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Was Peter Saved Early
So back to John 3:13-16 Jesus clearly shows those who were bitten by snakes in the wilderness BECAUSE OF THEIR SIN , had the free will and power within them to LOOK UP. And they were told if they looked upon the serpent they would be healed. So we see depraved sinners in rebellion GIVEN A CHOICE to save themselves if they BY FAITH looked up. Jesus clearly states sinners in this same state can LOOK UP and believe in Jesus Christ BY FAITH being healed from sin, and be given eternal life.

One should read Numbers 21 and see how depraved they were that they had no clue.....I'm being sarcastic of coarse.

Ven, so absorbed in his brainwashed doctrine cannot REASON WITH THE REASONABLE SCRIPTURE.

The Calvinist System
Genesis 4:5 God accepted Abel's sacrifice but not Cains. This made Cain both dejected and very angry, and his face grew dark with fury. 6 Why are you angry? the Lord asked him. Why is your face so dark with rage? 7 It can be bright with joy if you will do what you should! But if you refuse to obey, watch out. Sin is waiting to attack you, longing to destroy you. But you can conquer it!

Why would God reason with Cain this way if Cain was chosen to hell? You accuse God of Duplicity. You make God a liar. This is why I detest Calvinism. It's straight from HELL. And you continue to be Satans mouth piece even after being shown the truth. Shame on you. Cain then refused to repent and obey and murdered his brother.

Should Churches Pay Taxes
ven again you resort to carnal comments to try to prove your theories. You always make it personal. Once you do that you've lost .... When discussing doctrine sweety, what others believe is not the issue. So why bring what Samuel believes into the conversation. I used your mentality back at you. Samuel doesn't believe in your no free will doctrine. But that is not going to change your mind is it? So why should Samuels views on THE CHURCH vs Israel change mine?

Let's stick to scripture ven....if you can do that. So far you aren't able to do that. When you see I post scripture you can't handle you then resort to personal attacks. It's what losers do and carnal Christians do because that's all they have.

Was Peter Saved Early
Jesus chose His 12 Disciples out of Elect Israel. Jesus makes this statement several times in John. He said except one will betray me...which was Judas. So if this meant all men through out all of history we know more than one has betrayed Jesus. He said it in John 6 and again in John 17......YET IN VERSE 17:20 we see a definite break from His Apostles/ Disciples when Jesus prayed.....AND THOSE WHO BELIEVE ON ME THROUGH THEIR WORD . The THEIR here is Jesus CHOSEN HAND PICKED OUT OF ELECT ISRAEL. If Jesus were teaching Calvinism, a Gentile would be in that pick.

Remember Gentiles as Ephesians says were without God in the world and not part of Gods Covenant with Israel. RIGHTLY DIVIDE FOLKS.

Importance Of Free Will
Ven, where do you get your analogies. We were created after the image of God. If God has free will, so do we. You use philosophy here and not scripture to back up your philosophy. First you have to know WHAT IS A MANS WILL.

You say mans will is his corrupt ( original gnostic teaching) that he is unable to do what is right. Well, our heart also consistent of our CONSCIENCE, and that did not die At Adams fall. Mans conscience was actually AWAKENED at the fall, as we see Adam and Eve COVERED THEMSELVES. God asked....WHO TOLD YOU TO COVER YOURSELVES? you see...NO ONE DID . Their own conscience did. Now Romans 1-3 show man has a conscience except for those who seared their own conscience. That ven is not inherited.

The Calvinist System
God gave the ITES 400 years to repent from the time God promised the Land to Abraham. God gave man 125 years to repent from the time he CHOSE NOAH to preach and build an ark, before the Great Flood. God was going to destroy Nineveh in 40 days from Jonah's preaching, and they did repent and God spared them. Jesus said of Nineveh that one day Nineveh will rise up with a rebuke Israel, because they did repent and Israel did not .

God has from the beginning given men even with Cain a chance to repent,,,even second chances.

God promised David no matter what He would never take the Holy Spirit from him. This is the Davidic Covenant. No such covenant was made with Saul. Saul knew not to go to a witch or dabble in witchcraft.

Should Churches Pay Taxes
Ven ,You began at verse 4 right in the middle of verse 3. The Lord taught me over 40 years ago to look at every single word of scripture, and to read THE WHOLE CHAPTER AND BOOK. But to read WHOLE SENTENCES. ALSO , What is the subject, and what is the ending summary . We see the beginning, middle, and end of Ephesians is about THE MYSTERY OF THE CHURCH. "The mystery of the Church" is stated in Ephesians more than any other book. So THE CHURCH, not you, is the subject at hand.

Baby Christians put themselves as the subject matter, as you have done, however...mature Christians know ALL SCRIPTURE IS ABOUT JESUS CHRIST. So let's be clear here no one was IN HIM before the foundation of the world .

Was Peter Saved Early
Genesis 24:8And if the woman will not be willing to follow thee, then thou shalt be clear from this my oath: only bring not my son thither again.

This is a type and shaddow of Christ and the Church. Isaac finds a bride. 1 Thesselonians 4:13-17.

We also see FREE WILL absolutely here. And full reading of Genesis shows the choice was given to Rebecca. Her father did not force her or demand her to accept.

We also see in the Gospels to preach the Gospel to all nations, but if any reject, to shake the sand from your feet and move on.

Today God is forming the CHURCH, the BOC out of both Jew and Gentile, making IN HIM ONE NEW MAN. This NEW MAN is predestined to be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ.

Was Peter Saved Early
Samuel, the Mystery of the Church is that we are one new man, no longer Jew or gentile. The new man, is not a continuation of Israel. God is going to deal with the NATION of Israel one day, but the Church is not a NATION, the Church is the Body of Christ. Jesus is not a Nation.

Yes, salvation is always the in Jesus. However when you see in Ephesians that we are "adopted" SONS OF GOD, that has to do with our POSITION. Paul is teaching the Church has a higher calling .

Just as all the tribes of Israel were important, some tribes had a different position. Out of JUDAH ALONE came Kings. Out of Levi alone came Priests.

God has a special plan and position for THE CHURCH.

Should Churches Pay Taxes
Ven, you have a serious problem reading and understanding what I say. I too believe every word of God and have more years on you than 26. I wholeheartedly believe every word of Ephesians....and that's the problem, you only believe in that one verse and disgard the rest of the WHOLE OF EPHESIANS.

The Church was in Gods thoughts before the foundation of the world just as Jesus was forordained to take away sin before the foundation of the world. But you and I both know the actual didn't happen until 2000 years age. The Church is God's Gift to His Son for the obedience of dying for our sin.

Your studies have left you incomplete in understanding ....and you still want to argue.

The Calvinist System
There are no scripture man lost free will when he sinned. He only gained the ability to know evil...he didn't loose the ability to know good. As a matter of fact Gods interaction with Cain prove that point. And all through out scripture God gives men a choice to obey or disobey.

The Gnostics and Stoics only originally taught the nonsense of no free will, not even the early Christian or men of faith through out scripture.

If Calvinist's go back to the root of this teaching, they will see even the Jews did not teach no free will EVER.

Isaiah 1:18-20 PROVE FREE WILL. God doesn't ask to reason with robots either.

Was Peter Saved Early
The ELECT TODAY is THE CHURCH, just as ISRAEL as a whole is Gods Elect. The Church belongs to Jesus, and Israel the Nation belong to God. And just as many could join Israel, anyone today can JOIN THE CHURCH, by placing your faith in Jesus Christ. Then you too are members of the ELECT CHURCH that was predestined before the foundation of the world TO BE CONFORMED TO THE INAGE OF JESUS CHRIST. Elect Israel will not be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ. Only the Church is.

Please read ALL OF EPHESIANS, not just your pet one verse wonder.

The Calvinist System
was because you finally used you free will to come to Christ. Everyone who did what you did is also very happy. That day they and you opened your own eyes to see Christ, your own ears so you could hear the gospel, gave yourselves a new heart so you could love Christ, what a great moment you had, very proud of your works.
---ven. on 8/7/20

Ven sounds so bitter and angry. He just can't grasp faith comes by hearing the Word of God. Not by election. To as many as receive Him "TO THEM " GAVE HE THE POWER TO BECOME THE SONS ON GOD.

Choose life or death.

The WORD of God is steeped with free choice to accept or reject God. Right from the very beginning God gave Cain a second chance to do what was right.

Should Churches Pay Taxes
ven, you couldn't be further from the truth. Many here have different beliefs. There's no contest here as who is the last man standing. And if you cared to take notice, there have been many contentious posters who are always nasty to others. To single me out as you admitted, after cyber-stalking as you admitted is creepy ven. To say we can't agree on ANYTHING is also creepy ven. You reject the virgin birth, the Deity of Christ, OT Saved, is again creepy. You have not even TRIED to meet me half way. That again is telling on YOU. You came on here to frustrate , but are angry because you can't, so you chose the low road with personal attacks...CREEPY. .No one here has backed anything you teach. No one has even voted you a helpful blogger.

Was Peter Saved Early
I see a problem here. Ven says anyone who disagrees with Calvinism is attacking him and not loving him. That's not how these blogs work ven, not even how Christianity works either. Trying to manipulate someone by accusing ....falsely I might add, is not love coming from the accuser.

I think possibly some coming on here think more highly of themselves than they ought.

Samuel simply stated he does not follow the teachings of the TULIP. No one here does. So that I guess makes all of us here not loving ven. No...we just don't love Calvinism. You are not Calvin. You need to grasp that fact. We can attack Calvinism the doctrine and STILL BE LOVING.

Should Churches Pay Taxes
So I thought it was a good time for me to bring the truth and see how you responded, and you did not surprise me.
---ven. on 8/9/20

So here we have out of ven's own admission his motive for being here online. To provoke intentionally. He first did this by bringing the truth that when Paul speaks of the CROSS, ven scoffs and says it's only a piece of wood. THAT WAS INTENTIONAL BAIT and he got his jolly laugh when I took that bate and rebuked him. Firstly NO CHRISTIAN would play such games.

It all reminds me, as the Lord brought to mind Psalms 10.

Professed Troublemakers should be asked to leave CN.

Importance Of Free Will
For those who want to discuss this with ven, please be careful not to let philosophy be what you are arguing against. I believe one needs to get to the root of this teaching , and go from there. Also you can watch a few YouTube sessions with Dr Wilson under the titles I provided. God bless Dr Wilson.

This issue has been discussed here often that ends in a huge fight. It's not going to change. Be convinced in your own hearts, and don't apologize for standing in the faith that was once delivered unto the Saints....which is FREE WILL.

Should Churches Pay Taxes
Samuel, today many who call themselves Christians only listen to FOX NEWS, and we know they totally support Trumps policies even to the extent of lying about it and they just believe it. And that in itself is creating a lot of hate between Christians. Another issue is the BLM propaganda coming from FOX painting them in a horrible light. I just found out too they said Colin Kaerpatric (sp) parents were ashamed of him and said he was always a troublemaker....ANOTHER LIE FOX PROMOTED. it also creates problems with Christians who point out these lies to other Christians who refuse to hear and believe they lie.

All Christians should be appalled at this mentality of hurting small children putting them in cages. It's disgusting.

Importance Of Free Will
The issue is: where did the teaching of no free will come from.
1) it began with the Gnosticism and Stoicism . And no early church fathers taught this until Augustine of Hippo, who came out of different Gnostic teachings. And Calvinism came out of Augustine's teachings.

2) scripture warns us against those false gnostic teachers, re philosophers. Colossians 2:8

3) when you know the truth of this, the truth will set you free

4) you can study this if you want . It's called" Augustine's conversion from traditional free choice to non free free will.. A comprehensive methodology . That's the more comprehensive one. By Kenneth M Wilson. The condensed one is called The Foundation of Augustinian- Calvinism. Only $10.

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