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Funny ven uses the verse re The Cross, ....I guess if he says it, it's not a piece of wood, but when I say anything about the cross, somehow it's only a piece of wood. What is even more telling is Calvinist's don't adhear to the cross, they adhear to election. The preaching of the cross is NOT....GOD PICKED ME, OH MY GOD PICKED ME. That's not the Gospel or the preaching of the Cross.

Here's the preaching of the cross:

For God so loved the world He gave His only begotten Son to die on a cross, for our sins, and not only ours but the sins of the whole world, that whosoever...meaning this includes Gentiles as well as Jews, BELIEVES IN HIM will not perish but have eternal life.


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ven, just because God knows beginning to the end still does not prove Calvinism. You make all sorts of silly accusations against those who do not adhere to Calvinism. First you accused me of denying Jesus , then compare me to Jews who rejected Jesus as the Messiah, ....what next ven? You just pull false accusations out of your ear. You say all sorts of stuff and don't even back up with scripture, and when you do use scripture it's so out in left field one wonders where you get such ideas. You force scripture to say what it is not saying. This is exactly how CULTS operate. And then go wacco when questioned.


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ven again you twist scripture to say what you want. You make God look schitzo. All Peter had to say from the Calvin's perspective is, GOD IS WAITING FOR HIS ELECT TO REPENT. But that is not what the verse says. Only in your mind. That is only YOUR INTERPRETATION of scripture. Your interpretation is not the one and only final interpretation. Please understand that.


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There is no scripture that the Holy Spirit makes you ALIVE first so that you can hear the Gospel and Believe. The WORD OF GOD is living and powerful itself in its own right, JESUS SAID MY WORDS ARE SPIRIT AND LIFE John 6:63 So now we see Romans 10 is true . The preaching of the Gospel is all that's needed to pierce between soul and spirit joint and marrow..Hebrews 4. The WORD is more powerful than our fallen nature. ven says man's fallen state is more powerful than God. YIKES He puts God on a very small powerless scale equal to man. That's horrible. My God is more powerful than ven's god

Where is ven's scripture?


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Van you are hilarious. The verse you posted was to Jews who rejected the CROSS, not those who deny your false doctrine. You can't even use correct scripture to make a case. Being a Jew, I have not rejected Christ and Him Crucified and risen for my redemption. But you may have ven. Try again with your nonsense. You have no clue who your talking to. ( One of God's REAL ELECT) silly.


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One problem with Calvinism is they either don't understand justification, or just plain don't believe the scriptures concerning justification. One must first be justified by faith. This is your LEGAL STANDING BEFORE GOD. It is NOT your Born Again experience. You see, Martin Luther was the one in the RCC who so wonderfully wrote about Justification by faith. The Catholics hated it. Calvin being at one time a Catholic must have hated it too, along with Martin Luther, and made up his own doctrine ...REFORMED CATHOLICISM. It's the RCC, illigitimate child . Calvin also believed in infant baptism, and murdered the annabaptists who disagreed with that Catholic doctrine. Folks, Calvinism is reformed Catholicism, still got it wrong.


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ven , Just because one does not believe in your CULT doctrine, does not mean they are guilty of all your accusations here. This is what you have been taught by your cult leaders to keep you in that cult, by making you believe if you don't stay where you are that is what you become or believe. They also want to make sure you've been brainwashed to believe those who oppose are enemies of God. You couldn't be further from the truth. I actually feel sorry for you ven, and all those Satan has a stronghold over.

We are sealed and filled with the Holy Spirit AFTER WE BELIEVE, not before. Your doctrine is not grounded in the Word if God, but in mans philosophy and theories. I'll keep you in my prayers ven.


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Poor delusional ven, Mormons use the verse in Jeremiah , so again that raises a red flag. That was not to you specifically ven, as you are not Jeremiah or a prophet, and before Isaac and Jacob were born, God told Rebecca when she was pregnant with twins the elder will SERVE the younger. Genesis 25:23 But again ven, Amos 3:2 state God only knew Israel of all the families on earth. So again I ask you, were you a spirit baby Jew or a spirit baby Gentile? So if perhaps you are hanging your hat on those two verses, no scripture makes any such comment about Gentiles.

Again yours is MORMON, not Christianity or even mainstream Calvinism. I'm afraid you've gotten yourself tied up with a church who let the dogs in.


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ven , Just because one does not believe in your CULT doctrine, does not mean they are guilty of all your accusations here. This is what you have been taught by your cult leaders to keep you in that cult, by making you believe if you don't stay where you are that is what you become or believe. They also want to make sure you've been brainwashed to believe those who oppose are enemies of God. You couldn't be further from the truth. I actually feel sorry for you ven, and all those Satan has a stronghold over.

We are sealed and filled with the Holy Spirit AFTER WE BELIEVE, not before. Your doctrine is not grounded in the Word if God, but in mans philosophy and theories. I'll keep you in my prayers ven.


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When the Holy Spirit MAKES YOU ALIVE, it's only after one has been Crucified with Christ and raised up together with Him, where to be " made alive " only comes AFTER DEATH. Ephesians 2:1-10 Romans 6-8 ONLY IN CHRIST ARE YOU MADE ALIVE. We also have to die with Christ FIRST, now today to be MADE ALIVE. Galatians 2:20-21 Gal 6 . Those who do will not see or be part of the SECOND DEATH. Jesus came to save us from THE SECOND DEATH.

So no, no one is just made alive by the Holy Spirit apart from Jesus Christ and our identification with Him in death OUR SECOND DEATH NOW, and resurrection life NOW IN CHRIST. The Holy Spirit is not magically resurrecting anyone prior to belief in Jesus. This is a CULT DOCTRINE.


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Jerry, having the right to objects to what is injected into your body, something has made me sick over the past week and I still can't get over it. The murder of a young Black boy in Colorado who was not only in a choke hold ..(did anyone see how small this kid was)..but was also injected with a drug ad well by those police. Then died 3 days later. I'd like to know what right police have in injecting any drug into anyone. They are not Dr.s. did not first check his medical history to see if that drug would harm him, the guy possibly being diabetic or something else that would have caused a fatal reaction. That horrifies me to no end. Do you find police brutality and murder here? Just wondering if you think that's ok but vaccines are not.


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David, ven is so emotional about his beliefs that he is losing self control in any answer he can't give to me by throwing on personal attacks of what he thinks I do and do not believe based more on meanness then fact. Accused without proof text. Others here do this same thing when they either can't support their comments or just hate you for yours. If all one has is one verse they throw at you, and insist it says something it's not saying, and one points that out asking for more scripture support but get insults instead....that person is not worth debating with. This is how CULTS work. They are outraged when questioned.


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Actually I worship God through Jesus Christ. And just to make clear ven, calling you stupid was a direct rebuke to your hypocricy that you excuse Trump for saying this to others and even worse. You have every right to be outraged, and you need to show you are outraged. In doing so, will prove what you say to me you also say to Trump. Sorry I had to tease this truth out of you, but there is more than one way to skin a cat. Or is that a saying that goes against your intellect AKA understanding?

You do know God said HYPOCRITS will not enter the Kingdom don't you? Matthew 23:13


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Ven randomly pick verses he doesn't understand. That verse would apply to TRUMP, with his nasty nicknames, hate speech, totally ruining others reputations by slandering he learned from Roy Coen, comes out of "his" heart. Trump is guilty of all 7 sins GOD HATES. Proverbs 6:16-19. ven is guilty of calling evil good and good evil. So WOE TO YOU VEN, direct warning from God.

2Timothy 4:2 is a direct command from God to us to REBUKE ETC. so all this shaming for standing up for the truth is actually from Satan ven. It's obvious who has a stronghold over you. Also claiming you preexisted. GOT QUESTIONS ven may explain to you your heresy, also Calvinist's who answer those questions. Blows your THEORY right out of the water.


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Ven, now I know you are stupid. You don't even understand English, so you are not an authority on abbreviations. Calvinism, AKA Reformed Theology, 5-6 points AKA THE TULIP, in no way distortes facts. You are just plain stupid ven. And then you want to use your own stupidity to make some federal case against me as if AKA is demonic. So moronic. Keep it up. Show yourself to others and your childish behavior in cursing others you have no clue what you are cursing. I'm actually getting a kick out of your posts. I learn something new about you every post. Infantile is what you are. And a heretic.


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Another question to ask David is....were we chosen before the foundation already holy and blameless or did that come after? What were we before the foundation, sinless? Or sinners? Even the Angels were created upright until 1/3 fell away. So if say we were holy and blameless before the foundation , we then had no choice but to enter into an unholy body of flesh? Strange. Why would God violate His creation that way. Don't say because God is all those OMNI things and can do whatever He wants. The thing is, no matter how this is meted out, it always hits a dead end and runs headlong into heresy. That's why ven cannot answer my questions, because he knows it is a dead end and creates more questions. Many sites refute this, except Mormon sites.


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Ven, please take the oak tree out of your eye. The only thing coming out of your mouth is heresy, and dung. You are out if control with your rantings because I call you out on your nonsense. Yes, we are to REBUKE, REPROVE, false teachers. I have Gods permission to rebuke and expose you. I also have a wonderful personal relationship with the Lord, who has gifted me for the purpose of exposing false doctrine and teachers in the Church. You have no spiritual gift, that is only given to those who obey Romans 12, you protested shows you have no clue. These gifts are stated right after verse 2.

Keep up your rantings ven, as too many more may get you bounced off CN. You wouldn't be the first Calvinist Mormon who was bounced off.


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ven, I love those verses, but it still does not say we preexisted and are incarnate beings. Your heresy is so silly to main stream Christianity. Reincarnation in any form or fashion is not Christianity, and the Gospel is about Jesus Christ, not your supposed pre-Existence.

You just won't stop. Seeing things not there is a sign of either brainwashing or mental illness.


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Ven, changing the subject claiming you know what I do and do not believe about God attributes is a childish game and hold no water. You are acting like you are God. YIKES. Just because YOU CLAIM to throw around all those Calvinistic points we hear from you all over and over as if you have a corner on TRUTH because you know and can spell these words STILL DOES NOT SAY YOU PRE-EXISTED. Heck, you can make up anything you want and claim it's because you believe God is this and that. I believe all those things Ven, but still do not believe in your THEORY OF BEING INCARNATE. its heresy PERIOD. And is not mainstream Calvinism either. Your pride won't let you admit you are wrong. So you'll hold that heresy to death. It's called PRIDE.


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"Who has saved us and called us with a Holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began," 2 Tim. 1:9.
---ven. on 7/2/20

Yes, Jesus was foreordained before the foundation of the world to take away sin, however no where in this verse states we pre-existed. If we preexisted as a soul or spirit then we would also be said to be incarnate...meaning preexisting and then taking on flesh. The ONLY ONE WHO PREEXISTED and was incarnate, meaning was made flesh, was Jesus Christ. In the beginning was the word, and the Word was with God and the WORD WAS GOD and the WORD was made flesh. No verse says this about Adam.



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