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Amy Barrett Woman Of Faith
  
Trav:

Trump was a pro-choice Democrat, then realized if he pretended to be a conservative, and pushed a pro-life and xenophobic pro-wall agenda, he could dupe conservatives into voting for him.

He kept whining about voter fraud, and still insists he "won", with no evidence. This rhetoric inspired many of his more extreme followers to attempt a coup.

He claims to care about fraud, but does not. In his infamous hour-long phone call, he begged that numbers be "adjusted". He didn't say "find all the votes". He said "find 11,780 votes". He wasn't asking for election integrity. He was asking ONLY for just enough votes to win. Like a little child, it was only about him getting what HE wants.


Amy Barrett Woman Of Faith
  
Trav:

Trump is nothing like me. I know I'm not perfect, and strive to improve myself by learning. When I make assertions, I often cite sources (e.g. scriptures, legal decisions), if not obvious or easily looked up (e.g. front page of any newspaper or search engine).

Trump thinks he already knows everything - better than experts in each field. He makes wild claims even when they defy all evidence.

I despise Trump because he's the total antithesis of everything the Bible teaches. He violates all Ten Commandments and commits all Seven Deadly Sins - and not only does these, BOASTS ABOUT IT. And despite this, deluded Evangelicals follow him, just because he hates the same things they hate.


Amy Barrett Woman Of Faith
  
Trav:

Per Burdick vs. United States 1915, accepting a pardon means ACCEPTING GUILT. It only eliminates the punishment.

Trump thinks he knows EVERYTHING better than anyone. Judges are trained their entire life to interpret the law. He wasn't.

He thinks he knows medicine better than doctors. Now we have 340K+ COVID-19 deaths.

He thinks he knows military tactics better than generals. He ordered a disastrous raid on Yakla, Yemen, during his first week in office, against the advice of ALL his military advisors, that got two dozen civilians killed, including a dozen children, and a pregnant woman and her unborn child. Yet we never hear pro-Lifers complain about any of this. But they STILL complain about 4 dead in Benghazi.


Amy Barrett Woman Of Faith
  
Trav:

You wrote: obviously you havent done any homework. Innocent till proven guilty.

From Wikipedia article about the Nisour Square Massacre:

In 2014, four Blackwater employees were tried and convicted in U.S. federal court, one of murder, and the other three of manslaughter and firearms charges, all four convicted were pardoned by Donald Trump in December 2020.

Innocent till proven guilty? THEY WERE PROVEN GUILTY. What part of "convicted" is not clear to you?

Charles Kushner was serving a sentence (therefore guilty) when Trump pardoned him. Hunter Biden has NOT been convinced, let alone charged with ANYTHING. He IS innocent till proven guilty.


Amy Barrett Woman Of Faith
  
Trav:

What do you mean "inadmissable hearsay"? Who decides that, you? Or trained judges with years of legal experience? The courts decided evidence was admissable, and those defendents were found guilty. Trump also pardoned his own son-in-law's father. Does that flagrant nepotism not bother you either?

And innocent .....you have no evidence they were.

So you think it's acceptable to murder women and children because they can't prove they're innocent?! The last I heard, we lived in America, where people are innocent until PROVEN guilty, not some police state where government agents can kill anyone they please based on suspicion or convenience.

How many child-murderers did Obama pardon?


Amy Barrett Woman Of Faith
  
Trav:

You complain about the "death of the innocent". Where is your outrage that our current president is doling out pardons like candy, some of which went to four Blackwater guards who murdered 14 Iraqi civilians and wounded 17 others? Those victims innocent, yet he is deliberately letting their murderers escape justice.


Are You Truly Saved
  
kathr4453:

I have no idea how any people who call themselves Christians can follow Paula White. She said that anyone who told you to deny yourself was from Satan. (Typical prosperity gospel stuff.) Jesus told his followers to deny themselves, take up their crosses, and follow him. This alone should be enough to tell people to stay far away.

She also told people that to prove their faith, they needed to send HER their January salary.

Jesus also said that it was easier for a camel to pass through an eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God. So I feel sad for all of these rich televanglists with huge mansions, yachts, and jets - because according to Jesus, many of them are probably damned.


Are You Truly Saved
  
kath4453:

Yes, exactly. The same people who point to their favorite politician (e.g. Trump) and say "He's there because God CHOSE him to be there, and working against them is working against the Will of God", conveniently forget the same must ALSO be true for politicians they DON'T like. Thus God put Obama in the White House for 8 years, and Pelosi in Congress to impeach Trump.

And, if you follow that deep rabbit hole to the bottom, one would also have to accept that God put Leopold II, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc. in place to murder millions - and that working against those genocidal tyrants would be "working against God's Chosen".

Yet this is what a deterministic world-view inevitably leads to.


Are You Truly Saved
  
JS1234:

Calvinism leads down a dark path to several absurd conclusions:

If it is predetermined before we are even born whether we will be saved or not, then:

1) If someone is already predestined to be damned, there is nothing he can do about it one way or other, so there's no point in trying, so why bother preaching the gospel to them? It won't do any good.

2) If someone is already predestined to be saved, again, there is nothing one can do to change that, so again, there is no point in doing anything about it (e.g. going to church, reading the Bible, etc.) because whether you do or not, you're going to be saved anyway, right?

If Calvinism does NOT lead to these conclusions, please explain why not.


Saved Before Born
  
Samuelbb7:

Some (like Warren Jeffs) are, but he's from a splinter group. Cults form when one of two things happens:

1) Progressive Revelation - i.e. God can say something, but a later prophet can later change it. This is central to Mormonism. Joseph Smith changed much of Christianity, and later Mormon prophets made more changes whenever they thought it was convenient.

Jehovah's Witnesses constantly rewrite their theology every time one of their end-of-the-world predictions fails. Today, owning some literature from 50 years back is considered "subversive" and can get you disfellowshiped.

2) Rejecting peer accountability. We saw that with Warren Jeffs, Jim Jones, and many modern televangelists.



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