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Know Each Other In Heaven
David, I'm not sure the purpose of the verse you posted. But to your question. Before I can answer your question, please tell me exactly what you say my beliefs on on Grace that Jesus didn't preach. The Law came through Moses, but Grace and Truth came by Jesus Christ.

Ok David, Jesus came into the world to die for sinners. Jesus was FORORDAINED before the foundation of the world to take away sin. Today GRACE REIGNS THROUGH JESUS CHRIST. We are saved by Jesus death and resurection . Justified by His BLOOD and saved by His RISEN LIFE . BY GRACE you have been saved through faith in Jesus sacrifice on the cross. Jesus talked about His death many times with His disciples.

Know Each Other In Heaven
And ven, just because you can list all these verses re the MYSTERY, shows you have no clue we were talking about the MYSTERY OF THE CHURCH. Where did I incorporate any of those other verses and apply to the CHURCH. The One new man, is the Church. Israel the nation is not the Church. And Paul in his teaching clearly distinguishes the Church is not earthly Israel. You first need to understand this. We are not a new Israel, we are a NEW CREATURE, NEITHER JEW OR GENTILE. OLD THINGS PASS AWAY ALL THINGS BECOME NEW.

I Want To Serve God
THE LAW OF FAITH is not works. Here are a few nuggets of GOLD Calvinist's reject.
Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Romans 9:32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone,

People Reject God
Ephesians 4:30
30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

The audacity of saying God has no feelings, is outrageous. I think ven believes not only is God a robot but so are these elect robots.

Anger is an emotion we see often in Scripture concerning God. Compassion is another. Jonah understood God was a compassionate God. having TENDER MERCIES , LOVINGKINDNESS, ETC. To say God has no feelings or emotions is to accuse God of being a psychopath.

I feel sorry for ven who's god is so diminished in his eyes.

Know Each Other In Heaven
This is to the Church, not Mark 13. Mark 13 happens AFTER the Church is translated.

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

People Reject God
Here is a wonderful verse we see God DOES FEEL , ....

Genesis 6:6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

So again, the question asked, WHAT DO YOU THINK? Wrong question, it should be," what does scripture tell us what God feels about rebellion and rejection?

Now please look up the definition of grieve. It's quite intense if you've ever grieved. ven's question wants to test your knowledge of scripture hoping you don't read the bible, so that ven can rewrite his own scripture= CULT, and brainwash you into his thinking. Don't fall for it. JUST BELIEVE WHAT GOD SAID, not ven's cult interpretation of what he says God really ment.

Can Angels Have God's Grace
ven uses scripture he doesn't understand, and promotes doctrines contrary to scripture. I know the Word of God, so YOU don't have to give me anything I don't already know and have GOD GAVE ME. It's YOUR INTERPRETATION of scripture ven, I reject...YOUR TEACHING I reject ven. All cults want to give you scripture. And GOD also gave me a GIFT for the work of the ministry, so that people are not being tossed and turned by every wind of doctrine pudknockers like yourself push onto folks. So the real issue here ven is IM GIVING YOU SCRIPTURE that is a stumbling stone to you and a rock of offense to you. You have rejected Romans 6-8 explaining exactly HOW one comes to be IN CHRIST and given the Holy Spirit AFTER THEY BELIEVE.

Can Angels Have God's Grace
These verses do not speak of the soul preexisting before birth, but of God calling and setting apart people for the ministry long before they are born. I knew you does not refer to a preexistent soul, but to the prenatal person. They were known by God in the womb (Jer. 1:5, cf. Ps. 51:6, 139:1316). The word know (yada) implies a special relationship of commitment (cf. Amos 3:2). It is supported by words like sanctified (set apart) and ordained, which reveal that God had a special assignment for Jeremiah (and Paul, Gal. 1:1516), even before birth. Therefore, these passages do not imply preexistence of a soul, rather, they affirm preordination of an individual to a special ministry.

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But God who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ, (by grace you have been save )" Eph. 2:4,5.
---ven. on 7/4/20

This ven is where you use scripture in one place that clearly says we are MADE ALIVE IN CHRIST, but then you say the Holy Spirit makes you SPIRITUALLY ALIVE before even believing in Jesus Christ. You see, scripture doesn't lie. Also this verse is in keeping with Romans 6, where one must first die with Christ before being MADE ALIVE IN CHRIST, ala our resurrection life IN CHRIST. The Holy Spirit is not first resurrecting our sinful flesh to then be crucified with Christ . YIKES.

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I'm also not under the Law ven, but under Grace. The Law was done away IN CHRIST. Those IN CHRIST are under GRACE. Again you assault with heresy again, yet claim you are the all knowing guru here on line. You need to stop pulling up verses that don't apply to the BOC unless you now say you too are under the law and still a sinner. We,in God's eyes are SAINTS,and in Christ a NEW CREATURE, Where God no longer sees us after out sinful flesh, but IN CHRIST ONLY WHO IS NOT A SINNER. Wow the more you talk ven, the more you give away you know nothing about salvation by Grace except to say you got picked. YIKES. Totally shallow .

Know Each Other In Heaven
The Gospel,defined many times in scripture, an absolute definition is 1 Cor 15:1-4. 1 Cor 15 as we read further prove Adam did not exist before the foundation of the world. And believe me IF it were the main theme of the Gospel, we would see many scriptures stating we pre-existed. The Gospel is not about us, but Jesus Christ and HIS FINISHED WORKS ON THE CROSS. The whole Bible is about Jesus Christ. ALSO in the Doc The Gospel of America, by the way is presented by CALVINISTS , say anyone who makes scripture about THEM is a cult. And never once makes such a heretic statement of pre-existance. There is only ONE INCARNATE WHO PREEXISTED...JESUS CHRIST. We are not incarnates in any way shape or form, and scripture NEVER says we are. YIKES.

Can Angels Have God's Grace
Ven, I believe the problem here you can't see is even shown in your post to Samuel. No one is accountable to you for their beliefs that you feel superior to scrutinize and pass judgement on. You are not God. You see,that is where you come across as ride and overbearing. I found your challenge to Samuel obnoxious looking for a fight. Don't take the bate Samuel. It's one thing to debate beliefs and point out scripture to support or refute. It's quite another to tell someone to state what they believe so that YOU can decide if it's ok or not. You still haven't proven you pre_existed. So you first ven.

Know Each Other In Heaven
I don't object to anything in the Bible ven, I only object to your interpretation . Do you understand the difference. You see YOU ARE NOT GOD so objecting to YOU is not objecting to God. Get over yourself.

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Here's another that also exposes Cluny' s own alternate universe not grounded in the Word of God. Take your argument to God Cluny if you have a problem with HIS WORD.

1 John 2:19-21

19 They went out from us, but they were not of us, for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.

21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth. NO LIE IS OF GOD.

Is The Bible God's Words
David I find your question annoying simply because I gave scripture showing what it means to be set free from sin. Paul through the anointing and authority given him has told us how t be set free from sin. It's in ALL his epistles in some form or fashion.

So I feel it's arrogant of you to question Paul, or even question others who understand and have obeyed what God gave Paul to preach.

If you don't understand being set free, it's because YOU have chosen to take another way. I've already chosen what to obey and believe BY FAITH,taking God at His word, that dying with Christ is what set me free from the bondage of sin.

I follow,the WORD OF GOD and the Holy Spirit has verified and reiterated this again and again.

Is The Bible God's Words

Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Galatians 2:20-21 say we live by the faith of Christ who lives in me. (sic)

Here's the problem I've always has with David. Showing him these verses means nothing to him. Yet he believes his faith is in the Holy Spirit, yet no scripture ever says our faith is in the Holy Spirit.

David lives in his own reality and no amount of grounded scripture phases him.

David please again tell us what denomination you follow. Is it ONENESS Pentecostal? Or just the Gospel according to David?

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Also if God put Trump in ...why did Trump use Ukraine to try to cheat to win the next one. And trample down so many honorably people in its making. This is not how God works or wins elections YOU THINK God is involved in. YIKES. Just that alone should make any Christian cringe. It's disgusting, and actually goes against everything God stands for and had made known in His Word. Check out for starters the 7 sins GOD HATES.

GOD IS NOT TWO FACED...unregenerate apostate generic Christians are. WHY? Because THE MYSTERY according to Godliness 1 Timothy 3:16 is not IN YOU.

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Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

Please note this verse...
1 Peter 1:10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:

Some say many were saved by grace in the OT, however 1Peter 1:10 shows NT GRACE ...if it was prophecied to come UNTO THEM note verse 12 too.

which 1Peter 1:3-5 showing it is centered around the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

1Peter 1 is an AWESOME read to the BOC the CHURCH.

Yoke Of Bondage
James never says salvation requires work. James is not talking about salvation but our Paul says to those in Galatia who were already saved....HAVING BEGIN UN THE SPIRIT ARE YOU NOW BEING MADE PERFECT BY THE FLESH....You have fallen from Grace.

If they had only BEGUN in the spirit, wouldn't it suggest we CONTINUE in the Spirit? And they didn't! They went back after and went under the Law..falling from Grace. We don't CONTINUE in hopes of being saved, but continue as Paul states in Philippians 3...I PRESS ON.

Please folks don't sit on your duffs and think you take no part in your WALKING BY FAITH DAILY.

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