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Does DNA Prove Creationism
  
Only for you David. I have no questions ... And those things in scripture, as we see several , are not issues for me. There are several points of view concerning Genesis and looks like it has never been resolved. I doubt any discussion here will resolve either. But if it's important to you, good luck with your beliefs on the subject. Just remember they are yours and should not be forced on another.


Does DNA Prove Creationism
  


Adam, was not created after the males and females in (Genesis 1), he was created before them. Adam was created First,...he was Created on the 3rd day!. David

David also the way you stated this was not a " MAYBE POSSIBLY. I just thought" kind of statement. You stated this as an absolute. When you do that you're not encouraging debate. You are setting up a confrontation. All truths come with supporting scripture. I have posted supporting scripture here showing those created AFTER THE IMAGE OF GOD are Adam and Eve. You see, each chapter is not a word for word duplicate. Neither are the 4 Gospels. Or do you believe there are 2 Jesus's?


Does DNA Prove Creationism
  
David Genesis 9 is after the flood where God addresses those created after His image which are your male and female not Adam and Eve. Also putting all scriptures together , comparing scripture to scripture my mind is set and no room to try to undermine the Word of God in any way shape or form. I believe there is only ONE CREATION OF MAN..PERIOD. If I don't get it, I don't try to create my own theory. I simply let the Lord know I don't get it, but He does, and if it's so terribly important to understand and my salvation depends on it He will explain it to me. I don't have to reason it out.

I see this was possibly your motive for this question and I have stated my belief. So my mind is CLOSED on this subject.


Does DNA Prove Creationism
  
Those in the "image of God" here today, ARE THE ONES offered salvation. Hummm. How can that be since scripture states THE LAST MAN ADAM came to save THE FIRST MAN ADAM , and nothing about these other superior beings ...EXCEPT Genesis 1 Is a summary of the 6 day creation, and possibly different author. Chapter 2 a more intimate recording of God interacting with man with no "days" mentioned. Look,even 1-2nd Samuel parallels 1- 2nd Chronicles has discrepencies .

BUT ...THE GOSPEL HAS NO DISCREPENCIES from Genesis to Revelation. Praise God.

1 Corinthians 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.


Does DNA Prove Creationism
  
Ok, so IN ADAM ALL DIE. That means those who are the offspring of Adam died re ADAMS SIN. The creatures created after the image of God , Genesis 1:26-27 have no soul. So scripture says THE "SOUL" THAT SINNETH..IT SHALL DIE. EZEKIEL 18:20. So those male and female after the image of God, not of Adams DNA ,must be close to 6000 years old if they were created only days apart. They don't die either, since they are not included in ADAMS SIN. I wonder why God never mentioned them again all through scripture? Also we see those created after the image of God still alive AFTER the flood, where God told Noah not to kill them. It's in Genesis 9:6. So where are they today? We know Angels have no soul but aren't called MEN either.


Does DNA Prove Creationism
  
David, you see two species of man, where the ones NOT ADAM AND EVE , were created 3 days after Adam and Eve were also given dominion over the earth and over the animals. Yet God brought the animals to Adam to name. Sounds confusing to me, as well as Eve even created before the female on day 6 could not be the mother of all her living ? Did God lie in Genesis 3?

And where is this other species of man TODAY? No DNA has ever proved such a thing. Everything named AFTER ITS KIND. Those in Gods image are not AFTER ITS KIND with those made of dust. Just because we say ANIMAL doesn't mean all ANIMALS are compatable to breed with one another. Cain , Adams offspring could not have breed with a superior female created after Gods image.


Does DNA Prove Creationism
  
Wow, I have so many questions.
1) man in Genesis chapter 1 have no soul. And nothing about being made from the dust of the earth. So are they still alive today or did they all perish in the Great Flood of Noah's time. Was the flood then EVERYONE except Noah and family, or was this a local flood, where these superior beings without souls who could procreate ( Angels can't procreate) still live among us? Have they found DNA to prove two different species of man? And is it then a lie in Genesis 2-3 Eve is the mother of ALL LIVING ..meaning man...not animals or plants. She couldn't be the mother of the living superior beings created after the image OF GOD before she was created. This really opens many issues.


Does DNA Prove Creationism
  
One can see even the 4 Gospels are not word for word describing the EXACT time Jesus was on earth.

Both Genesis 1 and 2 give an account of GOD CREATING MAN. One chapter gives more detail. Genesis 1 man is created AFTER THE IMAGE OF GOD. Genesis 2 is linked to the genealogy of Jesus Christ given in the Gospels. Those in 1 And 2 are the same MAN. If it were a different creature they worked not both be called "MAN" .



If Trav and Davids account is true, Genesis 1:26-27 is a SUPERIOR BEING than Genesis 2 which 2 says nothing about being created after the image of God. Yet Jesus genealogy links Jesus to Genesis 2.....which states ADAM WAS A SON OF GOD (in the Gospels account.)

So it's THE SAME.


Does DNA Prove Creationism
  
I believe that is what FAITH is about. Believing God even though we weren't there to see for ourselves. Believing God even if we can't wrap our human mind around. This is why many scoff at Salvation.


Does DNA Prove Creationism
  
Samuel and Trav have very strong and compelling facts. Thanks for that information, and for posting it. Others like me who do not believe in evolution, but never really gave it much thought have more info to share with others who do believe in it.

I do believe man had adapted to different environments over these few thousand years, as the original Eden and the original place man was created didn't have SEVERE weather like we have after the flood. But I don't see that as evolution.


Does DNA Prove Creationism
  
David you will have to ask Strongaxe. I'm not familiar with anyone else's views on the subject. We were all with all life on earth made out of the dust of the earth. God created the heavens and earth. I do not believe in evolution that we came from fish to aps to humans etc. The fact that we all share dna is not an issue for me and for me does not prove evolution. It proved God created all exactly as He said.


Does DNA Prove Creationism
  
Man was made from the clay of the earth. So were the plants and animals. So I don't see an issue here. What make man different is God breathed life into us and we became a living soul. You cannot DNA a soul. And only a soul can be created by God.

It's possible after the flood, seeing life span shortened, possibly why grapes fermented , seeing no verses on drunkenness before Noah caught off guard...we see change. But if evolution was true we would continue to see evolution taking place today.....or someone needs a good reason why it stopped.


How Can We Sin
  
David Jesus Himself said in Matthew 5:17-18 He came to fulfill the Law AND THE PROPHETS. He refers to them as "them". Them is plural. There are still prophecies concerning Israel the Prophets have stated. There are still prophecies concerning end times yet to be fulfilled. These prophecies must come to pass before heaven and earth pass away and we see a New Heaven and Earth.

That verse in no way means we are still under the Law of Moses.

Just because someone doesn't believe your doctrine doesn't give YOU AUTHORITY to say they are not saved.


How Can We Sin
  
RE Matthew 5:18. I LOVE THIS VERSE. Exactly, and where I left off...WHY did the Jews reject Jesus like Judas did? Because the Earthly Kingdom Reign, aka the 1000 year reign, promised to Israel promised UNDER THE LAW, where Jesus would take the throne of David, overthrow the Gentiles who had them in bondage they thought would happen THEN, but Jesus went to the cross FIRST, which they didn't understand at that time. That promise of the kingdom is clearly stated IT WILL HAPPEN before this earth passes away. Matthew 5:18

That's why David. My salvation TODAY is not hinged on a future earthly reign of Christ. Neither was Abel's, Noah's, Enoch's Job's . My salvation and theirs is hinged on the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.


How Can We Sin
  
The Gospel is THE GOOD NEWS. This good news that the PROMISED MESSIAH from Genesis 3:15 on and throughout the OT, the very one Israel waited and put their faith in, the one WHO WOULD SAVE THEIR PEOPLE FROM THEIR SIN, was born a virgin according to the scriptures, died according to the scriptures and rise again according to the scriptures. Those in the OT who believed in this prophecy from Adam and Eve on, looking FORWARD to the promised Messiah as did Abraham, to US who look back to the cross where these promises were fulfilled and seen by over 500 witnesses IS THE VERY SAME GOSPEL OF SALVATION. Hebrews 11-12 list the OT SAINTS SAVED AND IN HEAVEN prove that point.

When Jesus came, He came into His Own and His Own received Him not. WHY?


How Can We Sin
  
Ok David, so you now believe The Gospel began in Mark1:1-2? so you are saying there was no Gospel before Jesus actually was made flesh? Then THE GOSPEL God preached before to Abraham is not the Gospel of Jesus Christ? Hummm. Ok now I understand why you reject much of scripture.

I believe the Gospel was first announced in Genesis 3:15, more fully laid out to Abraham, more fully revealed to David, where the promise of the virgin birth would come of the seed of David Romans 1, ...that Isaiah 53 is the Gospel prophesied, more revealed to the Apostles after arJesus resurrection, and offered to the Gentiles verified by Paul.

So David, I believe you have totally misinterpreted what Mark 1:1-2.


How Can We Sin
  
David the wake up call should have been on you. WAKE UP DAVID.. or else please show Jesus brought ANOTHER GOSPEL ? It was said to Abraham in the OT... IN THEE WILL ALL FAMILIES OF THE EARTH BE BLESSED. Paul clearly showed this very same promise and Gospel was preached into them as well as into us. Also check out Galatians 3:8, Hebrews 4:2, 2 Timothy 2:8

Paul with Peter John etc preached THE GOSPEL OF Christ aka The Gospel of God aka The Gospel of Peace aka The Gospel of THE LORD JESUS.


If they asked you to leave David, it's because you must have taught ANOTHER GOSPEL not defined in scripture as THE GOSPEL. So did Joseph Smith.


How Can We Sin
  
Not every single word in the 4 Gospels is THE GOSPEL. The very same Gospel Abel knew and believed and understood is THE VERY SAME GOSPEL OF SALVATION throughout Genesis to Revelation, that God sent His only begotten Son to die for our sin, and those who have put their faith in THE GOSPEL OF SALVATION are the heirs of Righteousness. Hebrews 11 PROVE THIS. To say there was no Gospel before Jesus was made flesh and walked among us is ridiculous. Jesus came to FULFILL THE OT prophecy about Himself, not start ANOTHER GOSPEL. The MYSTERY however is not another Gospel either, but a more detailed understanding AFTER JESUS RISE FROM THE DEAD and what is expected of us TODAY.


How Can We Sin
  
Romans 16:25-27

25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

27 To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen.



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