. Talk about trying to normalize blatant sin. And then being attacked by his cult followers the way Scientiology attacks anyone who tries to expose the. Ven's rantings show he is just another hatchet man defending his god. ....THE DEVIL. who is the author of confusion, a murderer from the beginning, and the father of lies.

This makes it EASY to laugh off any comments you make ven. We've got your number.


Close To End Times
  
Jerry, this describes YOU.

Jude 1:10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves. 11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core. 12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds, trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots, 13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame, wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.


Is God In Control
  
Let's be clear here. If perchance Trump wins, and all you yahoos jump up and down saying YEA, GOD IS IN CONTROL , so Trump must be a good guy, you may want to REREAD your Bibles. There are times God allowed evil kings and rulers in power TO PUNISH folks . When we see the Real Jesus contrasted with the REPUBLICAN Jesus, the real gospel contrasted with the prosperity gospel , or the Gospel of America, ...WE SHOULD GET OUR ( bleep) handed to us. God has been long suffering enough with this false gospel not only here, but our affect around the world bringing it there. Has the fullness of the Gentiles come in....is this time coming to a close? Maybe. and when we see this happening THE TIME OF ANTI-CHRIST is right on its heals. WAKE UP PEOPLE.


Close To End Times
  
Ven, you are tooooo brainwashed to even reason with. Trump got in because people voted against Hillary, not FOR Trump. And we see again TODAY RUSSIA is STILL interfering with our elections. Did you not know FB scrubbed AGAIN all the fake RUSSIAN accounts, that caught them off guard the first time. Where do you live ven, Mars ? No one is angry Hillary didn't win. That's just FOX NEWS GARBAGE. No one really knew just HOW DANGEROUS Trump really is. Even his own sister says he's a liar and fake. Family knows best ven. And many a Republican is against Trump. Wake up.


Close To End Times
  
Yes yes Jerry ...I know you said anarchist, not anti_Christs, but in this day and age, seeing THE NEW REPUBLICAN PARTY claims to be God's anointed right hand of rule, it's not that different. Actually anarchists is really not a dirty word as this NEW REPUBLICAN PARTY wants you to think. It means people want LESS GOVERNMENT CONTROL over folks, which is what the OLD REPUBLICAN PARTY use to stand for. People are rebelling against THE NEW REPUBLICAN PARTY instigating a race war so obvious with Tucker Carlson and Ann Coulter's recent remarks, I find to be totally out in lala land ....so let's get the TRUTH CORRECT HERE.


Is God In Control
  
I don't think Joseph or Daniel bowed down to the powers over them. Getting thrown into an oven should prove that point. Even into death should be our stand when it comes to NOT OBEYING authority over us. My goodness, what if we are asked to pledge or sign something denying Jesus Christ? Paul was thrown in prison a few times for disobeying those authorities forbidding the preaching of Christ. Once he escaped being let down in a basket over a wall.

The Beast will be in authority over man. ven is going to obey the beast because he has been brainwashed in thinking since he's the elect God won't care. WRONG.


Importance Of Free Will
  
Secondly, the words SPIRITUALLY DEAD are found no where in scripture. Be careful of folks creating a fake straw man to promote their fake gospel. As I showed In 1 Corinthians 15, the first man Adam was not spiritual to begin with. The fallen angels you might say are SPIRITUALLY dead for all eternity. no scripture says mans spirit died. And it is impossible for Gods Spirit in us to die.

Romans 1-2 show right after Adam sinned....MAN CHANGED THE GLORY OF GOD into worshipping idols. God never hid HIS GLORY FROM THEM. Romans 1:23

Also note Exodus 24:16-17 Exodus 29:43, Exodus 40:34-35


Importance Of Free Will
  
David, re: sin... All I can say is follow Romans 6-8 very carefully. Believe every word very carefully. The blood of Christ washes away our sin, but it doesn't wash away our old man. Our identification with Jesus in death and resurrection life puts away the old man. If we walk in newness of life, God no longer seeing us after the flesh, but in the Spirit, having therefore no condemnation to those who walk after THE LAW OF THE SPIRIT OF LIFE IN CHRIST, as this LAW is the Law we are now to obey....those alive from the dead.

Because now God sees us IN CHRIST. When God looks at us, HE SEES CHRIST IN US. And the only way one can break the dominion of sin over us is to be A NEW CREATURE IN CHRIST.


Should Churches Pay Taxes
  
What I find interesting about the no free willers is this. When asked WHY DO YOU preach the Gospel, if God has already chosen ....and they always reply....BECAUSE the chosen will hear and be saved..or something like that. BUT, they never come on here to preach any gospel EVER. Preaching man does not have free will IS NOT THE GOSPEL, and not a single soul will be saved by that argument ever. So they are actually squandering their time on earth arguing about something that will NEVER bring anyone to Christ.

Everyone can see this but them. The Apostles and Prophets NEVER EVER taught such nonsense. You will not see it in any of their writings.

I call it Satans fillabustering and they are squarely in Satans grips.


Was Peter Saved Early
  

"The Lord is not slack concerning His promise (for believers)as some count slackness, but is long suffering toward us (believers) not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. 2 Peter 3:9.
---ven. on 8/14/20
Notice how false teachers have to ADD to scripture to make it say what God never said . If that's what God meant then GOD, NOT VEN would have said it the way ven has. He didn't.
Beware of anyone who adds or takes away from GOD'S WORD. No one need to correct GOD or speak over Him.


Importance Of Free Will
  
David, I hear what you are saying, but as I have been trying to point out to so many is that you have to go back to the very first verse in Romans 6, beginning at verse 1.....

When we are saved, we died with Christ, and died to sin, but many have failed to obey our part in obedience to Romans 6-8. We need to walk in the knowledge of that truth. We Need to surrender our members to God as those now alive from the dead. What Paul again reiterates in Romans 12:-12. Those who have not obeyed Romans 6 may have to face their sins one day. Seeing one is set free from sin, their free will to obey God now should not be a problem. :)


Was Peter Saved Early
  
Funny how ven quotes 1 Cor1:18...the message of the cross....So now you like Pauls verses re the cross. In no way is this verse teaching Calvinism.

What Paul is teaching...that you do not teach, is what has been taught from the beginning....FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD, THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON TO DIED ON A CROSS FOR OUR SIN, THAT WHOSOEVER believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life . And just as the serpent was lifted up in the wilderness, so must we lift up Christ. Lifting up the serpent in the wilderness showed FREE WILL. They were not saved as you so clearly stated no one was saved before Jesus died and rose again. They couldn't possibly be able to look up..depraved sinners as they were....right?


Should Churches Pay Taxes
  
Ven, Samuel and I have differing beliefs on a few things. The Sabbath rest SDA's practice, and OSAS which Samuel believes one can lose their salvation. Are you saying because we differ on our understanding of THE MYSTERY CHURCH , and you say Samuel is right, then are you saying he is right on every subject?

The problem with your snide comment here is that you used Samuel as a weapon to strike me. SO LAME. And such a stupid thing to do.

Samuel and I have respect for one another in spite of some of our differences, and don't need you to try to create contention here because I disagree with you on the subject of free will. Samuel is right there too. He believes in free will. So how does that work for you?


Was Peter Saved Early
  
What ven now needs to ask is ... CHOSE FOR WHAT? We see in the OT Israel was also CHOSEN for a purpose in God's plans. If you say Israel was chosen to be saved, then why weren't they all saved? So one needs to drill down even further on what these words mean. Timothy was chosen to be a good soldier. Paul was chosen to bring the Gospel to the Gentiles. Isaac was chosen over Ishmael and Jacob chosen over Esau. But no where does it say chosen for salvation .


Should Churches Pay Taxes
  
ven, if you were a serious bible student, you would know the ONLY CHOSEN ONE IS JESUS CHRIST. So now REREAD the verse.. It doesn't say we were chosen, it says WE WERE CHOSEN "IN HIM". You see, the Church are those IN CHRIST....CHRIST IN YOU....Paul clearly shows is the Mystery hidden but now revealed. Colossians 1:24-27....

We are chosen to be IN CHRIST and to be GLORIFIED TOGETHER WITH HIM. That was never promised to Earthly Israel. They will SEE the Glory of the Lord...WE GET TO SHARE IN HIS GLORY...John 17, COL 1:24-27 ....

So stop saying we were chosen before the foundation....

And Chosen does not mean you have no free will. Every one who is saved putting their faith in Christ IS CALLED THE CHOSEN.


Was Peter Saved Early
  
John 10:28 Jesus is talking about His Disciples, the 12 God gave Him out of Israel, those already Gods CHOSEN ELECT PEOPLE.

Jesus also states in John 6 all but one, who was Judas who betrayed Jesus so that the scriptures were fulfilled, again talking exclusively there about His Apostles/ disciples...the 12 exclusively out of Israel.

So we see Peter was absolutely saved, seeing he was not the one ...Judas ....who betrayed Jesus

But this has nothing to do with any Gentiles . If God were making a Calvinistic point, one or several of the 12 would be Gentiles.

However OSAS is based on faith in Jesus Christ and Gods SOVEREIGN PROMISES to those who put their faith in Jesus Christ.


Should Churches Pay Taxes
  
Ven again when Paul states in scripture re the cross, he in no way is suggesting we are worshipping wood. The problem is you don't understand what Paul is saying. I only post those verses Paul wrote. And I happen to understand what Paul is saying. To accuse someone of something they NEVER SAID OR INSINUATED is bearing false witness against someone. It's twisting to put someone down or ridicule. What crooked politicians do every day. So you here again make again a false accusation. Ven, I feel your doing this out of your own ignorance , and accusing Paul is to accuse God who wrote through Paul. Just because you are ignorant of this, does not excuse, because I have explained this to you more than once yet you still falsely accuse.



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