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Belief In Evolution Offends God
--David8318 11/21/11
Yes it does offend God, such that Acts 1:20 states those who do not believe creation despite the evidence are 'inexusable'.
Act 1:20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.

With Wings As Eagles
"I take the Bible at face-value, unless there is good reason not to do so."
--Warwick 11/12/11
What does face value mean?
Since heliocentrism was not accepted until a few hundred years ago, how would you interpret the Biblical passages that the Earth does not move and the Sun revolves around it?
Ecc 1:5 The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose.
See also Psa 93:1 and 1 Ch 16:30
These were not meant as figures of speech.
Why won't you answer the other questions I asked about the Bible or explain why you won't answer?

With Wings As Eagles
--Warwick 11/21/11
I am told that sceptics 50-60 years ago said there were hundreds of errors in the Bible. Most of these have since been shown not to be errors.
Manuscripts with NT texts differ among themselves with some estimates of 200,000 to 300,000 differences among various manuscripts...
A study of 150 Greek [manuscripts] of the Gospel of Luke has revealed more than 30,000 different readings... It is safe to say that there is not one sentence in the New Testament in which the [manuscript] is wholly uniform

These differences may not all reflect doctrinal errors but they do represent differences where man has decided how to translate a passage and selected which variant to include.

With Wings As Eagles
Rocky, what fool believes the creation and flood accounts were historical realities? Jesus and His apostles do
--Warwick 11/20/11
An issue underlying how you repeatedly distort what is written by other posters (and then attack them) is that some believe the Bible is not inerrant while you believe it should be taken at "face-value", whatever that means. And while these differences are the source of many others, you absolutely refuse to answer basic questions about your beliefs about the Bible. Why are you afraid to report your beliefs? Why won't you answer the questions I asked several times?
And I already responded about the scriptures you cited as you have posted them many times.

What The Flood Local
your ourburst here is out of willful ignorance... Well eat these words... Laugh all you want in God's face.
--kathr 11/20/11
I posted several times on this thread refuting, in a rational way, point by point, the points you made in your previous posts. Once again you do not respond to the refutations I made to try to support your original claims, but respond with outrageous personal attacks and lies. Again you clearly show you are not a good Christian and have no shame but a hard heart.

What The Flood Local
It is obvious the flood of Noah's time was localized as we can see that the penguins... kangaroos didn't head north to get on Noah's boat.
--lee1538 11/20/11
Oh but they were teleported to the Ark so it would have "all" animals, all thousands and thousands of species from all over the world. Then they were all teleported back to their respective continents, like those you list and the Bison in America, Koala Bear in Australia, and Panda in China. And the many unique species just on the Galapagos Islands. Keeping track of where thousands of animals had to be returned was a huge task, but hey, He's God. Guess he had nothing better to do with His time.

Belief In Evolution Offends God
--1stcliff 11/20/11
allows for the time needed to develop each event without jamming them into hours for no good reason!
As opposed to jamming them into days for no good reason? Or months? Or minutes? Why is any time period more reasonable than another for creation?
Our Creator is a God of "order" logic and reason, He doesn't do magic tricks!
Hey his creation of the world sure has David Copperfield and Houdini beat for magical acts. And all out of nothing. There you see nothing. There you have a universe. What logic or reason explains how he did that? Add a couple of days and you have mankind created and many other things. Voila!

What The Flood Local
REAL science lines up with REAL Bible interpretation.
Utter nonsense.
Psa 93:1 the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved.
1Ch 16:30 the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved.
Psa 104:5 Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.
Ecc 1:5 The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose.
For arguing heliocentrism, the Church banned his book and sentence Galileo to house arrest FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE.

What The Flood Local
There is no debate
The only thing about which there is no debate is that there is no way ONE of every animal would fit in the Ark let alone two or seven. When the larger world was explored, and the diverse animal population became known, most reasoning Christians came to realize the flood story was not meant to be taken literally. But some diehards, who hold to the literalness of the Bible lest they not know what to believe or do, will go to their grave believing the fantasy.

What The Flood Local
BTW Jesus considered the flood was an historical event which destroyed them "all" all-see Luke 17:26,27,
--Warwick 11/20/11
Luk 17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
"all" who? All Israel? All people that knew Noah? Only married people? YOU read into that passage what YOU want to believe. It states nothing that addresses the size or extent of the flood.

What The Flood Local
Psalm isn't to be taken at face-value
--warwick 11/20/11
Now you have me confused. On another thread you wrote that you take the entire Bible at "face-value". Now you write that Psalms is not to be taken at "face-value".
Which is it?
What exactly does "face-value" mean as you use it?
Do you believe the Bible is literal, inerrant, or infallible?
Which version of the Bible do you use?
Are all versions and translations of the Bible the "Word of God" or just some? If so, which?
These issues go to the heart of the question about a literal flood.

Belief In Evolution Offends God
As a person well grounded in the scientific method I know of no proveable scientific fact which disproves 6-day crration or the world-wide flood.
--Warwick 11/20/11
From Wikipedia "Flood geology"
in the contemporary literature, the term "flood geology" is often taken to be synonymous with young Earth creationism or creation science. "Flood geology" CONTRADICTS the scientific consensus in geology, physics, chemistry, molecular genetics, evolutionary biology, archaeology, and paleontology, and the scientific community considers the subject to be PSEUDOSCIENCE.
You have admitted parts of the Bible are not intended to be taken literally, this is just another of those parts.

Belief In Evolution Offends God
if you created something and weren't given the credit for it, would that upset you? Of course it offends God
--anon 11/18/11
How can you think that anything we do is capable of offending God? He is above it all. To think that you or anyone else can affect God that way is ridiculous. Moreover, Jesus' message was clearly about changing our minds so we have only love and no negative emotions, not letting the actions of others control our thinking. It would be foolish for him to be teaching that if God did not already have that quality.

With Wings As Eagles
Isn't it obvious that this is a poetic passage not to be understood literally You don't actually think this means that some of us will sprout feathers, do you?
--Cluny 11/18
Of course not, no more than I believe the creation or flood stories or the parables of Jesus are intended to be taken as literal events. Who would be foolish enough to believe that?

With Wings As Eagles
It's a metaphor. As people say, I'd rather fly with eagles than work with turkeys.
--John.usa 11/18/11
I like the slightly different sarcastic, humorous version, "It's hard to fly with the eagles when you work with turkeys".

What The Flood Local
Genesis 8:9 But the dove found no rest for the sole of her foot, and she returned unto him into the ark, for the waters [were] on the face of THE WHOLE EARTH
--francis 11/19/11
That implies the occupants of the ark knew the waters covered the WHOLE EARTH because the dove found not rest. First, how did they query the dove on its return? Did someone speak "dove"?
Did the dove search the entire earth, including those portions 12,500 miles away (for a 25,000 mile round trip)? How many trips for the dove to cover ALL the Earth? How many doves? Did they have more than 2 doves? Were these jet-powered or super doves?

What The Flood Local
--kathr4453 11/19/11
If this were in fact a local flood, there would be no need for a Covenant
Thats silly. There was no need. God CHOSE to make a covenant and could make one regardless of local or universal flood. It still wiped out numerous people.
Those who say it was local, make God a Liar and Covenant breaker since history has shown many horrible local floods.
There you go repeating the lie that because some hold the Bible is not literal they're making God a liar. That's utter foolishness. We're not making a liar of God but you're making a liar of yourself. Why keep repeating that error?
What do horrible local floods have to do with proving anything?

What The Flood Local
Flood myths are a theme widespread among many cultures including the foundational myths of the Quich and Mayas, through Deucalion in Greek mythology, the Utnapishtim in the Epic of Gilgamesh or the Hindu puranic story of Manu which has some very strong parallels with the story of Noah.
In the last centuries BC and the first centuries AD, many Jewish rabbis formed interpretations of the story of Noah's Ark. Their teachings were collected in the Talmud, which dates from between 200 and 500 AD. The individual volumes of the Talmud are known as Tractates and include different versions of the Ark story.

Healed From Bi-Polar Disorder
Chria, we believe many of the same things. I also agree that God can heal mental disease. However, I disagree with your statement that "Everything also has a spiritual aspect IMO, and that can only be combated by the Word of God." As I mentioned before, I think sometimes, most likely a small percentage of the time, a mental disease can be a problem God provides to foster growth. Beyond that, I think that more often than not mental disease of physiological origin does not have a spiritual component, not being much different than any other physical handicap or physiological malfunction.

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