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Salvation In The Church
  
But if a sacrament is only a copy-cat thing . . . this can not work.

---Bill on 4/11/21

Like believing that the Eucharist and Baptism are symbols, I agree!


Salvation In The Church
  

Ruben:

How do YOU know if someone else's decisions on which books are in the Bible or not are, in fact, guided by the Holy Spirit? If one church includes Tobit and another does not, how do YOU know which is right?
---StrongAxe on 3/14/21

The Early Church Fathers and Councils who voted which books belong in the Bible in the early 3rd and fourth century had in fact Tobit, then in the 1500, Protestant come along and decide take it out,which group do you think had it right?

And if they were in fact not guided by the Holy Spirit , then why would you say the Bible is the final authority?


Salvation In The Church
  
(Wise choices, but not Divinely Mandated ones.)
---StrongAxe on 3/12/2

If the Bible is an final authority which I believe is where you stand, how can it be just a wise choices and not guided by the Holy Spirit?

Why was Gospel Of Mark chosen and not the Gospel of Thomas?

Why were some of Paul letters left out?

How can this be just wise choices and not Divine mandate?

And since you mention some Ot and NT authors quoted other books that are not in the bible, why do you believe in the bible alone only?


Picture Close To Heart
  
So, is holding a picture of someone who is alive close to your heart idol worship or not? You still have NOT answered my question. I thought this was a Christian site
---Chria8775 on 1/13/21

No, it is not? This is a Christian site, but if someone answer with it is idol worship and someone else says it is not.

Wouldn't you want to know why they gave their reason to the question ask?

There are not many Catholics on this site in the years I been here. So when someone says praying to Mary is idol worship, if left alone, then all who reads it believes it.

All I did using the BIBLE, is that it is useful and biblical to ask for the saints who have gone before us for their intercessions, BTW is what praying means!


Picture Close To Heart
  
Kathr4453*

1 Samuel 28 10-12 " Saul swore to her by the LORD, As the Lord lives, you shall incur no blame for this. Then the women ask him, Whom do you want me to conjure up? and he answered. Samuel. When the women saw Samuel..."

So did God commit sorcery with dealing with a witch, for bring Samuel up?

In the NT did Jesus and Peter commit an abomination for speaking to the dead, after all they did call up the dead?

So when you quote verses like NT Rev 21:8 and 22:15 Isaiah 47:9,57:3 Exodus 22:18, I don't disagree with them, but rather "communicating with the dead has a large category than just a occult side of it.

Scripture shows us there is a divine approved practice in this subject!



Picture Close To Heart
  
Kathr4453*

First of all we do not pray to Mary or the saints to raise them to life. You mention that no one should {pray) to dead saints!

All I did was show you in scripture that you can pray to these saints because they are alive, God is a God of the living LK 27-37-38.

Moses and Elijah both spoke to Jesus at the transfiguration. I mention the clouds of witnesses in Heb 12:1 cheering us on! Revelation 5:8, 8:3-4 shows those in Heaven having "prayers of the saints" and a angel presenting to God.

So my point is you can and should pray to these saints because it is biblical and as you mention ( on behalf of God)


Picture Close To Heart
  
kathr4453 * Would you call Jesus and Peter committing idolatry, when they were speaking to the dead,

St Peter prayed to her when he said Tabitha, rise. She was dead, and he was addressing her. Acts 9:36-41, in fact scripture said he "prayed" before addressing her. Jesus himself did the same thing with the little girl and with Lazarus!

When you wrote that Mary is asleep in the Lord, what did you mean?

Jesus said the the dead saints are alive, calls the Lord the God of Abraham and the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob.Now he is not God of the dead, but of the living,LK 27:37-38

Hebrews 12:1 tell us we are surrounded by a cloud of witness"and they certainly knew what was going on here on earth.


Picture Close To Heart
  
-kathr4453*

So correct me if I am wrong, it is ok to have a picture of a love one, say a few words to the picture and hug it but it is not idolatry. But when it comes to Mary, you can not recite a prayer to it because that is different. How do you know the heart of a person who has a picture of Mary? Isn't ok to ask someone here on earth to pray for you? How is it not ok to ask someone who is in Heaven not ok?

James 5:16 says, The prayer of a righteous manavaileth much.

Are not those who are already in Heaven more righteous than those who are in earth?

And since you believe you are a saint, then they are more of a saint then me or you!


Massive Democrat Fraud
  
That is bad enough, but Woodward interviews revealed Trump DELIBERATELY delayed dealing with it, to PURPOSELY hurt blue states. So 203K Americans are DEAD on the altar of Trump's re-election.---StrongAxe on 11/26/20

Are you talking about Bob Woodward?

He is very Anti-Trump, and you want us to believe him, really! Washing Post got sue from Nick Sandmann for false information..


Amy Barrett Woman Of Faith
  
kathr4453 * I know Amy is a religious Catholic, however that doesn't necessarily prove she is a Christian in the true sense of the definition based solely on scripture.

What do you mean by a religious Catholic?

While at it, please give me the true sense of the definition based on solely on scripture?


kathr4453 *They believe in a works salvation...correct?

No, we believe in Faith and Works as the Bible teaches us:

James 2:24 " We will be justify by our works and not by faith alone."


Rude To Ask If One Is Saved
  
Then how do you reconcile that with Ephesians 2:8-9:
For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.
---StrongAxe on 11/20/20

By reading the next verse:

Ephesians 2:10 "For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them."


What Is Your Truth
  

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, AKA GOD BREATHED) and is profitable for doctrine,

This says it all for me, and will rebuke anyone who claims their doctrine comes apart from Scripture.
---kathr4453 on 1/9/2

Let's see:

If you are saying that scripture is all you need, then pls give me scripture verses on:

The major beliefs of Christianity like the Trinity is not explicitly stated in scripture.

Same also for the two natures and wills of Christ.

The hypostatic union and the canon of scripture to name a few.


Celebrating Christmas Day
  

And you base this assumption on what... your belief Jesus was born on December 25? Therefore you conclude John must have been born late June? Seriously!

What scriptural evidence have you got to show John was born late June? The only "evidence" you have for a late June birth for John is your belief Jesus was born on the pagan holy day December 25! Sorry but that's pathetic!?
---David8318 on 12/30/19

And you want me to believe your man made interpretation of scripture?

You prove(laughing) that Jesus was born in September but can not tell me when John was born, why?

Are you claiming to be infallible in scripture?


Celebrating Christmas Day
  
//When was John born??//- Ruben.

Isn't it obvious!?

Luke 1:26 tells us Gabriel appeared to Mary announcing her pregnancy with Jesus during Elizabeth's six month pregnancy with John.

There is a number in Luke 1:26 which helps you understand when John was born.
---David8318 on 12/29/19

He was born in late June...


Celebrating Christmas Day
  

Luke 1:26 says Gabriel appeared to Mary announcing her pregnancy with Jesus 6 months after Elizabeth became pregnant with John (the baptiser).

Luke 1:8 says John's father, Zechariah was serving as priest at the time of John's conception during the priestly "division of Abijah", which fell on the 4th Jewish month (or June) 1Ch.24:7-18.

Thus- Jesus was born 15 months after "the division of Abijah" (ie. 6 months of Elizabeth's + 9 months of Mary's pregnancy). Jesus was born at the end of September.

When was John born??
---David8318 on 12/25/19


Interpret The Bible
  
David* Ruben
Jesus, die on the cross?

Speaking of the cross, Jesus said in Jhn 6:51 " if any one eats of this bread, he will live forever, and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world IS MY FLESH."

Was it symbolic or his real body on the cross?


David* The very fact, Jesus used bread and wine as a substitute for his body and blood, showed it to be symbolic.

The very fact when the Jews asked " How can this man gives us his flesh to eat " v52 and his response v53-58 was " For my Flesh is food indeed and my blood is drink indeed."v55
Nothing in those verse about being symbolic.

Again, as I said who determines whose interpretation is correct?


Interpret The Bible
  
Simply Measure what they say to be the Truth, with what Jesus taught. Dont be surprised, when you discover, most salvation teachings are the direct opposite of what Jesus taught.
---David on 11/25/19

Again who determines what Jesus taught is actually what you say? Example:

Jesus says in John 6:54-55 " He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life....For my flesh is is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed." You believe he is speaking symbolic while I don't, whose interpretation is correct and why?


Interpret The Bible
  
Jesus said that when the Holy Spirit comes He will guide you into all truth. No man interprets correctly without His guidance. aka exegesis = correct.

Peter spoke against those who interpreted on their own. aka eisegesis = error.
---Ianns on 11/16/19

Everyone one here claims to be guide by the Holy Spirit, so how do you know which interpretation is correct?


Dormition Of Mary
  
kathr4453* Has it ever occurred to you that not all believe as YOU do?

Has it even occurred to you that you could be wrong? Do you claim to be infallible in scripture, Y or N?

kathr4453* Many of us believe Mary is no different than all the Saints both big and small, aka CHRISTIANS who have passed , are asleep IN THE LORD.

Let's see,

An angel appear to her and told her will conceived a child who will rule the nation.

She is the Mother of God.

Everyone will call her blessed, which BTW is spiritual.

Has that happen to you or anyone you know off?

kathr4453* Mary was NOT bodily resurrected . It's HERESY!

Rev 12: Woman clothed with the Sun...Who is her child taken up to the throne?



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