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Different Denominations Marry
I don't believe God who is Spirit , as the Word and Holy Spirit included were gender specific. I know scripture refers to God as Father He, etc, but ADAM was the first MAN created 6000 years ago. Jesus was made in the likeness of man. Not vice versa.

Philippians 2:5-7

5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

The Calvinist System
David, no no a thousand times no. That is not how I see the 4 Gospels.

Matthew is written to the Jews and is yet FUTURE. it pertains to the 1000 year reign, and a time we see stated in Revelations yet future. This time was also prophecied in the OT, and is not done away ...not until it...MATTHEW 5:18.

The OT prophecied of Jesus. He would be born of a virgin...Isaiah 7:14....Matt 1:18, Luke 1:27 CHECK

Suffer and die for our sin. Isaiah 53, Psalms 22:1, Matt 27:46, Mark 15:36 CHECK

Abraham rejoiced to see my day...

More later

The Calvinist System
First ven totally blows what The Augustinian system of Calvinism is, by saying there is no such thing...WRONG, and then insists the message of the Cross is a piece of wood, WRONG AGAIN, , then we have pre-existing whatever's, and then Isaac's Children, WHAT COULD BE NEXT. He also thinks Black Lives Matters means ONLY Black lives Matter.

Something is seriously wrong here. The Augustinian one was a whopper of ignorance, seeing ven is REFORMED, or so he says. The most ignorant REFORMED to date.

Ya know ven, scripture says 1)if you want to look wise, keep your mouth shut. 2) If you want to BE WISE, research things before opening your mouth. 3)If you want WISDOM, that can only be found IN CHRIST JESUS. You failed all three.

The Calvinist System
David, why do you reject the Gospel?

Romans 5:16
And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

Romans 6:7
For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Romans 6:18
Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

Romans 6:20
For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.

Romans 6:22
But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

Romans 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Different Denominations Marry
God also knew there would be His Chosen People ISRAEL the EARTHLY DESCENDENTS of Jacob, where God renamed JACOB Israel. But did Jews and Gentile spirit babies also preexist? God said of Israel, the nation, YOU ONLY HAVE I KNOWN OF ALL THE FAMILIES OF THE EARTH. So as I asked ven before, was he a Jew spirit baby or Gentile spirit baby?

Also notice in the Ephesians ven posted. Vs 4, Q: we're we already HOLY AND BLAMELESS "IN HIM," meaning IN CHRIST, already adopted as SONS BY JESUS CHRIST TO HIMSELF before the foundation of the world? So are you saying Jesus the MAN CHRIST JESUS pre-existed too.....ALSO A MORMON BELIEF.

Different Denominations Marry
Origin was a believer in free will, and he adamantly rejected the Valentinian idea of election. Furthermore, in his interpretation of the story of Jacob and Esau, Origen argues that the condition into which a person is born is actually dependent upon what their souls did in this pre-existent state. According to Origen, the superficial unfairness of a person's condition at birthwith some humans being poor, others rich, some being sick, and others healthyis actually a by-product of what the person's soul had done in the pre-existent state.

Total heresy. Is this where ven gets preexistance? Origen's dictrine on preexistance was condemned.

Different Denominations Marry
This says it all.

The teaching of preexistence (also called premortality) says that prior to their birth into mortality, all people were begotten spirit children of God and lived with him (Robert L. Millet et al. LDS Beliefs: A Doctrinal Reference (Salt Lake City: Deseret Books Co., 2011), p. 498). In fact, the Ensign magazine reports that of all the major Christian churches, only The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints teaches that the human race lived in a premortal existence with God the Father and His Son, Jesus Christ (Ensign, February 2006, p. 30).

Different Denominations Marry
Baylor University had Mormon's on their staff teaching at this Baptist CHRISTIAN college. A Baptist minister left and is now Mormon.

Ravi Zacharias , came under much controversy in 2004 when he went out to The Mormon Temple in Salt Lake City and basically said there was no difference between Mormonism and Christians, AND WAS OUTRAGED WHEN CHRISTIANS CANE ALONG TO SHARE THE GOSPEL. So we have been seeing this unholy union creeping into the Church for years. I was in a Baptist Church at one time in my life where the Pastor said we should be more like Mormons and couldn't say enough good about them. This gives baby Christians a mixed message. So it's fair to say MORMONISM is creeping into our churches.

People Reject God
The teaching of preexistence (also called premortality) says that prior to their birth into mortality, all people were begotten spirit children of God and lived with him (Robert L. Millet et al. LDS Beliefs: A Doctrinal Reference (Salt Lake City: Deseret Books Co., 2011), p. 498). In fact, the Ensign magazine reports that of all the major Christian churches, only The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints teaches that the human race lived in a premortal existence with God the Father and His Son, Jesus Christ (Ensign, February 2006, p. 30).

So what say you NurseRobert?

Different Denominations Marry
Romans 4:16Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace, to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed, not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all,17, as it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations, before him whom he believed, even God who giveth life to the dead, and calleth those things which are not as though they were,18, who against hope, believed in hope that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, SO SHALL THY SEED BE.

Satan has blinded ven's eyes/mind to not understand these verses. He will post the same verse that does NOT say Isaac is our father or we are Isaac's spiritual children .

Different Denominations Marry
I just called an acquaintance who is a Reformed Preacher for years and years, said ven is confused. He said he never heard of us being Isaac's spiritual children. We are BY FAITH ABRAHAMS SPIRITUAL CHILDREN, even those who came from Ishmaels earthly lineage BY FAITH in Jesus Christ are also Abrahams SPIRITUAL CHILDREN. Romans and the Gospels and Galatians make this clear. As far as preexisting, again he believes because God knows beginning to end just as God KNOWS how things end doesn't mean they preexisted in order to end. Same with us. God knows who WILL BE written in the lambs book of life and names are added daily.

It was a great talk.

People Reject God
Ven the passage IS NOT talking about salvation. The chapter itself is not talking about our initial salvation but our WALK as believers as I pointed out other verses Paul uses the word AWAKE.

And you are arrogant to accuse me of not believing because I disagree with your interpretation of scripture. I BELIEVE JUST FINE of what and how Jesus has taught me HIS WORD. The Holy Spirit does not lead you to Calvin Reformed books. HE ENLIGHTENS THE WORD OF GOD PERIOD.

You believe the wisdom of men over God. So don't accuse or lecture me about my faith. You are considered a pudknocker. All talk no depth or personal experience. If it takes two posts and 3 scriptures to get things correct who are you to complain?

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Colossians 3:12 Paul writing to the Colossians already saved about Christian living. Peter however in 2 Peter 3 is a warning about the second coming of Christ and the wrath that is to come, and WHY the Lord is long-suffering not WILLING any should perish but that all SHOULD come to repentance. If ven doctrine was correct it would say ALL "WILL" COME TO REPENTANCE.

You "Should" tie your shoe, as it is dangerous to walk around in untied shoes, doesn't mean all with shoes WILL .

The very small words ven doesn't grasp make a world of difference in the meaning of verses. Maybe that's why those who don't understand English are easily duped into Calvinism.

People Reject God
Ven posted:
Answer: "Awake , you who sleep, Arise from the dead, And Christ will give you light" Eph. 5:14.

I have to add something else doesn't say AWAKE YOU WHO ARE ELECT does it. Or AWAKE MY CHOSEN ONES. NO. AWAKE you who sleep. So ask yourself, who are these "YOU WHO SLEEP"? Is there scripture the elect SLEEP, but the non-elect are DEAD? Or only those asleep can rise from the dead, but the dead who are dead can't? Can't you see how Calvinist's twist scripture to say what it wants, but what it's not actually saying. UNLESS you can prove the elect only sleep, and those nonelect are dead. Good luck ven.

Know Each Other In Heaven
Paul begins Romans 9 -11 addresses Israel and those promises WRITTEN in the OT concerning ISRAEL. Seeing he is writing to Gentiles who probably don't know about these promises he is explaining to Gentiles ...1) not to be arrogant against Jews, as we see the RCC, Hitler and even many today are.

Romans 11: 26 And so ALL ISREAL SHALL BE SAVED AS IT IS WRITTEN , There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.***EZEKIEL 36***. 28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

People Reject God
God blinding SOME OF THE BRANCHES of the Jews was for a purpose, until the fullness of the Gentiles come in. This is not the same as Satan blinding . God will in His SOVEREIGN TIMING save Israel, as Romans 11 explain. And that in no way suggests God blinded the eyes minds of any Gentiles.

So we need to get these facts and truths in its rightful place first before making statements concerning Gods plan of salvation God never said or meant. One is to abuse the meaning and purpose of the words Elect/ chosen etc.

People Reject God
The idea of our being adopted is not like humans adopting . Yikes. John 1:12 we first see how one becomes a son. Jesus told the Jews, you are no longer servants but son's. We are son's because we have been begotten again to a living hope THROUGH JESUS CHRIST. BAPTIZED INTO HIS DEATH and raised up together WITH HIM are now in the Spirit and not the flesh are son's of God. Romans 8:11-18. He didn't just look around and say ...OH I THINK I'LL ADOPT THAT ONE OVER THERE. YIKES.

Know Each Other In Heaven
ven, if you continued to read Galatians, Paul continues his teaching...remember this was a letter, not a chapter and verse book, Paul continues his teaching using Sarah and Hagar, where Sarahs children( US) are ABOVE AND FREE and Hagar's children re ISHMAEL's are still in bondage. so NOT in Ishmael Thy seed Christ was NOT called, but through Isaac's seed, GALATIANS $ 4:22-31 explain fully. THEN the seed came through one of Isaacs sons who was Jacob vs Esau, God chose Jacob to carry the seed down THROUGH David Romans 1,3 who came through MARY. This genealogy is shown twice in the Gospels. This SEED also promised in Genesis 3:15 was the Promise of the Messiah JESUS CHRIST. YOU are not a SEED ven unless you are claiming to be a little god.

Know Each Other In Heaven
David, I'm not sure the purpose of the verse you posted. But to your question. Before I can answer your question, please tell me exactly what you say my beliefs on on Grace that Jesus didn't preach. The Law came through Moses, but Grace and Truth came by Jesus Christ.

Ok David, Jesus came into the world to die for sinners. Jesus was FORORDAINED before the foundation of the world to take away sin. Today GRACE REIGNS THROUGH JESUS CHRIST. We are saved by Jesus death and resurection . Justified by His BLOOD and saved by His RISEN LIFE . BY GRACE you have been saved through faith in Jesus sacrifice on the cross. Jesus talked about His death many times with His disciples.

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