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Finish It Here July 27 2021
  
It's more then that Strongaxe. Trav claims nations tongues Gentiles etc are Israel or Nth House or Jews and ONLY they are saved and no one else .

I don't know how this can be a firm foundation either.


Finish It Here July 27 2021
  
Is Trav claiming to be Jesus speaking to all here in parables? It sure sounds like it.

All of us are bringing 2 or more scriptures to show Trav is wrong in many places. He answers back in nonsense, not parables.

Trav need to bring 2 or more scriptures stating the 10 virgins are the 10 tribes. He didn't... Was called out on it, now wants to squirm out if it. Such silly games.

David made a great point.


Finish It Here July 27 2021
  
Ruben, where do you think it is? I've shown we are tried by fire here and now, for one, and showed scripture to support. I think God is able to handle things however He chooses. What we do know is scripture shows salvation is one thing, works are another. Some might be saved only by the skin of their teeth. We see through scripture crowns given as rewards. The crown of this or that. Paul stated... I have finished my course, and there is now laid up for me the crown of Righteousness 2 Timothy 4:7. But we know Paul was already saved before going to preach the gospel. So he isn't saying he had to earn salvation.


Also 2 Timothy 4 verse 1 says He will judge at His Appearing. Other places say His reward is with Him ...


Finish It Here July 27 2021
  
I believe the I NEVER KNEW YOU is paralleled with Matthew 7:21-23. Many play church and are religious but not saved. Whether this applies to the Church or end times entering into the earthly kingdom, doesn't matter because of Israel only a remnant will be saved, and only those IN CHRIST will be saved.

Oil also represents LIGHT. Oil for lamps would be for light not to be confused with anointing oil which represents the Holy Spirit.


Most Important Book In NT
  
I find the book of Hebrews to be one that stands out. It starts with the deity of Christ. Each chapter builds upon the foundation of Jesus Christ. It bridges the OT with the new, showing SALVATION IS OF THE JEWS, as Jesus said. Not FOR the Jews, but OF the Jews religion. All OT was a picture of Christ...pointing to Jesus Christ. Hebrews exposes cults like no other. I was so drawn to Chapter 10, I've read over and over so many times and each time a layer is pealed back of the depth of Gods awesome plan of salvation. The NEW AND LIVING WAY THROUGH THE VEIL, THAT IS TO SAY HIS FLESH is the Gospel. Hebrews 11 go in depth of FAITH.

I'd say it covers all one needs to understand the Gospel. It is so JESUS CENTERED..I love it.


Finish It Here July 27 2021
  
The difference between Israel and the Church is Israel is SERVANTHOOD, and the Church are SONS OF GOD RE HIS CHILDREN and no longer servants. Jesus clearly said no longer servants but sons.

The church has a higher calling than earthly Israel. This mystery is something those who don't believe in the distinct difference between these entirely different entities will never understand.

The Church is not divided into TRIBES. We are HIS BODY and not divided in any way shape or form WE ARE ONE...John 17.

Let Trav preach to earthly Israel, and let the rest preach the Gospel to all else, we choose to become sons.

Also those IN CHRIST already have the Holy Spirit so would not have to go buy oil from anywhere.


Finish It Here July 27 2021
  

1 John 1:7
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

So verse 7 comes before verse 9 and somehow David thinks this is a DIFFERENT CLEANSING?

I also believe SURRENDER, SUBMIT, YIELD are clearly in scripture as TO CHRISTIANS ONLY re Romans 6.

So now we are able to drill down even deeper David's doctrine. It appears he does not believe in the blood of the everlasting covenant either. Hebrews 13:20-21.

I do David. And I'm very HAPPY IN THE LORD. ALL HIS PROMISES ARE YES AND AMEN. PRAISE GOD.


Finish It Here July 27 2021
  
Yes love 2 Cor 7:1. Those IN CHRIST Paul is talking to. So seeing we are told we are no longer of this world , then we must obey this. We must also separate ourselves from false teachers. From being unequally yoked with unbelievers who are still in this world. Yes, these things we are to obey.

We will get our feet dirty walking in this world. James also addresses bickering etc. Friendship with the world , jealousy etc.

But the CLEANSING is done by the BLOOD OF JESUS as we submit to Him.


Finish It Here July 27 2021
  
Ruben, no scripture says our works are being purified so that we shall be saved .We're saved the very moment we believe in Jesus . Believe here is more than just head knowledge. So Romans 10:9-10 tell us what we are to believe in. And James says Faith without works is dead, so works, those Jesus has before ordained we walk in Eph 2 , are to those ONLY who are saved and IN CHRIST.

You believe you have to earn your salvation as does David. I don't. Scripture says we are COMPLETE IN HIM,Colossians 2:10 AND we have been sanctified ONCE AND FOR ALL THROUGH THE BODY OF CHRIST Hebrews 10.

Our works are judged at the Judgement seat of Christ, for believers only, not the great white throne judgement. Two entirely different judgements.


Finish It Here July 27 2021
  
1 Corinthians 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise, and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty,

28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:

29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.

30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.


Finish It Here July 27 2021
  
NOW David thinks he can cleanse himself too??????? Please show examples of those who first cleansed themselves and how exactly they did that according to scripture with scriptural back up. Are you also saying you can sanctify yourself too?

The New Covenant promises God saying "I WILL CLEANSE YOU" ETC. You may want to read Ezekiel 36 and Jeremiah 33 .

Or are you saying YOU don't believe in the New Covenant and those promises? And Funny, Trav doesn't have an issue with that? Or is he not calling you out because those promises are to Israel only and all else are not under and have to save, sanctify and glorify themselves the best they can?

You would have been better off just saying nothing David.


Finish It Here July 27 2021
  
I believe the moment we are saved and in Christ we are CLEAN. The blood of Jesus is that cleansing ... Washed in the blood.

Rewards are different. Many will be saved, but poor, having nothing to show for their lives.

Store up for yourselves riches in heaven. What we sacrifice here will be rewarded in heaven as well.

I believe the issue many RCC have is their belief in pergatory. Firstly we are baptized with fire here and now. That fire is what purifies us as gold is purified.


Finish It Here July 27 2021
  
Ruben, I believe our faith here and now IS tried by fire, just as 1 Peter 1:7 state. And it appears Rev 3:18 support this as well. All Christians WILL be tested. And it's through thus testing we grow and mature in Christ.

1 Peter 1:7
That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ.

Rev 3: 18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich, and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear, and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.


Who Are The Children Of Promise
  
We're given rewards for our works. Some will receive greater rewards than others. Only those done IN CHRIST WILL BE REWARDED. EPHESIANS 2:10. Selfrighteous self effort works will be burned up.


1 Cor 3:11-15 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble, Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire, and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire.


Who Are The Children Of Promise
  
Now I understand where he comes up with the false accusations he extrapolated out of my posts. I guess that's a clever way one thinks they can manipulate another. The YES OR NO only demand or saying "anything else is of the devil", is also manipulation.

We simply put out the truth of scripture and one can believe or not. When others try to force their beliefs on you, RUN. FAITH is something beyond human reasoning. Example. No one can possibly reason parting the Red Sea. Moses simply put his faith in God that God would do what He promised. If Moses tried to reason it out there would be no living Jews today.

If you don't Believe in Gods promises that's on you. Not all men have FAITH.


Who Are The Children Of Promise
  
James 2:20, 26 makes clear that good works are a result of salvation not its cause. So good works are the fruit of salvation, not the root of salvation. This is Romans 7, God wants FRUIT out of a saved life. Some will bring forth 30% some 70% some 100 % . So we're not saved by our fruit. But fruit comes from those who's branches are attached to the vine. Jesus is the vine..the life force.

Hebrews 9:17 is also an awesome verse. Through the blood of Jesus our conscience has been purged from dead works to serve the living God. So DEAD WORKS must be all works apart from CHRIST IN YOU. And those who the Blood of Jesus has purged and cleansed ARE SAVED NOW. God has saved us so HIS GLORY CAN BE SEEN IN US.


Who Are The Children Of Promise
  
Jesus frees us from sin. Our death with Jesus is what frees the old man from sin. The verse says that THOSE ALIVE FROM THE DEAD surrender their RISEN WITH CHRIST MEMBERS to righteousness.

It's what DAVID LEAVES OUT that is what is glaring heresy.vs 17 BUT GOD BE THANKED...
Verse 18. Being then made FREE FRIM SIN. YE BECAME THE SERVANTS Of RIGHTEOUSNESS.

Ye became means it happened.
It's all included in the Promised we see CLEARLY in Hebrews 13:20-21. God working in us to will and do of his good pleasure.

God has it all covered David. GOD BE THANKED. We can see clearly what Paul teaches. It is not what you teach. We don't need your commentary. We only need the Holy Spirit to teach this truth.



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