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Different Denominations Marry
  
wivv:

Catholics ARE Christians. There were Catholic Christians for centuries before there were Protestant ones. This is like asking "Should Baptists marry Christians?".

Questions like this imply items in the first category are excluded from the second. Such hidden assumptions are disingenuous, like the infamous question "Have you stopped beating your wife?" (assumes you have a wite, and used to beat her).

There is toxic elitism when some groups of people say "WE are REAL Christians, but YOU aren't", which divides Christ. If we have to judge people, judge them by their fruits, not their labels. There are good ones and bad ones in every denomination.


Are Democrats Terrorists
  
Tt's really curious violence started in Portland when the federal "troops" arrived, then stopped as soon as they left. It's almost as if their very presence was causing the very violence they were allegedly there to prevent.

Alt-right white nationalists have been fomenting violence, attempting to frame BLM for it. The black-clad "umbrella man" who smashed AutoZone windows in Minneapolis while others were peacefully protesting was a white nationalist. White nationalists were arrested wearing blackface committing violent acts in an attempt to frame BLM.

Far from "should those on the left be called terrorists?" we have those on the right ACTUALLY being caught red-handed being terrorists.


Are Democrats Terrorists
  
jerry6593:

If "ALL lives matter" and life is sacred, the life of a criminal on death row is just as precious as the life of a child. If not, "pro-life" is only "pro-SOME lives", only "pro WORTHY lives" - and Jesus taught us NONE are worthy and ALL deserve death. Any Bible-believing Christian would know this.

Medicare For All may cost billions more in taxes, but counting premiums, deductibles, co-pays, and payment caps, OUR total cost will be billions LESS, as it eliminates a huge insurance industry whose sole purpose is to decide who pays for what, and takes a huge cut while doing so. Also price-gouging pharmaceuticals.

U.S. is the ONLY developed country without universal health care.


Different Denominations Marry
  
ven:

The Father is not a human being, so he's neither man, woman, nor any other kind of human. He is spirit, and must be worshiped in spirit and truth (John 4:23-24). He's called Father, never Mother (although Matthew 23:37 "how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings")

John 17:21
That they all may be one, as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

We can't all be each other. "One" means unity in purpose and spirit, not "one and the same" (erroneous belief of Oneness Pentecostals).

Jesus manifested in flesh at his BIRTH, not before.


Different Denominations Marry
  
ven:

We seem to be arguing not about whether he was a fleshy human being, but whether he was a "man". So what does "man" actually mean?

Dictionary defines "man" as 1. adult male person, 2. member of Homo Sapiens species, 3. the species collectively. You clearly mean 1. I mean 2. What does the Bible mean?

Numbers 23:19: "God is not a man, that he should lie" clearly means 2, and NOT 1.

The frequently-used term "son of man" clearly means 2 or 3.

John 1:14 "The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us" indicates that he was not flesh before, and then was later changed into flesh.


Are Democrats Terrorists
  
ven:

Billy Graham wrote in an interview with Parade Magazine in 1981:

"I don't want to see religious bigotry in any form. It would disturb me if there was a wedding between the religious fundamentalists and the political right. The hard right has no interest in religion except to manipulate it."

Satan offered Jesus political power, and he wisely refused. Sadly, evangelicals today reject that lesson, and embrace worldly power, at the expense of spiritual discernment, and Franklin is one of the chief examples of this. Evangelicals today don't so much preach the love of God, as they preach hatred of socialism and liberalism - forgetting that the early church was both.


Different Denominations Marry
  
ven:

You are confused about what kathr4453 believes, and are leaping to judgment, by hastily taking a few words out of context.

Mormon belief was that Jesus (and Jehovah) pre-existed AS HUMAN BEINGS. That is the heresy. Christianity teaches that Jesus existed in divine form in the beginning, but he only BECAME flesh later - two millenia years ago.

"Jesus" (or, or accurately, "The Word", since the name "Jesus" was given to him at birth) existed from the beginning of time. "The MAN Jesus" was born around 2023 years ago. Do you understand the difference now?


Who Are You Voting For
  
jerry6593:

Some Democrats are Marxists. Most aren't. Some Republicans are Nazis. Most aren't.

The "racial divide" is caused by our legal system. Police assault innocent people (mostly black) with no repercussions. When white and black people commit the same crimes, whites get a pat on the wrist while blacks get the book.

It's NOT REVENGE for 2016. Revenge is one of TRUMP'S chief motivations, and he ADMITS it. The man is not remotely Christian.

The American Civil War was a war of secession. The FINANCIAL divide in America today is the same as in France in the 18th century, and in THAT civil war, the peasants with pitchforks WON.


Are Democrats Terrorists
  
kathr4453:

Franklin's father, Billy Graham, was a respectable man of God. He was a welcome visitor to the White House, under many presidents of different parties. He said that he dreaded a day when Christianity would get mixed up with right wing politics, and, sadly, he was right.

These days, the two groups have become intertwined into an unholy pharisaical mess, claiming to be pro-life yet also pro-war and pro-capital punishment and against helping people after they're born. Claiming to be pro-family, yet glorifying leaders who hold family values in contempt. Claiming to be Christian, yet despising the poor and pandering to the rich.


Who Are You Voting For
  
ven:

Most women who have abortions don't do it because they want to. It's traumatic. Most have them because they don't have any other viable options. E.g. they're single, just barely making ends meet, and can't afford time off their jobs to have or raise a child, because in many jobs, if you take time off, you get fired. Or, if you take time off without pay, you can't afford rent, so you lose your home.

Republicans contribute to this problem by constantly cutting funds to infrastructures that help single mothers be able to afford to have children. Countries like DK and NL have LOWER abortion rates, even though abortion is freely available, because they address the symptom - unwanted pregnancy - by providing such infrastructures.


Are Democrats Terrorists
  
kathr4453:

There are pro-Trump ads with footage of a nightmare future, burning cities, and anarchy in the streets. "Do you want Biden's America?" - hilarious, because those footage of TRUMP'S AMERICA right now.

Another ad shows protestors beating up police. But that's not America today. it's police attacking pro-Democracy demonstrators in Ukraine in 2014.

The Liberty Project (a growing group of anti-Trump Republicans) have an absolutely devastating ad with many Trump quotes denying COVID-19, against a steadily rising graph showing the actual death toll.


Who Are You Voting For
  
jerry6593:

My previous post quoted TRUMP'S babbling from July 14, word for word. Can you quote specific babblings of Biden's? I'm listening.

Lying, envy, theft? That's Republicans. They want to take away Social Security we paid into our entire lives. Trump envies Obama's accomplishments (which is why he is undoing them all), and thinks he "deserves" a Nobel Prize.

Enslavement? There are Republicans TODAY saying slavery was NECESSARY (e.g. Tom Cotton, yesterday). No Democrats are.

Abortion? I repeatedly pointed out how other countries have LOWER abortion rates than the U.S. but conservatives would rather curse the darkness than turn on the light and follow their example.


Are Democrats Terrorists
  
"Defund the police" doesn't mean "eliminate the police so we have anarchy". It means dismantle corrupt dysfunctional police departments, and re-create functional accountable ones. It means redistribute many responsibilities (e.g. parking tickets, social work, domestic abuse) to different groups trained and equipped for them.

One officer on the force for decades said they saw many domestic abuse calls in their career, ZERO of which were solved successfully. Police get weeks of training with weapons and tactics, but only hours for social work. Let people trained for THAT do that job, and similarly for other jobs police should never be forced to do.


Different Denominations Marry
  
jerry6593:

Dialectic looks at seemingly contradictory statements, realizes that they paint two sides of a picture, and looks past the contradictions to see a more complete view.

Three blind men examined an elephant. One felt its tail and said it's a rope. One felt its leg and said it's like a tree. One felt its trunk and said it's a snake. All statements were mutually contradictory, and painted incomplete pictures of an elephant, but when combined, they gave a better picture.

One can look at many places where the Bible seems to contradict itself and just stop there, or one can look past the seeming contradictions to see what truth lies between them.


Who Are You Voting For
  
jerry6593:

You complain about Biden occasionally making gaffes, but Trump is CONSTANTLY making speeches that are rambling word salads. I quoted a small sample of his last one in my last message. You can see it all on the White House official web site, if you want. Google: Trump shower speech.

This is a man who looks into eclipses, says windmills cause cancer, recommends injecting bleach, and wanted to nuke a hurricane. COVID-19 is too dangerous to hold a Republican convention, but it's safe for millions of children to go to school?! And you think BIDEN has mental issues?! Wake up and smell the covfefe!


Different Denominations Marry
  
kathr4453:

An example of dialectic:

Thesis: All who are not against Jesus are for him. (Mark 9:40, Luke 9:50)

Antithesis: All who are not for Jesus are against him. (Matthew 12:30, Luke 11:23,

Synthesis: Everyone is either for Jesus or against him. There is no neutral middle ground.


Who Are You Voting For
  
jerry6593:

Trump 7/14:

you take a shower, the water doesn't come out. You want to wash your hands, the water doesn't come out. So what do you do? You just stand there longer or you take a shower longer? Because my hair - I don't know about you, but it has to be perfect. Perfect.

Dishwashers - you didn't have any water, so you - the people that do the dishes - you press it, and it goes again, and you do it again and again. So you might as well give them the water because you'll end up using less water. So we made it so dishwashers now have a lot more water. And in many places - in most places of the country, water is not a problem. They don't know what to do with it. It's called "rain." They don't have a problem.


Are Democrats Terrorists
  
jerry6593:

BLM people DON'T say "ONLY black lives matter". Black lives are the ones at risk from police RIGHT NOW.

Why do "pro-life" people picket abortion clinics, but not death row? Don't "ALL lives matter"?

At a funeral, you comfort the widow, not tell them "everybody dies sometime". You direct firetrucks to your neighbor's burning house, not ask them to spray yours because "all houses matter". You feed a homeless person, not tell them "everybody needs to eat" (James 2:16). Yes, all of those are true, but none are useful, and in those contexts, they are downright insensitive and offensive.


People Reject God
  
kathr4453:

Exactly! This is the essence of self-congratulation, i.e. "We are in a position of privilege, because God WANTS us to be in a position of privilege". This is diametrically opposite to Jesus' teachings of reversal of fortune, i.e. "The first will become last, and the last will become first".

It is also conservative thinking (i.e. "This is how things are, and they should stay that way") as opposed to Jesus' repeated teachings of cathartic change through traumatic upheaval, e.g. overturning the temple vendors' tables, and screaming at Peter and calling him "SATAN!" for saying Jesus didn't need to die.


Different Denominations Marry
  
ven:

The Bible teaches BOTH determinism AND free will, in different places. You can't take one and discard the other, because it's inconvenient to you.

From God's perspective, that of someone who knows everything, and can see the universe from the outside, he knows what is going to happen.

But from our perspective, the perspective of of someone INSIDE the universe, who does NOT know everything, we are free to make our own choices, and are held accountable for those choices.

This is the essence of dialectic (Greek "two words"). You have two opposed ideas (thesis and antithesis), and the combination of these yields a new and different truth that embodies both of these conflicting truths (synthesis).



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