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Jews Under The Old Covenant
But let's FIRST SEE what has to happen before Zechariah 13:7-9

IN THAT DAY ( future) there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness. 2 And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord of hosts, that I will cut off the names of the idols out of the land, .....keep reading 3 keep reading ....4 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the prophets shall be ashamed every one of his visions...5.....keep reading 6 And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.

This is at Jesus second coming....and they will have to repent they CRUCIFIED THE LORD.

Christians Sell Cigarettes
David doesn't understand under the law, having to sacrifice bulls and goats daily for sin, Israel was actually servants of sin. The pharisees became so comfortable in the law that was put there to exposed sin, that they actually became twisted in it's application condemning everyone but themselves. The Law was implemented as a picture of Christ... The LAMB OF GOD WHO TAKES AWAY THE SIN OF THE WORLD. They rejected Jesus just as David has, and THAT IS what ALL John 8 is about.... For those who don't cherry pick verses out of context. The chapter IS ABOUT JESUS CHRIST, not sinless perfection. If you stay IN THE WHOLE WORD OF GOD, THE WHOLE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE.
Verse 36 AGAIN ....Jesus sets us free from sin, not us or the Holy Spirit.

Christians Sell Cigarettes
David, Isn't repentance and being baptized saving yourself? .....

You have not proved you receive the Holy Spirit apart from salvation. There are no scriptures supporting your theory.

However Titus 3:5 totally contradict your theory.


So let me thank you for exposing your false doctrine here on line. And for showing you cannot call Jesus Christ LORD GOD ALMIGHTY ...proving you actually do not have the Holy Spirit. 1 Cor 12:3. For showing us you scoff at salvation BY FAITH...Roman's 14:23 seeing you have no faith.....YOU PRACTICE SIN DAILY.

Christians Sell Cigarettes
1 Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness, but unto us which ARE SAVED it is the power of God.

Those who are perishing are not:
1) sinless. for one.


For Christ to be IN YOU, and YOU IN HIM, we are told this happens when we put our faith in Jesus Christ and when this happens God IMMEDIATELY baptizes us into Jesus death....and then we are RAISED UP TOGETHER WITH HIM, A NEW CREATURE. ONLY THE NEW CREATURE IS SINLESS and will one day be free from our fleshly bodies of sin.

Do Unsaved Live Forever
Here is a picture of Heaven RIGHT NOW AS WE SPEAK. It appears not only God and Jesus and Angels are there, but the spirits of just men made perfect. They were made PERFECT when Jesus rose from the dead. AND THE CHURCH OF THE FIRST BORN.

Hebrews 12:22 But ye are come to MT SION ( aka heaven) and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, 23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

Jews Under The Old Covenant
Zechariah 13:7-9
Trav isn't telling THE WHOLE TRUTH. This has to happen FIRST.

Zechariah 13: 7 Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the Lord of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.

8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die, but the third shall be left therein.

9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.

Christians Sell Cigarettes
David, Strongaxe never said he was sinless or believed in sinless perfection. I don't believe Trav has stated he is sinless nor anyone else online here except ELOY, who was finally kicked off ... So why are you forcing an issue he disagrees with you on and has told you Right here on this thread. Not exercising FAITH is sin.

You keep saying Jesus is a master teacher, but you have never acknowledged Him as LORD GOD AND SAVIOR.

ARE YOU SAVED? LETS TURN THIS AROUND. IS DAVID SAVED WHO DENIES CHRIST ALONE PUTS AWAY SIN. David says he can do it without Jesus. Remember The Holy Spirit didn't go to the Cross for your sin David...JESUS DID.


Listening To Vulgar Music
At 18, he'll find ways to listen to it without your approval. All you can do is let him know that the Bible says we are to fill our mind with things above and not below. Colossians 3:2. They are not a Christian group. They may say they are to deceive young people, but it's not Christian according to Christian in the Bible.

Just pray for him. I understand your concern.

Do Unsaved Live Forever
Here's a death we experience now, YET WE LIVE and will never face the second death.

ROMANS6: 6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.7 For he that is dead is freed from sin. ( this has nothing to do with a physical death)

8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more, death hath no more dominion over him.(OR THOSE IN CHRIST) 10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. 11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Christians Sell Cigarettes
David you have an unhealthy obsession about me. Nearly all your posts over the last couple years have been either about me or to me. You want to play God in my life and life of faith without invitation. You intrude where you are not wanted. I told you I do not believe in your doctrine. You take scripture out of context to FORCE on others.

Scripture does not teach your doctrine. We are saved BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH the very moment we put our faith in Christ just as Peter testifies of Cornelius and family.

Your obsessive hate David is not healthy but a sign of possible mental issues. Now you try to invite others to join your hate. THAT'S SIN.


Who Are The Masons
Trav, Jesus rebuked the unbelieving Jews in John 8, Paul in Romans 10.... Over 70 years after Pentecost. However Paul does go on to say that ONE DAY, AFTER the fullness of the Gentiles have come in God will then turn to BLINDED ISRAEL. That is Romans 11. And I have never omitted Romans 11. You however have taken 11 out of context and YOU have omitted chapter 10.

I believe the whole word of God. You however cherry pick. God has everything in HIS PERFECT TIMING. Don't rush God's timing Trav. TODAY IS THE DAY IF SALVATION. Not tomorrow. Jews today need to believe the Gospel of their salvation IN JESUS CHRIST ALONE. You see, all those prophecies are ABOUT JESUS TOO. There is no salvation apart from Jesus Christ. PERIOD.

Jews Under The Old Covenant
Trav, the way you toss around characters in scripture to assault others is so immature it's not funny. Not only that, but you babble on and on and say nothing. Balaam was a hirling prophet who refused to lie. He could not curse Israel, but Instead he put a stumbling block in Israel's way, and Israel fell into it....sinned and disobeyed God.

You throw out this and that without even understanding what it's meaning is....making you look DAFT in understanding scripture.

No one here is putting a stumbling block in Israel's way BUT YOU, BY LYING AND TELLING JEWS THEY DONT NEED JESUS FOR SALVATION. YOU ARE BALAAM TRAV. So stop projecting your own guilt here onto others.

Do Unsaved Live Forever
Jerry, Humans are born as we live and breath ARE DEAD IN TRESSPASSES AND SIN.

We, those IN CHRIST will not face a second death because we chose our second death in our identification with Jesus in death and resurrection life.

Colossians 3:1-4 clearly say WE AS WE SPEAK ARE DEAD ...and our life is hidden in God with Christ.

Romans 6 speaks of death as well....a death where we are still living and breathing.

Then there is deceased...meaning our physical body , not our soul, ceases to exist.

God created Angels with a spirit that cannot die, and man after His image with a SOUL that cannot become deceased.

Jesus soul did not become extinguished upon His crucifixion . So why do you think ours does?

Christians Sell Cigarettes
David throws around John 8:34-35 but PURPOSELY OMITS VERSE 36.

If the son therefore shall make you free ye shall be free indeed.

Thank you Jesus for setting me FREE from the penalty of sin and death. Thank you for dying for my sin,. Thank you Jesus for saving me and giving me the Holy Spirit where I can now walk in the Spirit and not the flesh. Thank you Jesus for raising me up with you, a new creature AKA BORN AGAIN......BY GRACE I HAVE BEEN SAVED. THROUGH FAITH, not of works.

Every Pharisee from the beginning of time HATE THOSE SAVED BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH. The scriptures are steeped with such Pharisees, who Crucified the Lord,and tried to have Paul killed daily. These folks will always be around.

Who Are The Masons
David , like you likes to cherry pick scripture re: John 8:34-35, but failed to read the whole chapter. Especially verse 36....Jesus taking to Jews. Jews who scoffed at Him and crucified Him. The chapter is eye opening for those snared in Cults, as you both are. What you both have in common is your rejection of Jesus Christ, just like those described in John 8. If they truly were Abrahams seed they would have and should have known Jesus WHO ALONE SETS US FREE was promised under the Abrahamic Covenant. The further promise of the Messiah who would come to set us free from sin and death. David doesn't get it, and neither do you. Let the Jews listen to Jesus in John 8 and not you Trav. That STILL APPLIES TODAY.

Christians Sell Cigarettes
Your Snarky answers David IS SIN. It reeks of a self-righteous attitude towards others. Judging others is sin, as we are told not to judge. You decide who is and isn't saved, SIN, because you exalt yourself above measure. All this arrogance and pride coming from you IS SIN. I have asked time and again for your apology on issues you falsely accused...never got one....Jesus says if you've offended another, you need to go to them and make it right. Your disobedience IS SIN. Your pride IS SIN.

You are a slave of sin David.

No scripture states we must accomplish sinless perfection before we can be saved. Jesus died for our sin. SIN IS FORGIVEN AND PUT AWAY IN CHRIST ALONE. A doctrine you deny.

Who Are The Masons

Now you stated the majority of Jews don't believe in Jesus. So how do you presume they are saved? Those up to today who have rejected Jesus Christ and have died have no second chances. It's appointed once to die and then the judgement.

By not telling the truth THE WHOLE TRUTH ! you are misleading Jews to believe they are saved today without having to believe in Jesus. That dictrine is Straight from hell. ONE DAY, AFTER GOD DEALS WITH ISRAELS DISOBEDIENCE Israel will be saved. But until then..,,you are leading multitudes to hell by your doctrine..

Jews Under The Old Covenant
OH my gosh, stating a fact as Paul did so clearly in Romans 10 is not being a Baalam. Talk about twisting scripture beyond words. Paul clearly shows in Romans 10 that Israel MISSED THE MARK...trying to establish their own righteousness but not according to Gods righteousness that is IN CHRIST ALONE. Something even David can't grasp.

You both reject Jesus Christ and the preaching of the Cross. It's obviously foolishness to you.....and God has something to say about those who find the preaching of the Cross foolishness. And you want to call those who preach the Cross Baalam? That's beyond evil.

Do Unsaved Live Forever
The ungodly shall stand in the final judgement as Rev clearly states and face A SECOND DEATH.

God judged Adam and Eve when they sinned, however God also covered them, ( animal skins ) representing the same covering SEE HEBREWS 10, until Jesus death and resurrection which did more than just cover year after year. Adam and Eve's faith in the promised redeemer saved them just as we who put our faith in Jesus Christ are SAVED TODAY.

Those ASLEEP IN THE LORD 1 Cor 15....

Rev 20:10 clearly say forever and forever. Hell was originally created for the fallen angels BEFORE TIME, BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD and is not subject to earths time clock.

Who Are The Masons
Trav, nothing you post troubles me. Your insulting comments of scripture I post concerning Israel trouble you... I only see you troubled. And you gaslight, FALSELY ACCUSINGLY, making false accusations to have an advantage over another, to slander another for your advantage IS GASLIGHTING. And Trav, those who know and understand the purpose of Gaslighting don't question their sanity. I do question your motives to disgard ALL SCRIPTURE concerning Israel.

You said they don't believe in Jesus, but you fail to acknowledge the consequences for their rejecting Jesus. 1/2 the truth is not the WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH. It's how CULTS operate. They throw in a little truth, and then reject the WHOLE TRUTH.

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