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Know Each Other In Heaven
  
Ven
Thank you.
Your journey, thats the information I was looking for.

Kathrine
Earlier, you gave me (John 17) as a foundational reference of the Lords teachings on Grace. This is a prayer between Father and Son. I was looking for a teaching the Lord gave to his disciples, on Grace.

For example
As you know, I teach Grace is the favor of God, and use a clearly written verse like (John 14:21) as a foundation for this teaching. And from that foundation, I can teach what Paul wrote in (Romans 2:5-16), as a witness to what I teach.


People Reject God
  
Ven
If you cannot see in the darkness, is it not the absence of light which makes us blind? Who provides the light, God or Satan?


People Reject God
  
Who blinded man? The devil---ven

He hath blinded their eyes and hardened their heart, that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.(John 12:40)

Ven
You believe the He in this verse, Jesus is referring to, is Satan?
Maybe you are the confused one. Read below.

But if our Gospel be hid, it is hid to those who are lost, whose unbelieving minds the god of this world hath blinded, lest the light of the glorious Gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.(2 Corinthians 4:3-4)

You can also read (Exodus 4:11).


Know Each Other In Heaven
  
JW's believe what Revelation 7 teaches- millions will be saved. Revelation 7 clearly points out, there are 2 groups of saved ones: the 144,000, and the great multitude.---David8318

David
Thats what I love about this site, you can get the answers you desire directly from the believers. Thanks for clearing that up. I have Always thought that was a strange belief, and now I know why, because its simply not true.

Kathrine
Do you believe New Testament Grace is different from Old Testament Grace? If so, in what way?


Know Each Other In Heaven
  
Before I can answer your question, please tell me exactly what you say my beliefs on on Grace that Jesus didn't preach. The Law came through Moses, but Grace and Truth came by Jesus Christ. ---kath4453 on 7/10/20

Kathrine
As you have shown, God gave Moses a covenant of Law, and Jesus, a covenant of Grace.

When we read about Moses we can clearly see his teachings on The Law, which as you know, are called the Law of Moses.
When we read the Gospel of Christ, shouldnt we clearly see his teachings on Grace. Can you show me where Jesus, the Author of Salvation, taught about Grace?

Ven
I realized a doctrine didnt draw me to Christ, God did. So this is probably who drew you. What did God do, to draw you?


People Reject God
  
Ven
I believe Frustrated, is the best word to describe Gods feelings toward those who reject him. Kinda like you would feel, while being rejected, when beckoning folks to climb down to safely, as you hold a ladder to the side of a burning building.

They reject your offer, simply because they dont believe the building is on fire. Are you going to morn the folks who rejected your offer, those you never knew?
Yes, but not to the degree you would morn those you love. I believe God feels the same way you would feel in this situation.

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from Me, ye that work iniquity.
(Matthew 7:23)


Know Each Other In Heaven
  
Also the foundation of the Gospel began in Genesis.---kathr4453

It has always been my ambition to preach the gospel where Christ was not known, so that I would not be building on someone elses foundation. (Romans 15:20)

Kathrine
Paul taught about Grace, and on this I agree with you. I can clearly see the foundation for his teachings, on Grace, in the Gospel of Christ. You teach Grace, claiming they are Pauls teachings, and yet I do not see your teachings of Grace, anywhere in the Gospel of Christ.

I know this is simply because we define the word Grace, differently. Can you show me where your definition of Grace in found in the Gospel of Christ?


Know Each Other In Heaven
  
Kathrine
Thats a really Good point about the 144,000, especially when you consider they have millions of Members.

Ven
Thanks for the references. I have heard John MacArthur on the radio, and had no idea. Very helpful, I can Listen to his program on a podcast.

Pauls teachings are founded upon the Gospel of Christ. Since it was founded on the Gospel, we can reference this foundation when reading Pauls letters, in order to gain a better understanding. Can you show me, in the Gospel, the foundational teachings of predestination?

I always use the Gospel as a Litmus test to determine the Truth of a teaching. If its not supported by the same foundation Paul used, it has no support.


Know Each Other In Heaven
  
Ven
Thank you for your answers. Thats Interesting, that you dont study John Calvin. Do you know if your thoughts on predestination are the same as his? If so, I can read what he wrote and get a better understanding of the teaching.

Is there anything, besides the bible, you use to study? For example, Some folks study the bible through the teaching of people like John Wesley, Matthew Henry, Ellen White, Joseph Smith, Billy Graham...etc.


Know Each Other In Heaven
  
When we witness, we do not know who God is going to save...---ven

Ven
This is where Calvinism loses me. What is the motivation for the Calvinist? With most doctrines, the motivation to follow, is the promise of Salvation.

With Calvinism, there is a guarantee of Salvation for those chosen before they were born, but an Impossibility for those who were not chosen before they were born. Calvinism tends to remove the promise of Salvation, a promise for those who choose to follow Christ.

Whats the point of following Christ, if there is no reward for those who were not chosen, before they were born? And if I am chosen, I can live anyway I want, until Gods Holy Spirit takes control of me.


Know Each Other In Heaven
  
It just happens to you one day, and at that moment you know Christ has come into your life.---ven

Ven
At the moment you mention, How do you know Christ has come into your life? Your testimony, of this moment, would be very helpful to my understanding.

Throughout my life, I sought salvation through one of many Protestant doctrines. Though I hadnt attended a church in many years, on my 41st birthday, feeling I had attained every ounce of happiness the world had to offer, hitting rock bottom emotionally, I decided to seek after, and found, the Joy of the Lord.

In my testimony I definitely relate to the Prodigal Son in (Luke 15:11-24).


Know Each Other In Heaven
  

Kathrine
Though I may not agree with Ven, Ven is not a disagreeable person. And I hope to have an honest Christ like conversation with him, or her, which will help me better understand the basic premise behind the teachings on predestination.

Most people are emotional tied to their religion, much like they are to their political parties. When this is the case, when questioned, they give you a diatribe of answers which never Really address the question. I dont believe Ven falls into this category, therefore I may get the answer I am seeking.


Know Each Other In Heaven
  
Ven
Thought I would steer this conversation in another direction, hoping you can better explain something to me about Calvinism.

I dont really understand how someone is saved according to your doctrine. How do you know, what sign do you have, to know if you were chosen before you were born?

Or, are you chosen before you are born, and saved sometime after you are born? And if you are saved after you are born, what do you do to be saved?

And BTW, thanks for your support on the other blog question.


Meaning Of The Word Repent
  
Always find 2-3 supporting scriptures to establish a truth.---kathr4453

But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.(Matthew 18:16)

Kathrine
Jesus said, 2-3 Witnesses,...not verses. And this is Exactly, why there are so many false doctrines today. We have 8-9 men who wrote the New Testament, all who are witnesses to one another. And yet doctrines, like yours, use Paul without any other Biblical witnesses.

Instead, you use Men like Matthew Henry, John Calvin, John Westley, Billy Graham, Jimmy Swaggart, Charles Stanley, Hank Hanegraaff....etc, as witnesses to support your doctrines.


Meaning Of The Word Repent
  
David the authors of scripture did not write commentaries, as the WORD OF GOD is not a commentary.---kathr4453

Kathrine
Exactly!!

But to my point, Dictionaries are also written by men and the definitions come from men. The definition did not come from God, but written according to how the word is used.

We speak English, and yet in England there are many words we use, which have an entirely different meaning.....in England. A language which has changed dramatically in America, in just 200 years. From what I have read, the first Greek dictionary published in English, was in 1843.

Do you think the definitions of those words might have changed over those 1800 years?


Take COVID-19 Vaccination Today
  
My wife works in a hospital and not only does she wear a mask, but also goggles. Most people dont know it, but you can actually get it through the membrane of the eye.

I see the mask as a way to limit the distance, a person who may have Covid from spreading it. For example, If someone who has it, sneezes or coughs unmasked, their germs go much farther than if they are wearing a mask. A sneeze or cough in a crowd, tends to get everyones attention these days.

Some folks are really terrified of this virus and if you are not wearing a mask, you may find yourself in a dangerous situation.


Meaning Of The Word Repent
  
David, most people don't look to commentaries as they do to scripture. No teacher today or ever is 100% correct, and none claim to know 100% truth.---kathr4453

Kathrine
I am sorry you feel that way. Personally, I believe 100% of what the Lord and his apostles, taught in the bible.

Because you quote from the bible, I know you trust some of the teachers in the New Testament. How do you make the distinction, between the truth and a false teaching, when reading the Bible?


Take COVID-19 Vaccination Today
  
Mandatory or not, sign me up. Why?
I agree with Kathrine. If you get it you can spread it...if you spread it, you can kill people.

How would you like that on your conscience? If the virus didnt kill you, the guilt would. But...if you did everything in your power to keep from getting it, or spreading it, you probably wouldnt feel as bad, should it happen.


Meaning Of The Word Repent
  
StrongAxe
Many people read Bible commentaries to ascertain biblical knowledge. They believe what they read, because they believe writers like Matthew Henry are taught by the Holy Spirit.

Matthew Henry claimed to be taught by the Holy Spirit, his guess, the behemoth was a Hippopotamus, proves this was not taught to him by the Holy Spirit. Which, I would hope, cause folks to question everything he wrote.

Now in light of all of this, because of men like Matthew Henry, who guess their way through the bible, people missed this amazing fact, the Bible told us about this enormous creature, many years before it was ever discovered.

Atheists dont read Matthew Henry, and when I show them this in Job, they are amazed.


Meaning Of The Word Repent
  
When I see an English word in scripture i do not use an English dictionary, but go back to the original Greek or Hebrew word...---kathr4453

Kathrine
One day many years ago I was reading the book of Job and saw the word Behemoth. I looked it up in a Hebrew dictionary, and it said it was a Hippopotamus.

The Bible is clearly is not a describing a Hippopotamus In (Job 40). Its description is that of a Dinosaur. When I was reading Matthew Henrys commentaries, he also said it was a Hippopotamus.
Why?

The Dinosaur wasnt discovered until after Henrys death. If it had been before, Henry would have said the Behemoth was a Dinosaur. Since he was so highly regarded, his opinion, probably created the definition.



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