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Why Did God Create Hell
  
There is so much false teaching in this thread. This notion that God and Jesus are loving and would never punish evildoers is not in line with scripture. How about Sodom and Gomorrah? How about the flood? Also, plenty of people have been warned about the coming judgement of God, such that, they run to the Messiah for forgivess.


Why Did God Create Hell
  
The bible is replete with passages that detail what hell is about. Jesus said not to be afraid of those that can kill the body only. It would be unjust for God to let his Son be killed in order for us to be saved, only to give sinners a pass by allowing them to escape punishment.


Willing For Ecumenical Movement
  
Mr. Moderator, please answer:1. You said Cults claim the same regarding an authentic apostolic tradition shared by Orthodox and Catholics. Please give me more then one source (a cult) for your statement.

Moderator - I can't see in this screen so please directly quote me so I can respond.


Willing For Ecumenical Movement
  
How come your understanding of scripture is not the same as the early Christians?
Your kind of belief does not reflect authentic Christian tradition. I have given several quotes where are yours?


Willing For Ecumenical Movement
  
MR. Moderator, please prove your cult comment. Also, I still am waiting for some quotes from your so-called scholars in question number 7 of your apostles creed quiz. You seem to have a lot of comments but cant validate them.

Moderator - Please quote me as I can't see the screen when approving blogs. If you consider the Bible non-validated, then you are correct.


Willing For Ecumenical Movement
  
Eloy, Did you know that just before the reformation a Church was discovered in India. No one knew about this isolated Church off the Malabar Coast which claims to be started by the apostle Thomas. What is funny is that even though it was isolated from Rome it developed almost the same in its beliefs and structure. Look it up if you dont believe me Syro-Malabar rite. The point is that Rome and the Churches of the Orthodox East have a valid tradition from the Apostles.

Moderator - Other world cults claim the same.


Willing For Ecumenical Movement
  
Geoff, the Saturday Sabbath was tied to the Old Covenant people of God. In fulfilling the requirements for the Old Jesus ushered in a New and everlasting covenant, which begins on resurrection sunday. This mean we will live forever with out days or time. The fathers called Sunday the 8th day of the week for Jesus brings us into the 8th day the eternal day that does not end. Jesus is our Sabbath and our fulfillment of the Old Covenant.


Willing For Ecumenical Movement
  
John I could not follow you and you quoted 1 Tim 3:15 wrong. Did you mean Trent instead of trant? There is no such thing as Sola Scriptura. For example, the bible needs interpretation and Luther had his own way and so did John Calvin. Consequently, the person who claims Sola Scriptura becomes their own Pope for they alone are the authority of interpretation.


Willing For Ecumenical Movement
  
-A Catholic-, every Christian has the right to interpret scripture De Verbum of the Vatican II council teaches that rule for interpretation is Holy tradition. But, believers can add to the insights through their own personal reflection, preaching and living of the Word. Many saints were uneducated but gave the greatest insight into scripture.


Willing For Ecumenical Movement
  
Key points with references:
1. The Church can not error in doctrine and morals (1 Tim. 3:15)
2. The Church is a visible unbroken community (1 john 2:19)
3. Gods Church is never identified with error (John 16:13)

Every century since Christ until the protestant reformation (c.500years ago) you have no References for what you believe other then your own personal interpretation of the bible, there are no scholars or saints in any age previous to the reformation to verify your positions


Willing For Ecumenical Movement
  
Helen, the roman rite does embrace people but not their religions. A Catholic has the moral obligation to proclaim Christ as the only way. Helen how can you be sure about any church, unless you are the source of truth? Even your bible interpretation is done according to your own point of view and from your own experience. Is it possible to begin outside of yourself but you must look to the consensus found historically since the apostles begin their mission.(1 Tim3:15)


Willing For Ecumenical Movement
  
Lee, a great falling away means people cease to be part of the Church. I would say that ever since the Church began people have fallen away from belief in Christ; even among protestant communities this is nothing new. Nowhere in the text you used is any reference to the roman rite. It is possible for church leaders to fall away (Judas) but as saint Augustine points in his arguments against the donatists, this in no way invalidated their charism.


Willing For Ecumenical Movement
  
Lee. The Easter Orthodox are Catholic. They share with the rites under the pope many things, except what you pointed out. However, some Orthodox patriarchs recognize the pope as a special bishop first among equals. Many conflicts about papal authority came about between the Churches due to the fact the papal primacy developed differently in the west. But, the Churches are very close in many ways in belief and praxis, which are quite different then most protestant communities.


Willing For Ecumenical Movement
  
Lee, Catholicism is not divided. It is a shared tradition of faith but expressed differently among the rites. There are many things in this shared Catholicism that are not found in non-catholic communities due to the protestant reformation. St. Augustine and St. Irenaeus Whom I quoted previously, both believed very differently then many protestant Christians my quotes prove this. To be a fully incorporated Catholic is to practice and share the same traditions they received and lived.


Willing For Ecumenical Movement
  
Lee, maybe your confused. The Roman Church is one of over 22 Rites in Catholicism today. For example, there is the Melkite Rite, which has a different Liturgy and a priesthood that allows for married clergy. The patriarch of this rite, on the other hand, recognizes the Pope for union with the rest of the bishops in the world. Since ancient times these different churches share the same Catholic beliefs but worship differently. To be a Catholic in practice is to hold to the same faith as the early Church.


Willing For Ecumenical Movement
  
Lee here is another so called ignorant person:Early Church historian J. N. D. Kelly, a Protestant, writes: "As regards Catholic, its original meaning was 'universal' or 'general.' in the latter half of the second century at latest, we find it conveying the suggestion that the Catholic is the true Church as distinct from heretical congregations. What these early Fathers were envisaging was almost always the empirical, visible society;(Early Christian Doctrines, 1901).

Moderator - Ric take the Apostles Creed Bible quiz.


Willing For Ecumenical Movement
  
Lee, here is so more speculation form the Church Father you quoted:
"I should not believe the Gospel except as moved by the authority of the Catholic Church."
(St. Augustine, Against the Epistle of Manichaeus Called Fundamental, 5,6)


Willing For Ecumenical Movement
  
Lee, I challenge you to read scripture in the context. In the passage you used directly after Jesus told Peter (not what he said) that he would give him (not what he said) the keys of the kingdom. People can grovel about the Greek words used, even though Peter spoke Aramaic, which does not have different words for Rock. Not even John Calvin, or many protestant scholars, would agree with you, who called Peter the Rock.

Moderator - Jesus Christ is the Rock not Peter.


Willing For Ecumenical Movement
  
Donna, every one that is baptized and believes in Christ belongs to the one Church. However, as I have pointed in the bible and early Church history there are some things preserved only in the Catholic Church that are necessary for the preservation of Christian unity. This does not mean that a non-catholic has less of Jesus, but Jesus gave us Gifts to keep us one. We are the people of God called to be one as our God is one.



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