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Coronavirus And Christians
  
2 Timothy 1:7: For God hath not given us the spirit of fear, but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

1 John 4:18: There is no fear in love, but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

Matthew 10:28: And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul...

We're not supposed to fear danger. But God does not promise to deliever us FROM danger, only THROUGH danger. Praying Psalm 91 as a magic charm to keep us healthy is hubris, like jumping off the temple and expecting angels to catch us. Even Jesus knew better. Many virus outbreak clusters were traced to defiant church leaders who presumed to know better than Jesus.


Bill Gates Required Microchip
  
Steveng:

Where do you get this stuff?! Can you cite any proof he said this? I doubt it. Reuters debunked this rumor on March 31. Gates IS spending billions to reserch a vaccine.

So many people call themselves Christians, and dismiss sound corroborated science (calling it "junk science"), and sound coroborated news (calling it "fake news"), yet believe every rumor, piece of gossip and silly wives' tale that catches the wind.

The Bible consistently condemns gossip. When information is spread without verification, it gets distorted, and eventually cause much damage.

And don't forget, "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor". By spreading this lie, you do slander Bill Gates.


Satan On Over Drive
  
Steveng:

By presuming vaccinations are Satan's work, you answer your own question before letting others speak. This is just as disingenuous as "What is the worst musical group, and why is it Nickelback?"

In the 1940s-50s, polio killed it killed over half a million people each year. The vaccine eliminated that, saving MILLIONS of lives.

Vaccines aren't 100% effective. They just reduce the chance of infection. Below a certain threshold, herd immunity causes the exponential growth rate to be negative, so viruses die out rather than growing explosively - but that only works if almost everyone (excluding those who are unable) is vaccinated. Refusing vaccination harms not only you, but those around you.


Examine Religious Experience
  
"One" does not mean "One and the same". It means "unified", not "identical".

John 10:30: I and my Father are one.

-BUT-

John 17:11: ... Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

John 17:21: That they all may be one, as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

We are to be "one" IN THE SAME WAY Jesus and his father are "one". If "one" here meant "one and the same", all Christians would be identical, and the same person, which is clearly not the came.


Coronavirus And Christians
  
We shouldn't fear it, but we must respect it. Early Christians didn't fear Colloseum lions, but they still ate them. Putting yourself at risk of a plague and expecting God to keep you safe is as presumptuous (and deadly) as jumping off the roof and execting angels to catch you - something Satan told Jesus to do, but he refused.

Many pastors foolishly ignore the danger, hold large services, and wrongly assure flocks Psalm 91 will protect them.

A large outbreak in the NE AZ Navajo Nation was tracked to a church service. 34 people were infected at an event at First Assemblies of God Church in Greers Ferry AR. a VA pastor complained about "mass media hysteria", but died of the virus last week.

Everybody, be safe!


Examine Religious Experience
  
David:

The "God" of the Old Testament is the one whom Jesus refers to as "The Father". Jesus always refers to himself as "The Son".

Well, except for Isaiah 9:6:
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Oneness Christians (who are anti-trinitarians), such as the United Pentecostal Church, believe the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all one and the same, which scripture definitely does not teach.


Examine Religious Experience
  
kathr4453:

Yes, it's true Jesus never rebuked anyone for worshiping him (unlike angels, who DID rebuke people for worshiping them - which is a pretty good way to disqualify Jesus from being Michael!) However, he never suggested or commanded that anyone worship him either.

It's curious there are some indications that Jesus is God, but also some that he isn't, e.g.

Matthew 19:17, Mark 10:18, Luke 18:19: "Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God"

Mark 13:32, Matthew 24:36: "But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father."

This is why many things are mysteries, instead of nice, pat answers.


Examine Religious Experience
  
kathr4453:

To be fair, Jesus told us to worship God. He never told us to worship Jesus.

Psalm 110:1, Matthew 22:44, and Mark 12:36:
The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
("The Lord" is God, "my Lord" is the Christ)

"Lord" is a generic term referring to anyone in a superior position, not necessarily God. E.g. in Genesis 23,24,32,33,42,45,47 others call Abraham, Isaac, Esau, and Joseph "my lord", Moses in Exodus 32,34 and Numbers 11,12,36, an angel in Joshua 5:14, and others elsewhere.

Inasmuch as Jesus has the fullness of the godhead (Colossians 2:9), he is definitely Lord, regardless of whether he is actually God.


Examine Religious Experience
  
David:

What matters is not who Jesus actually is, but what authority he has. People wondered, asking "What manner of man is this, that even the winds and the sea obey him!" (Matthew 8:27, Mark 4:41).

In diplomacy, an Ambassador Plenipotentiary is empowered to negotiate treaties on behalf of a king or government. When he speaks, his words are as if the king himself had spoken.

Colossians 2:9 says, "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily." - he exercises the full authority of God. It doesn't matter if he is actually God, as he can act as if he is. Priests have authority to speak to God on our behalf. Prophets have authority to speak to us on God's behalf. Jesus is both.


Examine Religious Experience
  
David:

There are a few people here (with David8318 being the most recent) who are Jehovah's Witnesses. JWs don't deny that Jesus is the Son of God. However, they DO deny that he IS God, and say only that he is "a God" (citing a different interpretation of John 1:1, and several other scriptures), and say that Jesus is actually the same person as the archangel Michael.

There are also others who believe that Jesus is the Son of God, but is not God himself.


Examine Religious Experience
  
kathr4453:

I think you are confusing "David" with "David8318" (who also sometimes uses "David831"). These are two different people.

David8318 is a devout Jehovah's Witness who almost always tries to twist every discussion on here to JW doctrines (e.g. denying the Trinity and the deity of Christ, and how Jesus is Michael, and about how the Bible mistranslates God's name in hundreds of places, and how early NT manuscripts actually had the word "Jehovah" in them). He seems obsessed with these things, because he seems to discuss little else.


Examine Religious Experience
  
jerry6593:

You wrote: In heaven and the New Earth we will all keep the entire Law. There will be no sinners in Heaven.

Where in the Bible does it say that those in Heaven keep the entire Law?

The Law is given to sinners. Since there are no sinners in heaven, the Law will be irrelevant there.

Since in heaven, none marry or are given in marriage, the concept of adultery is impossible and irrelevant. Since in heaven, nobody dies, the concept of murder is impossible and irrelevant. Those in heaven will not offer up animal sacrifices as the Law requires. Thus, many parts of the Law will become unnecessary and irrelevant, so keeping those will be meaningless.


Examine Religious Experience
  
David:

The problem is, many call themselves Christians, yet by their acts and deeds are plainly not under "the righteousness of Christ", and don't know God, and don't follow the gospel of our Lord Jesus.

For example, those who follow preachers whose teachings are plainly opposed to what Christ taught (e.g. Paula White), or who believe a man who breaks most of the Ten Commandments on a daily basis is "God's Chosen". Preachers who, during disasters, won't open their churches to the homeless, because it might ruin the upholstery. People who spend more time judging and condemning their neighbors, rather than loving them. "By their fruits you will know them", but it's fruit I wouldn't eat even if starving.


Examine Religious Experience
  
David:

All Israel (except Levi) gave 10% to support Levi, in lieu of their inheritance. All Levi gave 10% to support the priests.

The Law (including the Ten Commandments and tithing) are useful crutches for children who can follow explicit instructions, but not abstract principles. Adults able to appreciate "love your neighbor as yourself" need no such instructions. They ALREADY avoid murder, theft, adultery, perjury, and envy, and take care of their neighbor (as much as neeeded, not just 10%) without needing to be told. We christians are not under the Law.

It's only people who don't truly follow the law of Christ who need explicit laws to tell them what they should already be doing automatically.


Examine Religious Experience
  
David:

Jesus said "The LOVE of money is the root of all evil." Money is a tool to be used, not an idol to be worshiped, because what we worship, we become slaves to (including God).

Many cannot distinguish wants from needs (especially rich evangelists). You may NEED a car to get to work, but you don't NEED a Mercedes - you just WANT one. If we "love our neighbors as ourselves", we will treat their needs on par with our own, neither less (which is selfish), no more (which is self-destructive).

The tithe was NOT for "the needs of others". It was not charity for the poor. It was specifically to compensate Levi, because unlike other tribes, they had no land of their own.


Examine Religious Experience
  
The problem with tithing mentality is it creates a dichotomy between what is God's or ours. 10% of what we own is God's, and the other 90% ours - the mentality of an employee. 8 hours belongs to his employer, the other 16 to him to do with as he pleases.

Remember the old hymn, "I surrender one tenth! I surrender one tenth! One tenth to thee, my blessed savior! I surrender one tenth!"? Neither do I. It's "I surrender ALL!"

Like the shepherd who gives his life for his flock (unlike the hired man), we are executives, not employees. EVERYTHING we own belongs to God. We are free to use it for our own expenses, but we will be held accountable for those expenses, just like an executive with an expense account.



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