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Does DNA Prove Creationism
  
David:

My point is that the Bible talks about "the wages of sin is death" and that sin is an inherited property - i.e. children inherit it from their parents. So if only Adam sinned, and there ARE humans from some other source, THOSE humans didn't inherit sin, so why do THEY need to be saved from it?

Trav:

God didn't just CHOOSE Adam, he CREATED Adam. ALL races on earth are described as descended from Adam. Please show me any other group of Christians anywhere in the world (that aren't considered a sect) who believe there are other humans God created that AREN'T descended from Adam. God only made a covenant with Israel, but he created ALL.


Does DNA Prove Creationism
  
David:

Romans 5:12
Wherefore, as **by one man sin entered into the world**, and death by sin, and so death passed **upon all men, for that all have sinned**:

If there actually were more than one line of men (e.g. one from Adam, and one or more from other(s)), then only the line from Adam was polluted by sin, not the other(s), as sin entered the world "by ONE man".

It's strange, then, that God would destroy all of mankind, and ONLY save descendants of the sinner, while killing off all the descendants of the man/men who never sinned in the first place? Because that's the conclusion you would need to reach if there were some second origin for some human beings.


The Book Of Michael
  
There have been many people throughout history that wrote books and claimed they were divinely inspired. This has been happening much more frequently lately.

When a prophet presumed to speak in the name of God, you knew exactly who they were, and if they spoke something God didn't tell them (e.g. making false predictions), they were held accountable, and stoned to death.

There is none of that here. Just a web site, with no mention of who wrote it, when it was revealed, or anything. No accountability. Beware things like this. It might be good fiction, but only treat it as such.


Is It Sinful to Watch Cartoons
  
Cartoons are fiction. Cartoon animals aren't mean't to represent actual animals - they're anthropomorphised, i.e. given the attributes of humans for narrative purposes, meant to illustrate human characteristics. (E.g. you may see insect children with mothers and parents, even though insects don't form human-like family units).

The Bible even has some examples of talking animals (e.g. the Serpent in Eden, and Balaam's donkey), even though those animals didn't have human speech organs either. One can be led astray by picking at details too finely, and choking on gnats.

(Also, be aware that this blog was posted in 2009, and nobody has commented on it in 12 years.)


Facial Church Attendance
  
Trav:

By saying "but will not be yoked with you", you just effectively accused me of being an unbeliever. Whatever gave you that idea? Have I ever said I don't believe in Jesus? What have I ever said that contradicted what Jesus taught? Be specific.

Yes, Jesus did not come to destroy the Law, but he did frequently turn many of them on their heads, i.e. "You heard it said that... but *I* say unto you...". Moses taught eye for eye but Jesus taught forgiveness. Moses permitted divorce and remarriage but Jesus forbade it. Based on your comments it seems like you prefer Moses' "eye for eye" approach than Jesus' forgiveness approach. Why stick to the old covenant when we have a better new one?


Does DNA Prove Creationism
  
David:

The accounts of Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 offer two mutually incompatible orders of creation. E.g. per your deduction, Adam was created BOTH on day 6 AND no later than day 3. This means one of two things:
1) The exact order of creation is not important, and us arguing over such minor details is choking on gnats, or
2) Parts of the bible are incorrect, and if we can't rely on some of it, we can't rely on any of it.
Which of the above two interpretations makes more sense, and are you more comfortable with?


Does DNA Prove Creationism
  
David:

No. I had this same exact discussion with someone here years ago who insisted Genesis disproved science because creation order in Genesis 1 differs from cosmology/evolution. I asked him why is Genesis 2 order is different, and he inconsistently said timing in Genesis 1 is correct while Genesis 2 is not. (Either the Bible is accurate, or it isn't. You can't have your cake and eat it too.)

He also insisted Biblical (hence Genesis 1) days are always literal 24 hour days. There are two problems with this: 1) If you go by periods of sunlight, one couldn't do that during the first two days before the sun was created, and 2) If you go by 24 hours, Joshua's Long Day was much longer.


Does DNA Prove Creationism
  
David:

Genesis mentions no orgigin for men besides Adam and eve. If the rest (e.g. other wives) didn't come from incest, they must have another origin untainted by the Fall.

While Genesis doesn't get into this, later books do (e.g. Romans 5). If sin affected mankind via Adam, that would not apply to people who weren't descended from Adam, would it? Yet it applies to ALL mankind.

Incest was a sin by the law of Moses, but not before. Genesis 12, 20, 26 mention 3 places patriarchs called their wives sisters. Either Abraham and Isaac were liars, or close relations were customary at that time. Polygamy was also common then, but not now. Laws and customs change.


Was 2020 Election Stolen
  
Trav:

74 million are with Trump, but 81 million are with Biden. The 81 million are in the majority, so they get to set the agenda for the country for the next four years. That's how democratic societies work. It's only totalitarian states that allow minorities to rule.

The U.S. is not a direct democracy. The president is chosen by electors, rather than the popular vote. In 2016, Trump lost the popular vote, but won the electoral vote in a landslide (306 out of the required 270 votes). However, in 2020, Biden won both the popular vote, AND the electoral vote by the same landslide Trump won by in 2016.

(Jesus also set the Golden Rule. Don't rebuke others unless you're willing to accept rebuke from others as well.)


Did David Go To Heaven
  
Charles_Allan_Soffer:

Yes. Unfortuately, Mormons have their own theology of the afterlife that is totally different from how Christians and the Bible view it.

Also, you won't find many of the people who were active on this blog still here. This particular blog was started in 2015, and since then, there have only been one comment in each of 2016 and 2017, and nothing more until four years later!


Baptism Gone Wrong
  
Thermon:

Unfortunately, many Christians think they are more moral than God, more righteous than God, and in a better place to judge than God is, based on how outraged they get over what God said and did (e.g. wanting to avoid the Song of Songs because it's too explicit).


Facial Church Attendance
  
Trav:

Why cite OT instead of Jesus?

Matthew 5:43-44:
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you,

Luke 6:27-29:
But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,
Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.
And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other, and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also.

If you love neighbors and enemies, who is left to hate?


Does DNA Prove Creationism
  
David:

The Bible said man was made from clay. It doesn't go into details about the exact steps God used to do so. Genesis is big on substance, not details. It leaves many questions unanswered. Presumably God didn't think it was important for us to know. E.g. since all creatures had a mate, why was Mrs. Serpent (and all her descendants) punished for the sins of her husband?

DNA provides strong evidence for evolution. Evolution says absolutely nothing (for or against) whether God guided it along, or God set it in motion initially and because of its robust design, it was able to do the rest of the work itself, or whether it happened totally by itself and by accident. Such questions are in the realm of theology, not biology.


How Can We Sin
  
Trav:

How can you rely on "numerous witnesses in scriptures", if you don't even think "Bibles are authentic"? How do you know who prophets are, and who apostles are, and who Christ is - if not from the very Bibles that you seem to not trust? That makes no sense at all.

JESUS HIMSELF gave Peter the authority, so that anything that he decreed on earth, it would also be done in heaven. If Peter called someone an apostle, then by the authority Jesus himself gave Peter, that person was an apostle.


How Can We Sin
  
Trav:

Matthew 16:19 (also 18:18)
And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Jesus gave his authority to Peter. Otherwise, all authority ended when the Apostles died, so which teachers do YOU follow? How do you know the Bible you hold is authentic, if you don't respect the authority of 1900+ years of people passing it down to you?

Again, NOWHERE does it say Paul replaced Judas.


How Can We Sin
  
Trav:

Nowhere does it say Jesus chose Paul as to REPLACE Judas. Paul was sent to the gentiles, AFTER Christ's death, unlike the others.

Jesus selected 12. 11 (under authority Christ gave them) chose a replacement, and asked God to guide their choice. If you don't believe they had authority to entrust such a replacement, you can't believe any of their successors over the next 1900+ years could be trusted either, so why do you trust the Bible that came down through their hands?

If you trust no other teacher other than Christ, do you rip out every book in the New Testament other than the Gospels? Do you listen to teachers, or only read scriptures and interpreter them as you see fit?


How Can We Sin
  
Trav:

You wrote: As we discussed earlier.... minus judas- 11 Apostles.... void filled by Paul?

That's not what scripture says. Perhaps you missed Acts 1:15-26, where the remaining Apostles cast lots to pick Judas' replacement.

23 And they appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias.
26 And they gave forth their lots, and the lot fell upon Matthias, and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.


How Can We Sin
  
David:

Note that Paul said the Gospel of Christ is the Power of God unto Salvation - NOT the Power of God unto Perfection.


Was 2020 Election Stolen
  
Trav:

"Antifa" is literally a contraction of "anti-fascism". WW2 was fought to defeat fascism in Germany and Italy.

You're right about "The heart of fools proclaimeth foolishness".

Every Republican administration in the past half century has created a recession, while every Democratic administration has pulled us out of the last one Republicans created, yet conservatives still vote Republican "for the economy".

Conservatives vote for a candidate that breaks every biblical commandment and boasts about it - "for morality and Christian values".

Many Christian "prophets" still insist he won the election, despite that obviously being not true.



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