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Does DNA Prove Creationism
  
If there actually were more than one line of men (e.g. one from Adam, and one or more from other(s)), then only the line from Adam was polluted by sin, not the other(s), as sin entered the world "by ONE man".---StrongAxe

StrongAxe
Excellent point, but you are forgetting one little thing, that being,....sin is the transgression of the Law. God had only given one commandment, and that was given to Adam. Since Adam was the only one given a Law, he was the only one....who could sin.


Does DNA Prove Creationism
  
(Genesis 1:29) And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed which is upon the face of all the earth, B>and every tree in which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed, to you it shall be for meat.

(Genesis 2:16 & 17 )And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat, but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it. For in the day that thou eatest thereof, thou shalt surely die.


Here is another discrepancy in the creation story we all know.
Why could all the males and females created in (Genesis 1) eat from every tree, but Adam and Eve were restricted from eating from every tree?


Does DNA Prove Creationism
  
You both present good arguments, but those arguments leave more questions than answers.

How do you explain the sequential changes in the creation of the world in (Genesis 1) and the creation of Eden in (Genesis 2)?
Who were the Sons of God in (Genesis 6:4)?
My account answers both of those questions.

Im not questioning the biblical account of creation, as Clarence Darrow did. Im simply questioning the account many Christians were taught as children.


Does DNA Prove Creationism
  
You stated this as an absolute.---kathr4453

Kathrine
I can understand your assumption. At the time, when I wrote it I felt I had stumbled upon something exciting, something new I wanted to share. I put an exclamation point after it, to merely convey that excitement.

I dont know if I was right or wrong, and I would never teach it as an absolute until I do. But, I do absolutely believe the creation story in (Genesis 1) and (Genesis 2) are two different events. One being the creation of the world and the other is the creation of the Garden of Eden.

Because I believe this, I must have an answer as to Why Adam is called the first man God created. He could be called that because, he was the first man who served God.


Does DNA Prove Creationism
  
....Eve created before the female on day 6 could not be the mother of all her living
---kathr4453


Noah and his family were the only human beings which survived the flood. Now since Noah descended from Adam, wouldnt this mean we all descended from...Adam and Eve?

I was merely being subjective with my guess about the 3rd day, trying to make it fit within the biblical parameters. In my mind, the only thing I cannot fit into the two creations, is Adam being the first man God created. This is why I thought maybe it was on the 3rd day, for the reason I expressed.

There are many things we can discover together about the creation story, but only if you open your minds.


Does DNA Prove Creationism
  
Adam, was not created after the males and females in (Genesis 1), he was created before them. Adam was created First,...he was Created on the 3rd day!

How do we know this?
Because (Genesis 2:5) says Adam was created.....before every plant of the field was in the earth, and before every herb of the field grew, for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

When did God finish planting...Every Plant and herb?...It was on the 3rd day (Genesis 1:11-13).

This is also why (Genesis 2) shows Adam being created before the animals, but in (Genesis 1), it shows male and females being born after the animals, on the 6th day.


Does DNA Prove Creationism
  
StrongAxe
Can you explain why in the (Genesis 1:24-26) account of creation, the animals were created before man, and why in the (Genesis 2:18:20) account of Gods creation in the Garden, the animals were created after Adam?

And why the man and woman were created at the same time in (Genesis 1), but were not created at the same time in (Genesis 2)?

Its because (Genesis 1) is the first creation of man and woman on Earth, and (Genesis 2) is the account of Gods creation of a man...Adam, who worked in his Garden. Cains wife came from the folks who were in the first creation.

And when the folks from Gods creation in (Genesis 1) had relations with Adams Kin in (Genesis 2), this is what created the situation in (Genesis 6:4).


Does DNA Prove Creationism
  
If one looks Adam was created in Genesis 2:7, Gen 1:26-31, describes a hunter gatherer creation..... answering timelines going past and beyond the normally taught Biblical timeline to tens or more thousands of years. Erasing these evolution arguments.---Trav

.....And this also explains where Cains wife came from and who the children of God are in (Genesis 6:4).
The Sons of God were those who came from Adam..not angels having relations with man.

...And Cains wife wife came from the men and women God created in (Genesis 1). Many church accounts of creation lead folks to believe we all came from incest.


Does DNA Prove Creationism
  
As implausible as the creation story may seem, I see it as the only plausible account for creation. Many of us hear the Adam and Eve stories as written in children's books, through which the church developed tunnel vision.

This teaching leaves us with more questions than answers as we mature. Questions like, where did Cains wife come from...or were the Sons of God written about in (Genesis 6:4)...Angels?

We dont see the answers to these questions, because most of our teachings are founded on the teaching of man. Foolish teachings, these teachers claim...came from God. The very fact that they are foolish, should tell us they could not have come from God.


Baptism Gone Wrong
  


Are these Baptisms a private affair, or do family members attend?

If so...after reading the Bible, I found where God said this...And if a man shall take his sister, his fathers daughter or his mothers daughter, and see her nakedness and she see his nakedness, it is a wicked thing, and they shall be cut off in the sight of their people....
(Leviticus 20:17)


Now if seeing one naked, was a wicked thing in the Old Testament, wouldnt it still be wicked in the New Testament? God made many Laws against public nudity in (Leviticus 18:6-18) that you may want to read.




Does DNA Prove Creationism
  
StrongAxe
Its easy for the Creationist to explain how man was created, and for the most part, we all agree on the Genesis account, But there is more than one theory for evolution.

For you, which one best explains the creation of mankind?


Does DNA Prove Creationism
  
Kathrine
Did you know apes share over 98% of our human DNA? You have to agree, thats Pretty strong evidence for evolution. But then again, since I believe the Genesis account, I see that as pretty strong evidence for us as well.

I see this evidence as proof that God created everything, and see DNA as his fingerprints in creation. But As I recall, StrongAxe believes in evolution. And I wanted to know if DNA has changed his mind or made it more resolute.


How Can We Sin
  
(Matthew 7:21) Not every one that saith unto Me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the Kingdom of Heaven, but he that doeth the will of My Father who is in Heaven.

Everyone
95% of the churches today, believe this is a false teaching. Is Jesus a false teacher, or is it your doctrine that is false? You decide.


How Can We Sin
  
Kathrine
Like I said before, the issue is not what you or I see as the Gospel. That argument has produced No fruit. The argument which will produce fruit, is in showing folks, their doctrines actually teach that Christ was not telling the Truth. That should be an eye opener!!

(Matthew 5:18) For verily I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass away, not one jot or one tittle shall in any wise pass from the law till all be fulfilled

Your doctrine teaches Christ fulfilled the Law when he died on the Cross. Jesus taught the Law will not be fulfilled until Heaven and Earth have passed away. Is Jesus right, or is he wrong?


How Can We Sin
  
The beginning of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God. As it is written in the Prophets: Behold, I send My messenger before Thy face, who shall prepare Thy way before Thee.
(Mark 1:1-2)


How Can We Sin
  
...you must have taught ANOTHER GOSPEL not defined in scripture as THE GOSPEL.---kathr4453

(Mark 1:1) The beginning of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.

Kathrine
Was Mark also wrong, when he titled his writings The Gospel of Christ?

(Mark 16:15) And He said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the Gospel to every creature.

To every creature?...the Gentiles are creatures, are they not?
Now if the Gentiles had to wait for a salvation message from Paul, why would Jesus give these instructions to Mark, while Jesus was still alive?
And why were Gentiles being saved, before Paul received his message?


How Can We Sin
  
Kathrine
I have shown you, through the teachings of Jesus Christ, where your doctrine is clearly opposed to what Jesus taught. If Jesus came to your church, in the flesh, and taught what he taught in his Gospel, you would call him a false prophet.

I know this, because when I have taught at Protestant churches, I was asked to leave.....for teaching the Gospel of Christ. This should be a wakeup call for all Christians, but still they slumber comfortably in doctrines which make Jesus appear to be the false teacher.

(Luke 6:46) Why do you call me, Lord, Lord, and do not do what I say?


How Can We Sin
  
Trav
My mission here on CN, is wake folks up before it is too late. I believe Kathrine has shown me a way to do this, and for this reason, I honestly find myself deeply indebted to her.

Though she may not see the Gospel of Christ, as those four books at the beginning of the New Testament, it is not as though those books have no value to wake her, and the many who are lost following the false doctrines.

How???
Those four books are the teachings of Jesus Christ, no matter what one may call them. And by using that very Light, we can expose what lurks in the darkness of the false doctrine. When a Christian can see for themselves, their doctrine opposes what Jesus taught, they just may turn back to the Gospel.


How Can We Sin
  
Kathrine
Believe me, I was not throwing you under the Bus for what you believe. Most Christians believe as you do. I was merely stating the facts.

So it is not me against you, its the False teachings against the Gospel of Christ. You pointed out the foundation on which the church is now built, is not the Gospel of Christ, to which I am honestly thankful.

And Yes,...the Grace teachings in your church are completely opposed to the teachings of Jesus Christ. I will prove it. Is the teaching below...according to your doctrine..True or False?
(John 8:34) Jesus replied, Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin.



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