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Does DNA Prove Creationism
  
If one looks Adam was created in Genesis 2:7, Gen 1:26-31, describes a hunter gatherer creation..... answering timelines going past and beyond the normally taught Biblical timeline to tens or more thousands of years. Erasing these evolution arguments.---Trav

.....And this also explains where Cains wife came from and who the children of God are in (Genesis 6:4).
The Sons of God were those who came from Adam..not angels having relations with man.

...And Cains wife wife came from the men and women God created in (Genesis 1). Many church accounts of creation lead folks to believe we all came from incest.


Does DNA Prove Creationism
  
As implausible as the creation story may seem, I see it as the only plausible account for creation. Many of us hear the Adam and Eve stories as written in children's books, through which the church developed tunnel vision.

This teaching leaves us with more questions than answers as we mature. Questions like, where did Cains wife come from...or were the Sons of God written about in (Genesis 6:4)...Angels?

We dont see the answers to these questions, because most of our teachings are founded on the teaching of man. Foolish teachings, these teachers claim...came from God. The very fact that they are foolish, should tell us they could not have come from God.


Baptism Gone Wrong
  


Are these Baptisms a private affair, or do family members attend?

If so...after reading the Bible, I found where God said this...And if a man shall take his sister, his fathers daughter or his mothers daughter, and see her nakedness and she see his nakedness, it is a wicked thing, and they shall be cut off in the sight of their people....
(Leviticus 20:17)


Now if seeing one naked, was a wicked thing in the Old Testament, wouldnt it still be wicked in the New Testament? God made many Laws against public nudity in (Leviticus 18:6-18) that you may want to read.




Does DNA Prove Creationism
  
StrongAxe
Its easy for the Creationist to explain how man was created, and for the most part, we all agree on the Genesis account, But there is more than one theory for evolution.

For you, which one best explains the creation of mankind?


Does DNA Prove Creationism
  
Kathrine
Did you know apes share over 98% of our human DNA? You have to agree, thats Pretty strong evidence for evolution. But then again, since I believe the Genesis account, I see that as pretty strong evidence for us as well.

I see this evidence as proof that God created everything, and see DNA as his fingerprints in creation. But As I recall, StrongAxe believes in evolution. And I wanted to know if DNA has changed his mind or made it more resolute.


How Can We Sin
  
(Matthew 7:21) Not every one that saith unto Me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the Kingdom of Heaven, but he that doeth the will of My Father who is in Heaven.

Everyone
95% of the churches today, believe this is a false teaching. Is Jesus a false teacher, or is it your doctrine that is false? You decide.


How Can We Sin
  
Kathrine
Like I said before, the issue is not what you or I see as the Gospel. That argument has produced No fruit. The argument which will produce fruit, is in showing folks, their doctrines actually teach that Christ was not telling the Truth. That should be an eye opener!!

(Matthew 5:18) For verily I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass away, not one jot or one tittle shall in any wise pass from the law till all be fulfilled

Your doctrine teaches Christ fulfilled the Law when he died on the Cross. Jesus taught the Law will not be fulfilled until Heaven and Earth have passed away. Is Jesus right, or is he wrong?


How Can We Sin
  
The beginning of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God. As it is written in the Prophets: Behold, I send My messenger before Thy face, who shall prepare Thy way before Thee.
(Mark 1:1-2)


How Can We Sin
  
...you must have taught ANOTHER GOSPEL not defined in scripture as THE GOSPEL.---kathr4453

(Mark 1:1) The beginning of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.

Kathrine
Was Mark also wrong, when he titled his writings The Gospel of Christ?

(Mark 16:15) And He said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the Gospel to every creature.

To every creature?...the Gentiles are creatures, are they not?
Now if the Gentiles had to wait for a salvation message from Paul, why would Jesus give these instructions to Mark, while Jesus was still alive?
And why were Gentiles being saved, before Paul received his message?


How Can We Sin
  
Kathrine
I have shown you, through the teachings of Jesus Christ, where your doctrine is clearly opposed to what Jesus taught. If Jesus came to your church, in the flesh, and taught what he taught in his Gospel, you would call him a false prophet.

I know this, because when I have taught at Protestant churches, I was asked to leave.....for teaching the Gospel of Christ. This should be a wakeup call for all Christians, but still they slumber comfortably in doctrines which make Jesus appear to be the false teacher.

(Luke 6:46) Why do you call me, Lord, Lord, and do not do what I say?


How Can We Sin
  
Trav
My mission here on CN, is wake folks up before it is too late. I believe Kathrine has shown me a way to do this, and for this reason, I honestly find myself deeply indebted to her.

Though she may not see the Gospel of Christ, as those four books at the beginning of the New Testament, it is not as though those books have no value to wake her, and the many who are lost following the false doctrines.

How???
Those four books are the teachings of Jesus Christ, no matter what one may call them. And by using that very Light, we can expose what lurks in the darkness of the false doctrine. When a Christian can see for themselves, their doctrine opposes what Jesus taught, they just may turn back to the Gospel.


How Can We Sin
  
Kathrine
Believe me, I was not throwing you under the Bus for what you believe. Most Christians believe as you do. I was merely stating the facts.

So it is not me against you, its the False teachings against the Gospel of Christ. You pointed out the foundation on which the church is now built, is not the Gospel of Christ, to which I am honestly thankful.

And Yes,...the Grace teachings in your church are completely opposed to the teachings of Jesus Christ. I will prove it. Is the teaching below...according to your doctrine..True or False?
(John 8:34) Jesus replied, Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin.


How Can We Sin
  
Paul wasn't on different mission...---Trav

Trav
I have never said, nor do I believe Paul was on a different mission. I said I founded my teachings on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. What I know to be those Four Books at the beginning of the New Testament.

I believe Pauls epistles are also founded on what Jesus taught in those four books. Most doctrines, like the one Kathrine teaches, use Pauls epistles without any reconciliation from the Gospel taught by Jesus.

This has created many doctrines, which teach the opposite of what Jesus taught in those four Books. And its very difficult to argue the Truth in the Gospel of Christ, when most Churches dont view the Gospel as the Truth.


How Can We Sin
  
Kathrine
Sorry, I didnt mean to ask another question which would make you uncomfortable. I was reading Romans yesterday, came across the verse, and thought I would ask the question.

And no..I really wasnt looking for an AHH..HAA...moment, but I do understand why you may have thought so. I have gone down that road for years, unable to change your mind. And you have given me an answer as to why I could not change yours, or....anyones mind.

You have made me realize churches, Catholic and Protestant are simply not founded on the teachings of Jesus Christ. So its foolish for me to argue using his words as a foundation, when many believe Pauls teachings negated the teachings of Jesus Christ.


How Can We Sin
  
Kathrine
Some of my questions have bothered you, to which I was truly seeking an answer for my own understanding. I see a lot of conflict between your teachings and mine, and I really dont know which ones might be penetrating.

In the future, I will try my best to stay away from these types of questions, which is why I tried to steer the conversation toward the thousand year reign of Christ, which can be discussed openly.

Though before we do, there is one big question I would like to ask. Paul says the Gospel of Christ is the Power of God unto Salvation in (Romans 1:16). What do you see as the Gospel of Christ?


How Can We Sin
  
StrongAxe
I have met a few, but we are very hard to find, because those born of God do not attend church. They, like me, are more like the disciples in the bible, we go to those to whom God leads us. And no...I have never brought the dead back to life.

We are not the cradle to grave teachers as you see in church. We merely put folks on the right path...and let Gods Holy Spirit lead them to the salvation they are seeking. Most do not find what they seek, because they have allowed their church teachers to take on the role of Gods Holy Spirit.

Without the Holy Spirit, we are like folks who have eyes yet can not see, ears yet can not hear. The path is easy to find, but few find it simply because they follow the teachings of man.


How Can We Sin
  
..if you don't sin, why are you also promoting daily confession?---kathr4453

Kathrine
A Good and fair question.
Because many folks, though they sin, believe they have been born of God. If I tell someone who sins, they are not born of God...naturally they will not believe me.

But through the confession of sin, there is a cleansing which takes place, a cleansing which brings the sinner from the darkness...into the light. Once In the light, they will have a heightened sense of the evil in their life, evil unseen before the confession. This experience is the conviction of sin by the Holy Spirit, the foundation of a relationship with God.

The Holy Spirit can teach the Truth, I can only show the Truth.


How Can We Sin
  
Note that it doesn't say they can't sin. It says they can't "go on sinning" (i.e. "habitually sin").---StrongAxe

StrongAxe
According to Jesus, A sinner is someone who is a slave to sin. They are slaves because Satan is more powerful than they are..thus he is able to cause them to sin.

You proclaim you sin, but you are not a slave sin. Since you are not a slave, you must be someone who consciously chooses to sin against God. Can you explain why, as a Christian believer, one who is free to serve God, is willingly serving Satan?

Or do you believe sin serves God?


How Can We Sin
  
As long as we are still in these human bodies, and still on this earth, and not fully redeemed and glorified, we will sin.---kathr4453

Kathrine
I have heard this Habitual sin teaching before. Its confusing because I consider a repetitive behavior, as in the case of sin, a habit. Why isnt repetitive sin considered a habit by many church denominations?

The Letters of John were written to the Church - i.e. already saved Christians.---StrongAxe

StrongAxe
Thats true, if you believe being saved is not the same thing as being Born of God. Through my personal experience, I believe those born of God do not sin. I will admit, had I not the experience, I would probably believe those born of God still serve Satan.


How Can We Sin
  
Kathrine
In the BOC..very discernible answer. (1 John 3:9-10)KJV, I believe the verse as written, but you dont, for you believe someone Born of God can sin. How do you read the verse?

I believe only those who share in the experience of going through the Tribulation period, and die during those days, will be in the first resurrection. I believe the 1000 year reign, is the time between when the Tribulation begins and the Lords returns.

But since I have been given no spiritual revelation on the subject, my belief is nothing more than a mere guess.



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