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The Calvinist System
Ven, I showed you scripture Jesus was made flesh when He was born of a virgin. John 1:1-12. 1 John 1:1-8. 1Cor 15:42-45. Philippians 2:5-8, Hebrews 1-2, Romans 1:3. Just to name a few places.

I know what I believe ven. If The Word took on the form of a man, it doesn't mean He remained in that form anymore than He remained in the form of A ROCK, or a cloud, or a burning bush, or an angel. If you can't grasp that fact, you have some serious issues. I can't help you there.

So get over yourself and your rude attacks. I feel sorry for you ven. You seem like a very angry small person. You're what's called negative energy...a bummer. I will pray for your salvation ven. Once saved, you won't exhibit envy here AKA HATE.

Should Churches Pay Taxes
Ven, you seem to be on a roll attacking everyone on line, calling everyone a liar, but yourself. A real joy to be around. I can understand why you are here online, probably because you don't have any friends.....I guess they too are tired of a know it all obnoxious bully. I'll keep you in my prayers ven. You need to get saved and experience the Joy if the Lord. It's obvious you've not experienced that.

Don't be surprised if no one responds back to you after this. It's a way of saying GET LOST.

The Calvinist System
the Gospel is 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. And not only did Jesus die for our sin and was raised up on the Third day, the gospel according to the Mystery is that when we are saved we are RAISED UP TOGETHER WITH CHRIST, EPHESIANS 2:6-7 And made to sit with Him IN HEAVENLY PLACES IN CHRIST. Our citizenship right now is in HEAVEN. Only the CHURCH is called to do that.

There are those who will inherit the earth, and those who are laying up treasures in heaven. Jesus spoke of both these places. But to Paul was given so much more detail about our HEAVENLY CALLING. Eph 1:3, 2:6-7, 3:10, Heb 3:1, 8:5, 9:23. Paul also states THOSE WHO MIND EARTHLY THINGS ARE ENEMIES OF THE CROSS. Phil 3:17-19 , Gal5:11.

Different Denominations Marry
Does it actually say a man IN THE FLESH, or did ven just add that? Ven is comparing apples to oranges. No where in the OT was Jesus BORN, or begotten of man to be flesh and blood of man . We see Jesus genealogy in the Gospels of his earthly lineage going back to Adam. THIS HUMAN FLESH is what we are referring to. The very same body Jesus has today, except it it Glorified. And this same Jesus with nail prints in His hands will be the MAN CHRIST JESUS who will return at the second coming. And before Adam AKA MAN was created, there was no man Christ Jesus. Adam was THE FIRST MAN.

The Calvinist System
Hebrews 1-2 disagree with you. Secondly, what did Jesus do with His OT body? We know in the NT He was born of a virgin grew, died and rose again with the same body He was born with. Today the risen Christ still has His NT body, and one day we will see the nail marks in His hands and wounded side.

So Hebrews says God spoke to man through His Angels, but now in the LAST DAYS ( WHICH IS NOW ) God has spoken to us through His Son Jesus Christ. Even if The WORD took on the form of a man like the angels did on occasion STILL DOES NOT MAKE ANY OF THEM A MAN. I believe before His incarnation THE WORD WAS and is God in Spirit form. The LAST ADAM who is Jesus Christ came after the first man Adam. 1 Corinthians 15:45 ADAM means MAN .

Was Peter Saved Early
All OT even those of faith in the Gospel era were absolutely saved and went to a place called Abraham's bosom or Paradise UNTIL Jesus rose from the dead.

Jesus already foretold Peter he would deny Him. Never said anything about him losing his soul over it.

Are Democrats Terrorists
Strongaxe, all these things you've pointed out are kept off of FOX NEWS and that is why ven and Jerry don't get it. And what I see along the same lines of these mentally retarded Republicans is now these death threats towards Dr Fauci and his family and daughters. And who again is involved in this terrorism...TRUMP LED REPUBLICANS. who started it..TRUMP. WHO CONTINUES WITH HIS bashing agenda...JIM JORDAN and the likes.

Now I say destroying people's lives with lies is terrorism. There are all kinds of terroristic tactics. And the Republicans want you to focus on other things while they do the terrorizing. The list of folks getting death threats for speaking truth is the worse kind of terrorism. WAKE UP.

The Calvinist System
David, I don't know what your experience was like, but I do know the moment I surrendered my life to the Lord I had an experience I will never forget to this day. It felt like being carried up to heaven...but even more it was a reality of coming into the presence of God, the reality of saying ABBA FATHER, not in a way you could see, but that the Lord was RIGHT THERE, lifting me up with Him to LIFE I had never known before, and has been there closer than ever from that day forward . The presence of His Love was crushing. So yes, we do have much to look forward to. :)

Are Democrats Terrorists
For years the KKK terrorized black communities, burning crosses, dressed in their white sheets. Atlanta where I live use to have LYNCHING PICNICS . Then the horrible stories of prosperious Black communities , one such in Oklahoma totally destroyed and burnt to the ground, and mass murdering of Black people.

Now you guys are all upset the tables have turned. You can abuse and abuse and abuse just so much until all hell breaks loose. If all hell has broken loose...ITS ATTITUDES LIKE VENS AND JERRY's that keep those fires of hate going. Not having it. I know what I know and see.

But remember ven...this is GODS WILL ....REMEMBER. YOU ARE ACCUSING GOD. Shame on you. Hypocrite.

Are Democrats Terrorists
Jerry, Riots and protests began with the Boston Tea Party. Woman's Sufferage, The Gangs of NY when the rich could buy their way out of service and the poor had to go in their place caused much damage and rioting in NY back in the 1800. Another was in the late 60'early 70. All those riots in Chicage during the DNC and then protesting the Viet Nam War. College students were being murdered on their campuses KENT STATE. Then the Rodney King riots.

Sorry, but there was no BLM OR ANTIFA then. People burned flags, which the SC held up their right to protest. Protests were also against horrible working conditions.....REMEMBER THE TRIANGLE SHIRT-WASTE FACTORY FIRE.

So Jerry, we need to LISTEN and try to understand .

The Calvinist System
David, awesome. Thank you for saying that. Bless you too David. I think we will be learning and learning until the Lord comes and then we'll be learning more and more throughout all eternity. I always get excited discovering new things.

Are Democrats Terrorists
Jerry I've only seen those who want to look like BLM when now they are being identified as KKK . I don't believe 99 percent of BLM are doing the damage. But the 1 percent can do a lot of damage. Some of this damage was white women as well. We already see in Portland it's calmed down after Trump's Brown Shirts were pulled out.

The Calvinist System
Ephesians 2:14, who is our peace and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us,( Jew and gentile)

15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances, for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace,

16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.

18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

The CHURCH has a heavenly calling. The 144,000 have an earthly calling.

The Calvinist System
David, I'm part of the way with you, but scripture shows that God revealed the Gospel according to the MYSTERY to Paul, where Jew and Gentile are ONE NEW MAN, the Mystery of The Church. So yes, Paul went to the Gentiles And to the Jews, to preach the Gospel according to THE MYSTERY. ROMANS 16:25-27.

This mystery was hidden in the OT. So THE MYSTERY is not just the New Covenant either , as that was no mystery kept secret. And as the Church enjoys SOME of the promises of the NC , we do not enjoy all. Re LAND we do not. The NC to the Nation of Israel , includes land. We have a HIGHER CALLING. God is calling out both Jew and Gentile during this age of GRACE to form THE CHURCH. The CHURCH is the mystery. A WHOLE NEW CREATURE.

Different Denominations Marry
I believe there is a great difference between different faiths. And one should be equally yoked with one who shares the same faith. For many years Catholics would not marry those who were Protestant with a Catholic or made them convert, and vice versa with Protestant believers. It wasn't the people who decided that, but the church leaders themselves. And if all were simply Christians with various views ...why were so many burned at the stake from opposing sides. I think today people have just become more liberal in their beliefs. But many still today do not compromise. I could NEVER be yoked with a Calvinist, although we both believe in Jesus.

Are Democrats Terrorists
I believe folks are smart enough now to see the White Supremacist 's are responsible for much of the violence and distruction. I believe the saying now is....IF WE TRIED TO DISMANTLE THE KKK THE WAY MANY WANT TO DISMANTLE THE BLM THERE WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN A BLM IN THE FIRST PLACE.


The Calvinist System
Also David, you said there were no Jewish Christians until Paul...WRONG. We See in the day of Pentecost over 3000 Jews became Christians. Paul actually helped murder Christian Jews. Until Paul's conversion I believe he was feared by the Jewish Christian community and it took several years before they trusted him and believed in his own conversion. Now Paul is a member of the CHURCH...THE NEW CREATURE, and shows in 2 Cor 3 that the Old Covenant is done away. And those still under it are still blind.

The Calvinist System
David the parable is teaching not to mix the Old Covenant with the New, do not mix law with Grace. It has nothing to do with teachers. It's called mixing LEAVEN in your doctrine.A little LEAVEN ruins the whole lump. 2 Cor 5:17 old passes away behold ALL THINGS NEW.

I've never heard of your definition of the garment and winecloth parable. Christ in you is put into A NEW CREATURE, NOT OUR OLD SIN MAN. The NC is clearly Defined in Romans 6-8. Even chapter 7 clearly state one must DIE TO THE LAW in order to bring forth fruit into God.

The Calvinist System
....., "So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham" what that means is that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. The rest are not, thats why there is two Israel's, "the Israel of the flesh, and "The Israel of God" which are the one's by faith.
---ven. on 8/1/20

That's odd too, because those who are not of faith are not even Israel after the flesh. Those who are not are simply not saved at all PERIOD. I believe scripture calls them LOST, HEATHENS, etc. We see concerning Israel after the flesh in Romans 11:26-27. Gentiles even before Abraham, who lived by faith re Abel, Job, Enoch, Noah are also not the Israel of God.

Are Democrats Terrorists
Back to the question above. Seeing the Dems had a plan to carry us through this uptick in the Trump virus fiasco, we have no agreement, because the GOP's proposal threw in all sorts of things not even related, like a new FBI building Trump will financially benefit from the tear down of the old, being so close to his Trump Tower....didn't come up until he sees he's losing and wants to grab all he can for himself. Also in the GOP plan, there was no provision for evictions...a HUGE over site ....or not, seeing homeless has a harder time voting ..especially this late in the game if folks are displaced out of their district. I say the Republicans are the terrorists in all of this.

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