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The Calvinist System
  
Scripture shows that God revealed the Gospel according to the MYSTERY to Paul, where Jew and Gentile are ONE NEW MAN---kathr4453

Kathrine
There is a definitive separation between Jew and Gentile shown in scripture. So I dont believe we are one with Israel....Not that it really matters to me. Just to bask in the light of God, eternally, is good enough for me.

The greatest example of this separation is the 144,000, who will be saved, from the twelve tribes of Israel. Gods promise to Abraham.


The Calvinist System
  
Below is what the Lord said to Ananias about Saul. Note he was also sent to bear the Lords name, to Israel.

But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way, for he is a chosen vessel unto Me, to bear My name before the Gentiles and kings and the children of Israel. (Acts 9:15)

I never meant there were no Christian Jews before Paul, there just werent very many before Pauls conversion. 3000 isnt that many when you look at the nation of Israel as a whole.

The teaching I give, gives a plausible reason Jesus chose Paul, a Pharisee. What plausible reason can you give?


The Calvinist System
  
I've never heard of your definition of the garment and winecloth parable.---kathr4453

Kathrine
Please Notice the question Johns disciples asked Jesus, the question which prompted Jesus to give the answer through this parable.

Then the disciples of John came to Him, saying, Why do we and the Phariseesfast often, but Thy disciples fast not? (Matthew 9:14)

The Pharisees were the Old Covenant teachers, the Lords disciples were the New Covenant teachers. Jesus addressed both in the parable, as both were addressed in their question.

The old wine skins represent the Pharisees, the New wineskins represents the Lords disciples. The Wine in the New Wine skins, represents the New Covenant.


The Calvinist System
  
Kathrine
You misunderstand me.
In The first part of the parable, the Old Garment represents Gods promise to Abraham. The promise was still good, but because God changed the Law, it left the Garment/Promise in need of repair. It needed repair, because God could not keep his promise,.... if the Jews did not believe Jesus was their Christ.

You cannot repair an old garment with a New Patch, but you can, repair a Old garment with an Old Patch. The Patch, represents a teacher. Jesus chose Paul, a teacher which came from the Old Garment, to repair the Promise God made to Abraham.

The Jews did not accept Jesus as their Christ, until after Pauls conversion. Convert the teachers...and the sheep will follow.


The Calvinist System
  
David, the law did not annul the promises made to Abraham.
---kathr4454


Kathrine
Again I agree, the 144,000 in Revelation is proof God has not forgotten his promise to Abraham.

Many miss the thing, which for me, is most amazing about Paul. We all know Paul was instrumental in giving the Gentiles, Gods invitation to the wedding. But most dont see, he was also the old patch, which Jesus used to repair the old garment.

No man putteth a piece of new cloth upon an old garment, for that which is put in to fill it up taketh from the garment, and the rent is made worse.(Matthew 9:16)

How do you repair an old garment?You must use a patch, a patch which comes from the old garment.


The Calvinist System
  
Kathrine
I agree, Matthew is a prophetic book and is directed at the Jews.

I see the first four books of the New Testament as a New Covenant, a covenant Jesus offered to the Jews. This covenant, essentially was to make Jesus, Lord. The majority of the Jews rejected Jesus, thereby rejecting Gods offer of Eternal Life.

Because of this rejection, this covenant was then offered to the Gentile believer. Unfortunately, The Jews who accepted this New Covenant, could not accept the Gentile believer, and couldnt let go of the Old Covenant God made with Moses.

Because of this, Jesus chose Saul/Paul a respected teacher from among their own ranks, to bring acceptance to the Gentile believers.


The Calvinist System
  
Why do you reject Gods commission to Paul to you?---kathr4453

I dont reject Paul, I just see him in a different light than you. I believe God sent Jesus with the New Covenant, and you believe Christ sent it through Paul. I see Pauls teachings establishing the Gospel of Christ.

I think I now understand your view of the books, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Please Correct me if I am wrong.

Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, were written for the Jews. But since they rejected Jesus as their savior, Jesus created another Covenant, a Covenant designed for the Gentiles. True?


The Calvinist System
  
David, why do you reject the Gospel? ---kathr4453

Kathrine
You quoted Paul as your proof of this. I am curious to know, why? In (2 Thessalonians 1:6-9), as you well know, Paul says we will be judged according to the Gospel of Christ.

The first four books of the New Testament, I call them the Gospel of Christ. What do you call them?



The Calvinist System
  
Kathrine
I define a false doctrine as a doctrine which is not supported in the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and one which opposes the teachings of Jesus Christ.

If you agree with this, it would help Ven, if you could show where his doctrine opposes what Christ taught. I would show him, but in all honesty, I do not know his doctrine of as well as you. Educational for me as well.

For example, many Protestant doctrines teach the opposite of what Christ taught in (John 8:34), claiming those who sin are not slaves of sin.


The Calvinist System
  
There are an innumerable supply of salvation doctrines from which to choose from, and yet only one way.
Jesus said only a few find it, I believe in the light of this fact.....many people should be concerned.


Who Are You Voting For
  
Kathrine
Thank you for that. I have always wondered how God fearing people could justify buying and selling humans as if they were livestock.


Who Are You Voting For
  
I think we realize now how wrong we were to have tried to strip Native Americans of their heritage, forcing them not to speak or enjoy their customs by punishing them.---kathr4453

Another good example. My parents adopted two little Indian girls as infants. Both raised in a loving home, a home where no one drank alcohol, and both turned into alcoholics. My little sister died from alcoholism a year ago.

People dont understand what it is like for them to be depicted in movies, as savages. But at least the Indians have their ancestry, a heritage. Folks without a heritage, those who came from slaves, they create one. And for some, they have become a Hollywood depiction.


Who Are You Voting For
  
It is funny how we tend to judge folks as strange, just because they dont act and think as we do. Racism is built on this fact.

Many people have a problem with blacks referring to themselves as African Americans. I embrace it, because in it, they have developed a culture of their own, a culture, of which they were stripped when they came to America.

Not until we learn to embrace them as African Americans, having their own heritage, their very own culture, will the anger they feel towards America subside. We must identify the problem before we can find a solution. And I believe, this is the problem.


Who Are You Voting For
  
There are documented cases of police committing acts of vandalism and violence just to frame BLM.
---StrongAxe


StrongAxe
You say documented. Is there actually video of the police starting all these fires?


Who Are You Voting For
  
He encourages mob mentality.---StrongAxe

StrongAxe
He does, but he does it a little bit differently than the way its usually done. Usually someone from within, a like minded Group, which turns into a Mob, provides the motivation for the Mob mentality.

But in the case of Trump, he provides the motivation for like minded groups, who oppose him, to become the Mob.

BLM are not Trump supporters, and yet he has caused them to act like criminals. Their plight was honorable, but when Trump causes them to act like a Mob, their actions become dishonorable.
Result?
Even those who once saw their plight as honorable, turn against them.


Who Are You Voting For
  
StrongAxe
Spiritually speaking, God wants us to love one another, and Satan wants us to hate each other. Hate is important to Satan, because it separates us from God.

Hate is an ember that burns in the heart of man. And nothing creates hatred like having a Mob mentality, which is what happens when we allow Satan to divide us.

God wants us to see everyone as a Brother or as a Sister. To create division, Satan wants us to see ourselves in a perspective Group/Mobs. We are either Black or White, Republican or Democrat, Protestant or Catholic, American or Russian....etc...etc...etc...

There will be no...But..But..when we stand before God.


Take COVID-19 Vaccination Today
  
I dont generally watch the news, but I made an exception recently to listen in.
If I had not done my own research, I would have come away panic stricken.They make it sound like the virus is getting stronger...not weaker.

Here is some hope for you folks who are afraid of getting this virus. When you look at the statistics, you can see the virus plateaued between April and May, and we are no where near that now. Meaning the virus is getting weaker. Which means...if you get it now, it will be like getting a vaccination.

Now some of you will say thats foolishness. I remind you, the best doctors in the world said the same thing about Louis Pasteur, the man who created the vaccination.


Who Are You Voting For
  
I'm not perfect, but I don't BOAST that lying, cheating, stealing, and adultery are good things - which Trump does.---StrongAxe

StrongAxe
Though many people may not acknowledge it, God will chasten a Christian, when they Judge. You are a sinner too, and as a sinner, couldnt people could make the same claim about you?
Just saying, God does...and he takes a dim view of those who judge.

Been there, done that, and roundly punished.....every time.


People Reject God
  
Jesus Christ is the Author of Salvation, not Paul. The Gospel of Jesus Christ is found in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. So why, when you say something is in the Gospel, quote Paul?

Jesus is master...Paul is his servant.


Who Are You Voting For
  
Instead of following Jesus and the Ten Commandments, Trump BOASTS of adultery, theft, and vengeance, and lied 20,000+ times since inauguration alone.
---StrongAxe


StrongAxe
Are you following Jesus? Dont go there brother.

Judge not, and ye shall not be judged. Condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned. Forgive, and ye shall be forgiven. Give, and it shall be given unto you: good measure, pressed down and shaken together and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete, therewith it shall be measured to you again.
(Luke 6:37-38)



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