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Fail To Tell The Truth
  
David:

Nice theory, but it doesn't work in practice. For 2000 thousand years, Christianity has been the dominant religion in Europe and colonized areas (Americas, Australia, most of Africa). Despite this, those had much religious-inspired/justified violence - Inquisition, burning heretics, Irish sectarianism, slavery, slaughter and pillaging of Native Americans, etc.

Today, we have scandals about priests abusing children and preachers caught in child trafficking, adultery, affairs with pool boys, etc.

These are evidence they don't have the law in their hearts, and those who unquestioningly follow them obviously don't either.


Fail To Tell The Truth
  
David:

You qouted Hebrews 10:16. The big question is, what are "those days" and when is "after those days"? It certainly hasn't happened yet, because right now everyone learns the Law and Gospel by hearing and reading - they don't automatically know it by having it "written on their hearts". There is no group of people today like that. Nobody today believes from birth. Nobody has the Law from birth. They learn both in time as they grow up.

The Ten Commandments was written on stone tablets, and the Law of Moses was written on scrolls. Both require learning by reading or hearing.


Fail To Tell The Truth
  
Ruben:

An extremely ironic thing about JWs is they claim to be the only people on earth with "The Truth" (their name for the Word of God). They keep making predictions about the end of the world, that always fail to come true. Instead of admitting their errors, and the fact they might be just as fallible as everyone else, they just quietly revise their literature and stop publishing the old stuff and pretend it never happened. Their deception is so strong, they consider THEIR OWN LITERATURE from 50 years ago to be dangerous and subversive - and merely possessing it can be grounds for a member to be disfellowshipped! What legitimate church does that?

David8318: How do you justify that?


Fail To Tell The Truth
  
Trav:

You wrote: Truth cannot abide untruth.... therefore I post scripture that offends you.

Where did you ever get the idea that any particular scripture offends me, including the Ten Talents? You, however appear to be offended by my referring to Acts 2:44.

Sodom and Gomorrah were very liberal. You almost come out and admitted you are too. 1Co 6:9...

I don't see any mention of "liberal" here. You are inserting words into scripture that are not there. Talk about twisting scripture! Pot. Kettle. Black.


What Is A Seeker Friendly Church
  
Trav:

For someone who claims to not care, you seem to do an awful lot of judging and condemnation about it. Why is that?

The Bible mentions "liberal" many times, and always in a good way. 2000 years ago, the Pharisees were the self-righteous judgmental theologically-correct religious and political right, while Jesus and his disciples were the people-loving politically-incorrect religious-hypocrite-condemning rich-condemning left. Not much has changed in thousands of years.

The early church "kept everything in common" - the epitome of socialism.


Fail To Tell The Truth
  
Many people believe that they see the truth, and then act on it. However, many are also focused on the truth that they see, that they ignore other truths that are just as important, and sometimes even more important.

Which particular truth are you seeing that you feel that it's important to act on?


Salvation In The Church
  
Trav:

Kenneth Hagin wrote a book called "The Woman Question" about the issue of women being silent in the church. He pointed out that the Greeks used the same word for "woman" and "wife", so 1 Ti 2:12 could be read "I suffer not a wife to teach, nor to usurp authority over the husband" - which makes much more sense, as it aligns with other scriptures that deal with intra-family order. "Woman" and "man" contradicts other parts of the New Testament, where there are deaconesses, and women like Priscila heading congregations.

Why is almost EVERY single one of your posts an accusation? There is one figure in the Bible who does that. Guess who?


What Is A Seeker Friendly Church
  
Trav:

YOU started the "judge people by their news sources" thing first, so YOU state your sources first. If you think my sources are bad, you must have others you think are better - so prove it!

I don't get my news from any one news source. When I hear a story, I check multiple sources for multiple perspectives, e.g. Biblically required "two or three witnesses". Do you? Fox said nobody in their right minds takes Tucker seriously. If you do, you have problems.

Citizenship is irrelevant. I live here and pay taxes, but get no vote. The Revolution was fought over the injustice of taxation without representation, yet you dare apply the same unequal judgment to me that your ancestors fought against?


What Is A Seeker Friendly Church
  
Trav:

People "with the law in their heart" don't constantly lie, except when forced to tell the truth at the point of a lawsuit. They know "thou shalt not bear false witness" (and every other law) without being told by a judge. Every one of those in my last message lied and used "I was only kidding" as an excuse. Does that sound "Christian" to you? Would you want others to treat you that way, lying about you, and saying "we were only kidding" when cornered? If not, it's not acceptable "Christian" behavior.

You constantly criticize who you think *I* get my news from, yet you keep avoiding the question of where do *YOU* get your news from? Why do you not answer?


What Is A Seeker Friendly Church
  
Trav:

Fox News, Alex Jones, Sidney Powell, NewsMax, etc. don't "freely admit" guilt. They do so as a last resort, an excuse to avoid billions in libel judgments. Instead of admitting "We deliberately lied, so we're guilty of false witness", they weasel out with "It wasn't a lie, because it was just a joke."

Nowhere does the bible say "Thou shalt not bear false witness - unless you don't mean it", but these use that a "get out of jail free" excuse.

I AM NOT A COMMUNIST. You keep asserting this lie. "Thou shalt not bear false witness" seems to matter little to you.


What Is A Seeker Friendly Church
  
Trav:

You wrote: You or no one chooses..... maybe its the prob with your doctrine..... needs a little light.

Calvinism again. Yes, God invites us, but WE choose whether to accept that invitation. Otherwise, we're just puppets on strings, and puppets cannot be blamed for their own actions, because they are not THEIR actions.

If we have no say, why are you here, as nothing you say to anyone can convince anyone of anything, as only God could do that?

Why do you keep telling me I'm wrong? Is it to correct my behavior? If so, it implies I have some choice in it. If not, but just condemnation, you forget "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus". Make up your mind.


What Is A Seeker Friendly Church
  
Trav:

You complain about the "godless media", but where do you get YOUR information from?

I hope it's not Fox News, because they have frequently said things that they later had to admit were lies - something "godly media" would never have to do.

They recently won a defamation lawsuit by successfully arguing that "nobody in their right minds would take anything Tucker Carlson says seriously". Alex Jones and Sidney Powell have used similar excuses when sued for bearing false witness.

They just had to retract a piece that alleged Biden wanted to stop people from eating meat, and you'd only be allowed 4 pounds of meat a year, and one hamburger every four months.


Filled With Holy Spirit
  
David:

Jesus didn't "eliminate" the Law. He specifically said that not one iota would be removed from the Law. What he DID do was create a new and better covenant, which we can choose to be part of. Those under the old covenant were under the Law. Those under the new covenant are not under the Law, but under Grace.


What Is A Seeker Friendly Church
  
Trav:

I'm not "adding my own doctrines". I point out what NT says. You just pick verses you like and reject ones you don't.

Much of the NT alters and updates OT. In OT, each tribe of Israel was distinguished by its patriarch. In NT, in most cases, they are collectively known as Jews.

Your quoted scriptures mention NO tribes by name.

Everywhere "King of the Jews", never "King of Israel".
John 2:13 "the Jews' Passover". Not "Israel's".

"Who are called Jews" has absolutely nothing to do with "climbing in another way spoken of by Christ". This is not about salvation. For that, see Galatians 3:28 "neither Jew nor Greek".


What Is A Seeker Friendly Church
  
Trav:

Just as is done today, in the New Testament, the word "Jews" was used informally for ALL of Israel, not just the tribe of Judah. In particular, the priesthood was run exclusive by men from the tribe of Levi, yet the "Jews" who conspired against Jesus and tried to have him killed were pretty much exclusively from this group.

Stop trying to split a hair that the New Testament itself chose not to split.

The Messiah was prophesied to come from Judah - and Jesus was able to trace the legitimacy of his lineage that way (see Matthew). Once the Temple was destroyed in 70 AD, all lineage records were destroyed, making it impossible for anyone from ANY of the tribes to make claims based on lineage.


Who Is A Widow
  
Josef:

Marriage is a covenant that lasts for the rest of one's life - and no further. Vows typically include language like "As long as we both shall live" or "'Til death do us part". Jesus specifically said that in heaven, neither do men marry, nor are women given in marriage. OT permitted widows to remarry.

1 Corinthians 7:28 The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth, but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will, only in the Lord.

(Mormons believe in another kind of "celestial marriage" that lasts for eternity, but this is not biblical, and actually contradicts scripture.)


Nationality Of Jesus
  
Josef:

One of the principles established in the Old Testament is that if someone joins Israel (e.g. by becoming Jewish), they are now part of the tribe, and heirs to the promise. This same principle is echoed in the New Testament. Gentiles who accept Jesus are a wild branch that is grafted onto the tree, and heirs to the promise. Ruth was a Moabitess, but nevertheless an ancestor of Jesus.

The Khazar hypothesis of Ashkenazi ancestry is largely discredited, and has often been cited by anti-semites to de-legitimize modern Jews. Genetic studies of Ashkenazi Jews finds no genetic markers from Khazars/Caucasus, but many of Middle Eastern, Mediterranean, and South European origin.


Nationality Of Jesus
  
Josef:

Yes, I have also noticed the same thing. There are many discussions where I haven't replied - because I actually did, but the responses didn't show up. It's hard to tell why, as there is no mechanism to give or receive feedback on posts.

It seems like you believe that the people currently in the country of Israel are not, in fact, descendants of ancient Israel, and as such, aren't entitled to the promises that go with that heritage. Why do you believe that?


Was 2020 Election Stolen
  
Trav:

I have not taught law. However, outlandish claims, i.e. that "divorced Israel" have accepted Christ, demand proof. You also claim some people have "the law of God in their hearts". The Bible says these will eventually happen. What IS in dispute is your claim they already happened.

I showned this cannot have happened yet, as people who HAVE the law in their hearts no longer need teachers to teach it to them - yet there is no group alive today that is Christian by nature without having teachers.

What do jurors have to do with anything?



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