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Should Churches Pay Taxes
ven, if you were a serious bible student, you would know the ONLY CHOSEN ONE IS JESUS CHRIST. So now REREAD the verse.. It doesn't say we were chosen, it says WE WERE CHOSEN "IN HIM". You see, the Church are those IN CHRIST....CHRIST IN YOU....Paul clearly shows is the Mystery hidden but now revealed. Colossians 1:24-27....

We are chosen to be IN CHRIST and to be GLORIFIED TOGETHER WITH HIM. That was never promised to Earthly Israel. They will SEE the Glory of the Lord...WE GET TO SHARE IN HIS GLORY...John 17, COL 1:24-27 ....

So stop saying we were chosen before the foundation....

And Chosen does not mean you have no free will. Every one who is saved putting their faith in Christ IS CALLED THE CHOSEN.

Was Peter Saved Early
John 10:28 Jesus is talking about His Disciples, the 12 God gave Him out of Israel, those already Gods CHOSEN ELECT PEOPLE.

Jesus also states in John 6 all but one, who was Judas who betrayed Jesus so that the scriptures were fulfilled, again talking exclusively there about His Apostles/ disciples...the 12 exclusively out of Israel.

So we see Peter was absolutely saved, seeing he was not the one ...Judas ....who betrayed Jesus

But this has nothing to do with any Gentiles . If God were making a Calvinistic point, one or several of the 12 would be Gentiles.

However OSAS is based on faith in Jesus Christ and Gods SOVEREIGN PROMISES to those who put their faith in Jesus Christ.

Should Churches Pay Taxes
Ven again when Paul states in scripture re the cross, he in no way is suggesting we are worshipping wood. The problem is you don't understand what Paul is saying. I only post those verses Paul wrote. And I happen to understand what Paul is saying. To accuse someone of something they NEVER SAID OR INSINUATED is bearing false witness against someone. It's twisting to put someone down or ridicule. What crooked politicians do every day. So you here again make again a false accusation. Ven, I feel your doing this out of your own ignorance , and accusing Paul is to accuse God who wrote through Paul. Just because you are ignorant of this, does not excuse, because I have explained this to you more than once yet you still falsely accuse.

The Calvinist System
The Lord also appears in several different forms in the OT. EXODUS 13 "a pillar of cloud" to guide them. A ROCK, the LIVING WATERS, going through the wildreness, and a burning bush. So if the Lord took on many different forms to communicate with certain people , who's to say He didn't take on the form of a horse. That doesn't mean Jesus is a horse , or a literal rock, or literal cloud, or is every burning bush we see today . Those angels who came to Lot took on the appearance of men, but did not remain in that form making them men. They are angels ..ministering spirits .

Are Democrats Terrorists
Jesus was crucified for telling THE TRUTH. It's funny TRUTH has a horrible affect on the demonic evil in this world. You see how bringing up TRUE FACTS about anything lately brings this demonic behavior out of those demon possessed. They are in darkness and can't stand any LIGHT OF TRUTH shining in on them. Just look at yesterday. The NRA CEO squandered all those donations of folks on himself and lavish gifts and vacations. Rather than Trump either saying NOTHING or being appalled , he goes after the NY AG. ..and then recommends they move their offices to Texas. So is that saying the TX AG is bought and paid for too by Trump? Corruption IS SIN. Trump encourages SIN. and punishes anyone exposing SIN....only the devil would do that ....

Different Denominations Marry
I don't believe God who is Spirit , as the Word and Holy Spirit included were gender specific. I know scripture refers to God as Father He, etc, but ADAM was the first MAN created 6000 years ago. Jesus was made in the likeness of man. Not vice versa.

Philippians 2:5-7

5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

The Calvinist System
David, no no a thousand times no. That is not how I see the 4 Gospels.

Matthew is written to the Jews and is yet FUTURE. it pertains to the 1000 year reign, and a time we see stated in Revelations yet future. This time was also prophecied in the OT, and is not done away ...not until it...MATTHEW 5:18.

The OT prophecied of Jesus. He would be born of a virgin...Isaiah 7:14....Matt 1:18, Luke 1:27 CHECK

Suffer and die for our sin. Isaiah 53, Psalms 22:1, Matt 27:46, Mark 15:36 CHECK

Abraham rejoiced to see my day...

More later

The Calvinist System
First ven totally blows what The Augustinian system of Calvinism is, by saying there is no such thing...WRONG, and then insists the message of the Cross is a piece of wood, WRONG AGAIN, , then we have pre-existing whatever's, and then Isaac's Children, WHAT COULD BE NEXT. He also thinks Black Lives Matters means ONLY Black lives Matter.

Something is seriously wrong here. The Augustinian one was a whopper of ignorance, seeing ven is REFORMED, or so he says. The most ignorant REFORMED to date.

Ya know ven, scripture says 1)if you want to look wise, keep your mouth shut. 2) If you want to BE WISE, research things before opening your mouth. 3)If you want WISDOM, that can only be found IN CHRIST JESUS. You failed all three.

The Calvinist System
David, why do you reject the Gospel?

Romans 5:16
And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

Romans 6:7
For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Romans 6:18
Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

Romans 6:20
For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.

Romans 6:22
But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

Romans 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Different Denominations Marry
God also knew there would be His Chosen People ISRAEL the EARTHLY DESCENDENTS of Jacob, where God renamed JACOB Israel. But did Jews and Gentile spirit babies also preexist? God said of Israel, the nation, YOU ONLY HAVE I KNOWN OF ALL THE FAMILIES OF THE EARTH. So as I asked ven before, was he a Jew spirit baby or Gentile spirit baby?

Also notice in the Ephesians ven posted. Vs 4, Q: we're we already HOLY AND BLAMELESS "IN HIM," meaning IN CHRIST, already adopted as SONS BY JESUS CHRIST TO HIMSELF before the foundation of the world? So are you saying Jesus the MAN CHRIST JESUS pre-existed too.....ALSO A MORMON BELIEF.

Different Denominations Marry
Origin was a believer in free will, and he adamantly rejected the Valentinian idea of election. Furthermore, in his interpretation of the story of Jacob and Esau, Origen argues that the condition into which a person is born is actually dependent upon what their souls did in this pre-existent state. According to Origen, the superficial unfairness of a person's condition at birthwith some humans being poor, others rich, some being sick, and others healthyis actually a by-product of what the person's soul had done in the pre-existent state.

Total heresy. Is this where ven gets preexistance? Origen's dictrine on preexistance was condemned.

Different Denominations Marry
This says it all.

The teaching of preexistence (also called premortality) says that prior to their birth into mortality, all people were begotten spirit children of God and lived with him (Robert L. Millet et al. LDS Beliefs: A Doctrinal Reference (Salt Lake City: Deseret Books Co., 2011), p. 498). In fact, the Ensign magazine reports that of all the major Christian churches, only The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints teaches that the human race lived in a premortal existence with God the Father and His Son, Jesus Christ (Ensign, February 2006, p. 30).

Different Denominations Marry
Baylor University had Mormon's on their staff teaching at this Baptist CHRISTIAN college. A Baptist minister left and is now Mormon.

Ravi Zacharias , came under much controversy in 2004 when he went out to The Mormon Temple in Salt Lake City and basically said there was no difference between Mormonism and Christians, AND WAS OUTRAGED WHEN CHRISTIANS CANE ALONG TO SHARE THE GOSPEL. So we have been seeing this unholy union creeping into the Church for years. I was in a Baptist Church at one time in my life where the Pastor said we should be more like Mormons and couldn't say enough good about them. This gives baby Christians a mixed message. So it's fair to say MORMONISM is creeping into our churches.

People Reject God
The teaching of preexistence (also called premortality) says that prior to their birth into mortality, all people were begotten spirit children of God and lived with him (Robert L. Millet et al. LDS Beliefs: A Doctrinal Reference (Salt Lake City: Deseret Books Co., 2011), p. 498). In fact, the Ensign magazine reports that of all the major Christian churches, only The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints teaches that the human race lived in a premortal existence with God the Father and His Son, Jesus Christ (Ensign, February 2006, p. 30).

So what say you NurseRobert?

Different Denominations Marry
Romans 4:16Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace, to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed, not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all,17, as it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations, before him whom he believed, even God who giveth life to the dead, and calleth those things which are not as though they were,18, who against hope, believed in hope that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, SO SHALL THY SEED BE.

Satan has blinded ven's eyes/mind to not understand these verses. He will post the same verse that does NOT say Isaac is our father or we are Isaac's spiritual children .

Different Denominations Marry
I just called an acquaintance who is a Reformed Preacher for years and years, said ven is confused. He said he never heard of us being Isaac's spiritual children. We are BY FAITH ABRAHAMS SPIRITUAL CHILDREN, even those who came from Ishmaels earthly lineage BY FAITH in Jesus Christ are also Abrahams SPIRITUAL CHILDREN. Romans and the Gospels and Galatians make this clear. As far as preexisting, again he believes because God knows beginning to end just as God KNOWS how things end doesn't mean they preexisted in order to end. Same with us. God knows who WILL BE written in the lambs book of life and names are added daily.

It was a great talk.

People Reject God
Ven the passage IS NOT talking about salvation. The chapter itself is not talking about our initial salvation but our WALK as believers as I pointed out other verses Paul uses the word AWAKE.

And you are arrogant to accuse me of not believing because I disagree with your interpretation of scripture. I BELIEVE JUST FINE of what and how Jesus has taught me HIS WORD. The Holy Spirit does not lead you to Calvin Reformed books. HE ENLIGHTENS THE WORD OF GOD PERIOD.

You believe the wisdom of men over God. So don't accuse or lecture me about my faith. You are considered a pudknocker. All talk no depth or personal experience. If it takes two posts and 3 scriptures to get things correct who are you to complain?

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Colossians 3:12 Paul writing to the Colossians already saved about Christian living. Peter however in 2 Peter 3 is a warning about the second coming of Christ and the wrath that is to come, and WHY the Lord is long-suffering not WILLING any should perish but that all SHOULD come to repentance. If ven doctrine was correct it would say ALL "WILL" COME TO REPENTANCE.

You "Should" tie your shoe, as it is dangerous to walk around in untied shoes, doesn't mean all with shoes WILL .

The very small words ven doesn't grasp make a world of difference in the meaning of verses. Maybe that's why those who don't understand English are easily duped into Calvinism.

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