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Can Anyone Understand Gospel
  
Kathrine
I am not disputing what Paul or Peter said. I am only disputing your understanding of who they are speaking about.

They are saying it about those who have been Born Again, those who are born of God. The very fact, someone sins, is a sign this has not happened, according to Jesus (John 8:34 & 35) (1 John 3:9 & 10)
Can it still happen? Absolutely...but only if you make Jesus, your Lord.

How do you make Jesus Lord?
And why call ye Me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? (Luke 6:46)
You and many others are taught this is works and obedience to God plays no role in ones Salvation. Go back read the Gospel and make confession of sin a daily part of your life.


Can Anyone Understand Gospel
  
David Paul does not say SIN is destroyed. ---kath4453

Kathrine
I will reword it so you dont miss the point I want to make.

Paul says....(Romans 6:5-6)....our old man is crucified with Him,so that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

If we are crucified, we die,....correct?
If we die, our death destroys the body of sin, because it must die with the Old Man. You dont agree with this, can you explain why?


Can Anyone Understand Gospel
  
(Romans 6:5-6)...our old man is crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Kathrine
Paul says, Sin is destroyed...so that we should not serve sin. Now if we sin, after we believe sin has been destroyed,....has our Old Man been crucified?

If we do...what purpose does it serve for the Old Man to die...or for sin to be destroyed?


Can Anyone Understand Gospel
  
Kathrine
The word Died, is another major area in which we disagree. I define, death, as not exhibiting life. If sin has died in someone, how can they sin, if that which caused them to sin, has died?

Jesus called, Everyone who sins, a slave to sin. But again, this is the foundation on which I have built, so its very difficult to discuss this subject with someone who has built on another.

But truly, I do enjoy our conversations. We agree on somethings, so that must suffice for now.


Can Anyone Understand Gospel
  
Kathrine
Confession of sin keeps us in the light of God, and without that light, we live in darkness. This becomes evident, when someone who doesnt confess sin or hasnt done so in a long time, experiences the obvious cleansing and forgiveness of sin, promised in (1 John 1:9).

When folks are in the light, after the cleaning, then they will feel guilt for their sin, a guilt not felt for sin before the confession. Why did they not feel the guilt? Because before the confession, they were in the dark, and didnt recognize the sin in their life.

This guilt, when one remains in the light, will cause less sin, which means you are keeping the Lords commandments, which brings you the love of God. The greater the love, the less we sin.


Can Anyone Understand Gospel
  
Kathrine
Many carry (John 3:16) as a mere guidon, without truly understanding its meaning and the value of this teaching, which when understood, can lead one straight to Gods promised salvation.

If someone believes Jesus is the Son of God, they should also see him as the sacrificial Lamb of God. If they believe he is the sacrificial Lamb of God, they will demonstrate their belief, by confessing their sin before him. If we do not confess our sin before him, we show God, we do not believe in him.

Many folks disagree with my assessment of (John 3:16), that is, until they confess their sin before God, whereby they actually experience the cleansing mentioned in (John 1:9). If confession was a one off, nothing would happen.


Can Anyone Understand Gospel
  
Then Jesus the promised Messiah came ....which all those OT things pointed to...the FINISHED WORKS OF CHRIST ON THE CROSS. and sin not covered year after year but ONCE AND FOR ALL.
---kathr4453 on 9/23/20


Kathrine
What does this mean to you, that Jesus died for sin once and for all?
I believe Jesus because the, Once and for All, sacrificial required for sin, but confession of sin is still required.

Do you believe confession of sin is a one off...or a daily requirement for the daily sinner?


Can Anyone Understand Gospel
  
So I believe ALL OF JOHN is pointing to the time of AFTER Jesus death and resurrection, as NO ONE can be IN CHRIST or Christ in them until after His resurrection. ---kathr4453

Kathrine
Exactly!
Which by itself, proves, the Gospel of Jesus Christ is the way unto salvation. It could not have died with him, because everything he taught was not possible, until after his ascension.

Many folks wonder if they follow a false doctrine. And the only way to know, is to see if it makes the Gospel of Christ, the Truth...or a Lie. Many, unknowingly, make the teachings of Jesus a complete lie.


Can Anyone Understand Gospel
  
(1 Corinthians 2:9) But as it is written: Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man the things which God hath prepared for them that love Him.

Kathrine
I must admit, it is difficult to find a passage which says exactly what I said, but when you use the Gospel of Christ as a foundation for your teachings, it becomes clear.

The passage above is an example of this. The passage doesnt say who God loves, so if you havent read the Gospels, you must revert back to the foundational teachings of Jesus Christ (Baby Food), to understand who God loves...(John 14:21 & 23).


Can Anyone Understand Gospel
  
David, I'm asking you to put scripture here stating explicitly that "God saves those He Loves."
---kathr4453


(John (14:23) Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love Me, he will keep My words, and My Father will love him, and We will come unto him and make Our abode with him.
Abode.... a place in which a person resides, residence, dwelling, habitation, home.

Kathryn
If a person is saved, will they not live where God lives? And to whom does Jesus make this offer? It is To those whom God loves. I am glad you accept (John 3:16), but folks like you and Samuel need to read the rest of the Lords Gospel to understand the context of (John 3:16).


Can Anyone Understand Gospel
  
Kathrine
God saves those he loves, and in John, Jesus tells us why God loves us. So though I didnt say it directly, your inference is correct.

When I disagree with someone, I argue in the hope that I can convince them I am right. But in your case, this is impossible, because my Salvation message is founded on the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and yours is not. Believe me, if I thought there was a chance, I would argue with you til Jesus comes.

I debated you in the past, but since you made me aware of this fact, I find any discussion on salvation to be a fruitless endeavor. How can I convince you, when you do not accept the Lords Gospel as the Truth?


Can Anyone Understand Gospel
  
John 8:34-35 say nothing about God deciding who to save.--kathr4453

Kathrine
Where did I say it did?


Can Anyone Understand Gospel
  
Many folks go their entire lives on the wrong path, simply because they are told, through a false doctrine, they are on the right path. They put their faith, their salvation, and their Eternal Lives, in these doctrines, and not on the doctrine for which Jesus died. Jesus died, so that we could have a relationship with God the Father. Our relationship with God, is the key to salvation.

It is not you, nor I, who decides who will, and who will not be saved. This decision is made by God the Father, and he chooses, those whom he will save. Yes...Jesus loved us, and he died for us, but God the Father loves those who love him.

Jesus tells us who God loves in (John 8:34 & 35), the problem is...very few people believe him.


Close To End Times
  
StrongAxe
The very best thing you can do to your enemy, is to make them mad. Because when they are mad, it makes them easier to control. Ask any Psychologist.

I am not sure if Trump is immature, or Acting immature to create the anger needed To control those who oppose him. I look at all the things he has accomplished, Even though he has been opposed by both parties.

These career politicians havent dealt with someone as skilled a Trump at getting things done. Denzel Washington sees this, and so do I. When you get bested by someone you see as a fool, what does that make you? Very angry!!


Close To End Times
  
StrongAxe
Have you ever read the UK Times interview, they did with Denzel Washington? He is a black man, who has fought for black causes his whole life. In the interview, he said black folks need to get behind Trump.

Why would an intelligent, mature man like Denzel Washington, support Trump, if Trump is a racist?


Close To End Times
  
StrongAxe
I agree, and hope both sides wake up before we have a bloodbath on our hands after the next election.


Close To End Times
  
This inequity was one of the things that switched me from right to left then.---StrongAxe

StrongAxe
And thats the problem, its one or the other for most people, chooseIng a political party like they are rooting for a sports team. When there must be that mix between Capitalism and Socialism.

There are videos of folks being interviewed, who are Democrats, told of a Republican idea. Only They are told the idea came from Democrats. They love the idea when they believe it came from the Democrats, but hate the same idea when it comes from Republicans.

Why? Because they seek Anarchy, not Parity.


Close To End Times
  
StrongAxe
What you say is True, but you left out some facts which can be easily overlooked in the Big Picture.

In a red state, like Georgia, where I live, the majority of the lowest test scores come from largest cities. Cities like Atlanta, Albany, Columbus, Macon and Augusta.

These cities, like most large cities are controlled by the Democratic Party. And the majority of those needing government assistance, live in these cities too. Another thing to consider, is the fact the teachers in public schools, are under the control of unions, unions which are also run by the Democratic party.

And wasnt Capitalism a factor in creating the wealthy states?


Close To End Times
  
StrongAxe
A recent survey showed, 63% of the people living in California wanted to leave. I have no doubt, in the next election, those same folks will vote for the Democrats, because they blame republicans for the problems in California. Which is very confusing for many of us, in the middle, to understand, since Democrats have control of the state.

Can you explain, how they might believe republicans are at fault here and other Democratically controlled states with similar woes?


Close To End Times
  
Hear instruction and be wise, and refuse it not.
(Proverbs 8:33)



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