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Can The Lost Get Saved
  
What are these deeds of Faith through which we are saved, These deeds through which we are Credited, as Abraham was?
(Luke 6:32-35)
If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners love those who love them. And if you do good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners do that. And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, expecting to be repaid in full. But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be children of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked.


Works...???


Can The Lost Get Saved
  
Kathrine
I am merely a teacher, not a JW or a stalker. A teacher trying to lead folks who are on one of the many wrong paths...back to the one and only path. And believe it or not, that Includes you.

You see me as your adversary, when I see you as a person who has simply been led astray. And though I have little hope of turning you, there are many, though they too may follow a false doctrine, can see the Truth in what I say.

You have been a great help to me over the years, in finding the root of these false doctrines. Pauls teachings about Abraham and Credited Righteousness was very illuminating. Just one more teaching that folks with a false doctrine, dont understand. If I am wrong..give is a comprehensive explanation.


Can The Lost Get Saved
  
I am having a hard time following what you believe.---trey on 11/20/20

Trey
This is because Kathrines doctrine is not founded on anyones teachings in the bible. She quotes a few verses from Pauls epistles, as support, but I have shown her, by using other things Paul wrote, she is taking his verses out of their intended context.

I believe I have finally discovered the deception, rooted within all false doctrines, thanks to Kathrine, who answered my questions...Truthfully.

The root?
The Gospel of Jesus Christ, is New Covenant we are meant to keep, and many reject it.
He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.
(2 Thessalonians 1:8)


Rude To Ask If One Is Saved
  
StrongAxe
Good question.
It all has to do with the phrase...Credited righteousness. Pauls teaches Abrahams faith, was....Credited to him as righteousness in (Romans 4).

In (James 2,14-26), James says a Faith without deeds has no value. What does James mean by this? If it has no value, it is a Faith....which is not credited as Righteousness. Notice James, used Abraham as his example too.

Like Abraham, the faith which is credited to us as Righteousness, are those deeds we do, because we believe God will keep the covenant He has made with us, like the covenant God kept with Abraham in (Genesis 17).

Credited righteousness meant, Abraham grew in Gods Grace.


Rude To Ask If One Is Saved
  
Paul says obedience leads to righteousness, but DOESN'T say we are saved through obedience---StrongAxe

StrongAxe
Actually...He say just that in (Romans 2:6-10). How do you explain that?
God will repay each person according to what they have done. To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile, but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile.


Rude To Ask If One Is Saved
  
StrongAxe
You are close friends with Cluny, so I thought you went to the same church. And you seem to have many of same views as Hank Hanegraaff...who is Eastern Orthodox. Personally I dont see that it really matters, when all the wrong paths lead to death.

When you walk in the dark, you will only see what Satan wants you to see. Look at the verse below, a verse you and Kathrine have obviously never seen in the light. Paul says it is obedience which leads to Righteousness, and disobedience/sin which leads to death.

(Romans 6:16) Know ye not that to whomever ye yield yourselves as servants to obey, his servants ye become whom ye obey, whether of sin which leads unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?


Rude To Ask If One Is Saved
  
StrongAxe
Really?
The foundation of Pauls teachings are on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. The foundation of your church is on the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese, who have crafted a doctrine to suit their needs. So its difficult to argue with someone like you.

Proof of what I say, which comes directly from the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese.
The Orthodox Church doesnt see sin as the breaking of a rule, a violation that needs a pardon. Instead, it sees sin as sickness that needs healing.

How does the Bible view sin?
(1 John 3:4-5) Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law, for sin is the transgression of the law.
Is a pardon needed?
It is according to (1 John 1:9).


Rude To Ask If One Is Saved
  
Kathrine freely admits her church teachings are not founded on the Gospel of Christ that his disciples taught (Acts 8:25).

You see folks, Without a foundation on Truth, you are able to take teachings like Pauls and create a doctrine which best fits your lifestyle.
For example...In (Romans 10:13) Paul teaches Everyone who Call upon the name of the Lord, will be saved. Without a foundation, you can create your own path to its meaning.

Jesus said, Folks who arent obedient to his teachings, can not even call him Lord, in (Luke 6:46). So how can someone who doesnt keep his commandments, call on the name of the Lord to be saved, when they must keep his commandments to call him Lord? ((Romans 2: 6-7)


Rude To Ask If One Is Saved
  
Kathrine
I am showing folks, with illustrations, why there are so many false doctrines. The reason is simple, and with your help, I was able to demonstrate this.

Most people, seeking Salvation, naturally come to a church to find it. Being new Seeds, many of them are ignorant of the Lords teachings, so they put their trust into that particular church/path for their salvation..(Matthew 13:19).

For those who follow a false doctrine, studying their bibles, will be no help if they study according to the false doctrine, which does not make the Gospel of Christ the root of their teachings.(Matthew 13:21)

Those who follow the Holy Spirit, will grow in the fertile ground and become the Sons of God. (Matthew 13:18-23)


Massive Democrat Fraud
  
Think about it folks, think about what would be required to steal an election. There would need to be thousands of conspirators, thousands who would need to keep the same secret. And that by itself, is impossible.


Rude To Ask If One Is Saved
  
DAVID I HAVE BEEN FREED FROM SIN.---kathr4453 on 11/14/20

Notice two things in her post(s). First, notice how it took her 3 posts to answer a simple Yes or No question, which Jesus says is a sign of deception.

Secondly, Though She will readily admit to being a sinner, she proclaimed She has been set free from sin. Which means, though she sins...she is not a slave of sin. Which would mean, though her answer was Yes, It should have been No.

Kathrine had to answer in this manner, because her doctrine is not founded on the Truth in the Gospel of Jesus, through which will will all be judged. (2 Thessalonians 1:8)
You will always get a deceptive answer, when it is not based on Truth.


Rude To Ask If One Is Saved
  
As we can see in Kathrines answer, by not referencing the Salvation teachings of Jesus Christ. Many doctrines simply dont trust the teachings of Jesus Christ. Though he is called, in the Bible, The Author or Authority of Salvation.

They believe in Jesus Christ, but somehow, they dont believe what he taught in his Gospel. Here is one of many examples, if Kathrine will comply.
Jesus taught in (John 8:34) , Anyone who sins, is a Slave to sin?

Kathrine, do you believe this to be the Truth? Yes or No
All you need to say is simply Yes or No, anything beyond this comes from the evil one.
(Matthew 5:37)


Rude To Ask If One Is Saved
  
Kathrine
Here on CN we have a platform to teach millions of folks about God. I try to unscramble confusing teachings like yours, simply to make a clear path for those who seek God.

To show folks, just how confusing your teachings on salvation are, I will ask you a simple question. Please make it as clear as you can, so folks can see the difference in our teachings. You do not believe that I am saved, so tell me, What must I do to be saved, without doing anything?


Can The Lost Get Saved
  
Yes, this takes obedience. However we don't earn God's love by yielding to Gods will....---kathr4453

Kathrine
Now you seem to think I speak on my own accord, but Here are the words of Jesus Christ. So far you dont seem to believe anything he taught, but I hope you will start soon.

(John 15:10) If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Fathers commands and remain in his love.

Now seriously, if Jesus was expected to keep Gods commandments, just to remain,....in his Love, dont you think it might just be possible, God expects the same from you?

Dont wait till judgment day to discover the Truth...for then it will be too late.


Rude To Ask If One Is Saved
  
There you have it. You can follow the teachings Kathrine follows...or the teachings of Jesus Christ. Jesus gave instructions on how to pray, see if you can find a confession of sin is his instructions.

He said to them, When you pray, say:
Father, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come. Give us each day our daily bread. Forgive us our sins, for we also forgive everyone who sins against us. And lead us not into temptation.
(Luke 11:2-4)


Can The Lost Get Saved
  
StrongAxe
People need to understand, its not just the obedience which causes God to Love us, its the motivation, behind our obedience. When we keep the Lords commandments....Because we love him...Then, God the Father, will love us. (John 14:21)

When you Love God you should feel remorseful when you sin against him. Paul called this Godly Sorrow..the true definition of the word Repentance (2 Corinthians 7:10). This is what was wrong with the Old Covenant...It did not change the heart of the sinner.(Hebrews 10)

(Luke 5:32) I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. (Romans 10:16) I will put my Laws...Into Their Hearts.


Can The Lost Get Saved
  
Isn't this "salvation by works"? ..StrongAxe

StrongAxe
Obedience only enables us to have a relationship with God, it does not to save us.
Why is obedience necessary to have a relationship with God?
Because our iniquities separate us from him.
(Isaiah 59:2) But your iniquities have separated you from your God, your sins have hidden his face from you, so that he will not hear.

Why must we have a relationship with God?
Because God decides who he will save.
(Romans 9:16) It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on Gods mercy.

Without the acceptable sacrifice of Jesus Christ, and the confession of sin, this relationship would be impossible.


Can The Lost Get Saved
  
Yes, go back and see Davids posts stating how one can EARN Gods love, and if we earn it then God will born again you as a reward.---kathr4453

.....Which is exactly what Jesus taught.

In the verse below, according to the only begotten Son of God, who does God love? It is those who love him.
21Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them. (John 14:21)

And who does Jesus say are the ones who love him? It is Those who keep his commandments.
According to Kathrine...this is not true...She believes, like the many, not the few, that God the Father loves everyone. False!!


Can The Lost Get Saved
  
David wants to EARN salvation and his born again experience. But scripture does not teach this.---kathr4453

At least not the scripture Kathrine has read. Fortunately I am here to educate her.

Therefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
(Philippians 2:12)

God will repay each person according to what they have done. To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.
(Romans 2:6-7)



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