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Satan On Over Drive
  
Trav
Many who sin, believe they have been born again, because of the aforementioned teachers. Though their doctrines may support this, the Bible...does not. This is why they prefer to quote from verses which they can spin, and not from a clearly written teaching as exampled below.

(1 John 3:8-10) He that committs sin is of the devil, for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin, for His seed remaineth in him, and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. By this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil...


Satan On Over Drive
  
Trav
Well that certainly clears up what you believe, and again...well founded. I simply stumbled into mine, thanks to Gods Holy Spirit.

I say stumbled, because I dont believe anyone is wise enough to understand the things of God. The false teacher studies the bible, and tries to figure it out on their own, when Gods Truth comes only through Gods Holy Spirit.

This is why Calvin,Spurgeon,Westley, and Henry created false doctrines, this foolishness which still permeates the church to this very day. Reading the Bible without the guidance of the Holy Spirit, is like a child trying to learn how to read and write without any instruction. Though many follow a false doctrine, I have hope for a few (1 Corinthians 1:21)


Satan On Over Drive
  
Unless Trav is planning to go to Israel, claiming to be the lost sheep, which by law unless he can prove through DNA he is any one of the 13 Trav tribes---kathr4453

And nobody needs a DNA test to know we are all related to Noah.
And Jesus said in (Luke 17:26).....And as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of Man.

Notice Jesus did not say...in the days of Abraham, So shall it be also in the days of the Son of Man.


Satan On Over Drive
  
Trav
To be honest, since the Bible was translated into many different languages by man, we can not fully rely on it. The multiple denominations, which are divided by mans interpretation of the Bible, is proof of this.

You and I are actually arguing what men say....God said...in the bible. God did not intend for man to follow an interpretation of a book written by men, but to follow his Holy Spirit who gives us the Truth, not an interpretation of the Truth.

Many have biblical knowledge, but Very few have been given any spiritual knowledge beyond the knowledge of sin. And Even that knowledge, which can bring them their salvation, is neutralized by their no law doctrines.


Satan On Over Drive
  
(Romans 9:27) Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved.

Trav
What does the word Remnant mean in your dictionary? Of the two passages below, which one would you use as an example of a remnant?

(Revelation 7:9)
After this I beheld, and lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations and kindreds and people and tongues, stood before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes and with palms in their hands.
Or
(Revelation 7: 4) And I heard the number of them that were sealed: there were sealed a hundred and fortyfour thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.


Satan On Over Drive
  
Paul was chosen by Christ. ---Trav

Trav
Good answer!!!
Paul is like no other disciple, not only did he not believe in Jesus, but he killed those who did. Why do you think Jesus chose this man, a murder, to be his disciple? What did Paul bring to the table?

However AFTER Jesus resurrection THE MYSTERY was revealed to Paul that out of Jews and Gentiles is a NEW CREATURE....THE CHURCH O---kathr4453

Kathrine
I totally agree. This is definitely part of the Mystery, the Mystery revealed by the Holy Spirit, to those whom God has chosen. (1 Corinthians 2:7).
Though we may be separated from the Twelve tribes on Earth, we will become one nation in Heaven. (Revelation 21:24)


Satan On Over Drive
  
Trav
I dont deny the bible says, what you say it says about the twelve tribes of Israel. We have scripture too, which says what we say it says. Multiple scripture with multiple witnesses, which shows the Gentile mentioned in the bible, is not one of the twelve tribes of Israel.

The Lords 12 disciples were commissioned to go to the twelve tribes of Israel, one disciple..one judge..one member...of and for each tribe. (Matthew 19:28) Now If they were chosen and commissioned for this reason, why was it necessary for Paul and Barnabas to be given a commission by Jesus?

Why did the Jews react as they did in (Acts 13:44-50), if the Gentiles they were commissioned to teach...were Jews?


Are You Truly Saved
  
Trav
I dont deny the bible says, what you say it says about the twelve tribes of Israel. We have scripture too, which says what we say it says. Multiple scripture with multiple witnesses, which shows the Gentile mentioned in the bible, is not one of the twelve tribes of Israel.

The Lords 12 disciples were commissioned to go to the twelve tribes of Israel, one disciple..one judge..one member...of and for each tribe.
Now If they were chosen and commissioned for this reason, why was it necessary for Paul to be given a commission by Jesus?

(2 Timothy 1:11) For this I am appointed a preacher and an apostle and a teacher of the Gentiles..


Are You Truly Saved
  
(Matthew 10:5-6) These twelve Jesus sent forth and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not. But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Here Jesus commands his disciples to go to the Lost Sheep of Israel, and not the Gentiles. So obviously, the Gentile mentioned can not refer to the lost sheep of Israel. So who are these Gentiles, since they are not the lost sheep of Israel?

Are they the same ones Saul and Barnabas were commissioned to teach?

(Acts 13:2) As they ministered to the Lord and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Set apart for Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.


Are You Truly Saved
  
People talk about being saved. But being saved from what?
---JS1234 on 6/13/19


Noah and his family are given as examples of folks whom God saved.
What were they saved from? Death!
And why did God save them?

(Ezekiel 14:20)....though Noah, Daniel, and Job were in it, as I live, saith the Lord God, they shall deliver neither son nor daughter. They shall but deliver their own souls by their righteousness.

(Luke 17:26) And as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of Man

(Acts 10:35) but in every nation he that feareth Him and worketh righteousness is accepted by Him.


Saved Before Born
  
Trav
God chooses....and thats the point we both agree on. Unlike any other belief I have ever heard, yours is clearly supported by both the Old and New Testament. So its impossible to argue against.

You and I simply disagree on who will be saved. You believe (Revelation 7) only refers to Israel and Judah. And I believe the chapter refers to Israel....Judah...and the Gentile.
Why?
Simple deduction

10+2=12..., so the number Twelve represents both Israel and Judah..correct?
When Revelation mentions the Twelve tribes who are being sealed,...it names ALL of the Twelve Tribes...correct?
Since all of the tribes have been accounted for in (Revelation 7: 4-8),

Who are those mentioned in (Revelation 7:9)?


Saved Before Born
  
3. ....remembering that the greater part of Israel, the Nth House was divorced... therefore outside of the commonwealth...---Trav

So are you saying, you believe the circumcised and uncircumcised refer to Israel and Judah? And the word which was changed to Gentiles, is actually referring to Judah?


Saved Before Born
  
GOD chooses.... Trav

I whole heartedly agree. As for multiple witnesses...As in (Revelation 7:9) there are multiple scriptures which show a disseverance between Abrahams children and ???

...Luke
(Acts 13:26) Men and brethren, children of the stock of Abraham and....whosoever among you feareth God, to you is the word of this salvation sent.

...Paul
(Romans 4:11-12) And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had, yet being uncircumcised, that he might be the father of all those who believe, though they are not circumcised,...
Israel was circumcised...So who are the Uncircumcised?


Saved Before Born
  
I agree Trav, Most of the New Testament was directed at the twelve tribes. But of those twelve tribes, according to (Revelation 7:4), only 144,000 of these folks will be saved.

And In (Revelation 7:9) It says, After this I beheld, and lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations and kindreds and people and tongues, stood before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes and with palms in their hands.

Who do you believe makes up the Great multitude? I believe it will be those we know as gentiles, as foretold in the Lords (Matthew 22) parable, those mentioned in (Matthew 22:8-10).


Saved Before Born
  
What does Paul mean by predestination?
If you or I seed a garden, we know what fruit each seed will produce,... before we plant it. It is therefore Pre-determined, the fruit our garden will produce.

When the seed produces fruit, in many ways, it is like a birth. Gods seed, his word, works in much the same way when followed to fruition...AKA, being Born of God/Again.
How do we receive Gods seed?
Through the gift of Gods Holy spirit.

What does God means when he says, I knew you in the womb?
Since this is a time after conception/receiving Gods Holy Spirit, yet before we are born of God, this time is the womb which Paul is referring to. (John 3:4-8)


Saved Before Born
  
Trav
I agree, let the scripture speak for itself. Two or three witnesses...is what is missing in 99% of all doctrines. Unfortunately when most folks begin to go to church, they go in blind, and follow whatever doctrine that church teaches.

Its a pattern we follow from childhood, being ignorant of everything around us we must naturally be taught by someone. But as we mature, we must put childish things behind us, and seek to find the Truth on our own. Too many folks are content following the teachings of man, like they did when they were children.

(1 Corinthians 13:11) When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child, but when I became a man, I put away childish things


Saved Before Born
  
Kathrine
Why are you still stalking me?


Saved Before Born
  
Trav
I have found Everything you say is backed with scripture...AKA...the Truth. Strangely, the great majority of Christian doctrines, like Kathrines who claim to follow Jesus, are opposed to the teachings of Jesus Christ.

I do not see your doctrine wrong, only different from mine. The bible clearly teaches in Revelation, the twelve tribes are different from the Gentile believer. Many may discount this fact, but I dont.

Larry/Kathrine
Nice try Kathrine, but Larrys post has all the ear marks of your personality. Unfortunately your deception made Samuel take the bait.


Saved Before Born
  
People..People..People, get a hold of reality.
Kathrine has called me all those names, plus a few more over the years. I was merely tagging all these names together as now she believes me to be a Mormon. I was not calling the Mormons those names.

But I can see where you may have thought that. She had also accused me of bring a Sodomite, a JV and a SDA, but thankfully I didnt add them to the list, else you would be saying I called JV and SDA believers sodomites.


Saved Before Born
  
Ive never once stated on CN i was Israel or Jewish. As witnessed scripture About Israel infuriates some---Trav on 12/18/20

Trav
I dont read everything here on CN. Kathrine had stated you were Jewish, so I took her at her word. If everyone made this same mistake, they would think I was a moronically delusional psycho Mormon.



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