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The Calvinist System
Such silly and juvenile accusations. God giving man free will to choose or reject Him tells me my God is a much bigger and more powerful God than ven's puny God.

My God no only ALLOWS FREE WILL,but still has the power to cause all things work according to His will.

Just imagine a world champion of Chess playing a 4 year old. The 4 year old can play and even cheat all he wants and the CHAMPION will still win in the end. That's how powerful my God is. Ven's puny God has to preplan our every move so he can win. Even a movie producer can do that....

Explain James 5:19-20
There were NOT two entirely different Gospels being preached at the same time to Jews. No scripture supports a Jew having a CHOICE to decide which Gospel they chose to belong to, the Nation or the Church. There was no restored Nation. We also see Paul in Acts 19 taking those who only heard of John the Baptist AKA the Kingdom Gospel and Paul STEALS THEM from their nation gospel to the Church????? YIKES!
The Kingdom restored to Israel won't happen UNTIL JESUS SECOND COMING, A SHADOW OF THINGS TO COME, ( AKA FUTURE) so says Paul,in Colossians 2:16-17....

You also accuse God of not being able to restore the Kingdom to Israel right after Acts 1, because man wouldn't cooperate? YIKES AGAIN? NOTHING TWARTS GODS PURPOSE.

Good Works For Salvation
Paul was first to receive the mystery of Christ, the apostles and prophets who have knowledge of the mystery come after Paul as part of the church not Israels kingdom.
---michael_e on 8/14/18

That is just a blatant lie. There are NO Apostles and prophets who come AFTER PAUL. That statement alone is bazaar. There are also no NT Prophets. Revelation, the FINAL PROPHECY came from John, of the 12 Apostles. REV 21:10-14 we see, the 12 Apostles of the Church,( the Lamb) and the 12 Tribes of Israel. Is there ANOTHER 12 representing the MYSTERY.? Or is that a MYSTERY TOO?

Seamless Pro-Life Stance
Thank you Cluny. I went back to read what I posted. I wasn't saying dead babies are baptized, although it could be interpreted that I said that. Every baby is baptized correct? These were not still borns, unborn fetuses..but infants of all ages...3 months 6 months etc. And if these became ill if that was the case after they were born, wouldn't THAT be reason to baptize before death? Or is that only provided to grown men and women on their death beds?

Either way, flushing any baby down the toilet like a turd is unacceptable.

Did Paul Forgive Sins
OK Nicole and Monk, MY faith is the faith of the Gospel. There's only ONE FAITH ...

Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

Philippians 1:27 Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel,

NOT for the faith of the RCC or Orthodox, or Calvinism, or Mormonism. That's YOUR faith as opposed to the FAITH OF THE GOSPEL. The Faith of the Gospel is not divided into denominations 1 Cor 3, and only has ONE HEAD...who is Jesus Christ.

Is Left Behind Rapture True
1 Peter 5:14 Greet ye one another with a kiss of charity. Peace be with you all that are in Christ Jesus. Amen.
In the whole book of acts, not even Paul utters the words..CHRIST IN YOU or you in Christ which IS the Mystery. However we KNOW the Mystery is CHRIST IN YOU clearly stated in Colossians 1:24-27, and if Christ is IN You, you are also IN HIM. Paul also uses the words IN CHRIST, as the BOC are all those IN CHRIST. And here we have Peter ending 1Peter with ALL THOSE IN CHRIST

Michael_e earthly Israel are not those IN CHRIST, only the NEW CREATURE IS.

Even when Paul preached at Mars Hill, he never uttered the Mystery or any reference to the Gospel according to the your argument is baseless.

Who Will Be Saved
Regarding RichardC's comment, yes the word in John 3:16 in the STRONGS means ALL. now for those who want to know if it means ALL THE FAITH, please go to your STRONGS and highlight every verse using that exact Greek word.

It's actually FUNNY, that in Revelation 13 ALL take the mark of the beast. The exact same Greek word for RichardC's definition of it meaning all the faith.

So all the faith, or all Calvinist's WILL take the mark of the beast.

Also highlight ALL verses and I think you will be humored for weeks and months to come.

Can Criminals Change With God
LEGENDS and various legends surrounding this legend is not PROOF. Legends are NOT 100% pure unadulterated FACTS.

And how much money DID the RCC make off of the poor peasants just to be able to view this hoax? All these things were used to fleece the poor and ignorant, WHY, because back then, they were not allowed to read scripture, or question these lies. For all we know ...people may have believed Jesus and the other two were the ONLY people ever crucified.

it's called sorcery ....claiming a piece of wood brought someone back to life. But hay..the RCC made a killing...and people still wanna believe....and when the Beast comes with false signs and wonders, will believe that too.....because you all keep perpetuating these LIES.

Can Criminals Change With God
Nicole, so you do know that not everyone believes as Catholics do..correct. And I don't either.

Christ IN YOU, comes by faith in receiving Jesus Christ into your heart..not your stomach. But Paul explains it in detail as the Holy Spirit revealed to Paul THAT GLORIFIES JESUS. first Romans lays down a lovely foundation. First we are justified by His in His Blood, and then we are saved by His RISEN LIFE...the Last Adam Jesus is that LIFE GIVING SPIRIT. This happens when we put our faith in Jesus finished works, we are CRUCIFIED WITH CHRIST, and THEN raised up together with Him a NEW CREATURE. The LIVING GLORIFIED Christ lives in longer I but Christ in me.

Virtual Reality Churches.

Genesis 17:5

5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham, for a father of many nations have I made thee.

This verse ( hopefully Nicole won't mangle) is God speaking to Abraham, and in no way is a TITLE nor is it something any common Catholic priest or ANYONE can claim for themselves.

This has to do again with the Abrahamic Covenant..."that in thee will all Nations of the earth will be blessed." Galatians also explains. But to use this as some EXCUSE for a Catholic priest to call themself FATHER this or almost blasphemous.

Virtual Reality Churches.
So it appears that Jeus told the Apostles He had 'MORE things to say to most probably was what Paul well as the even Peter and the others AFTER Jesus ascended.

John 16: 12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth:
for he shall not speak of himself, but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak:

and he will shew you things to come.

Finish it here February 2018 #2
So the Lord Jesus who is God is unable to tell us what he means??
---john9346 on 3/7/18

So DID the Lord Jesus actually tell you this John, or did you NEED the Church Fathers to tell you what Jesus meant. Because Jesus never told me what you claim He told you.

Jesus is very thorough in backing up scripture HIS WORD in many places with many examples. The CHOSEN not going into the Promised land which was already theirs....shows FAITH COMES FIRST before POSSESSION.

You all put faith AFTER possession.....not found ANYWHERE in scripture.

So exactly who's voice are you listening to? NOT JESUS' that's for sure.

Virtual Reality Churches.
No Nicole, YOU seem to forget what YOU said...that God already judged the Angels. WRONG! They are held in chains ( some anyway) UNTIL JUDGEMENT.

Please don't change the subject to wiggle out of your comment.

Just as those from day one ( who have died) are NOT with the Lord in Heaven now, See Hebrews 12, those LOST are also waiting for the final judgement...called the second death.

Even though Angels don't die...they will have to answer for their rebellion and THEN will be thrown forever in the Lake of Fire. The Lake of Fire is the FINAL Judgement.

Virtual Reality Churches.
1 Corinthians 6:3

3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

Again some don't know scripture. And Nicole, please don't correct UNLESS you have scripture to support your comments.

We will not be judging the GOOD Angels they don't need to be judged. They never fell. Now man is different...we all fell when Adam fell, and we will either be at the Judgement seat of Christ or the Great White Throne...

Those IN CHRIST will be at the Jusgement seat of Christ for rewards....and will NOT be judged at the Great White Throne Judgement. However we will be there to JUDGE ...and it appears we will be judging the fallen angels.

Finish it here February 2018 #2
Luke , I do think your words to Mark_Eaton are very nice. It shows that others who don't believe in Calvinism, YOU can actually be nice to them. And it shows there are others here who don't hold to Calvinism or believe in it, but you will never challenge THEM like you and John do others? Is there a reason for this? I believe it's important we all know YOUR criteria for who you challenge and who you don't . So in other words YOUR personal feelings decide? And is that scriptural? Just wondering. So your posts here are actually based on your carnal emotions and not coming from the Lord, who has no respect of persons? Is that correct?

Even thou you've been gone for a while, Changing your name does not change your character.

Finish it here February 2018 #2
So Strongaxe, it just went south from there. I have a right to my beliefs. I never said for Mark_Eaton to follow my voice either. He attacked me...and I judged him with the same judgement....but showed him how shameful such a judgement was in the first place.

Why do some people only see what THEY want to see?

John also attacked me with issues having NOTHING to,do with Calvinism...out of hate.

So if I've been testy with these two they started it.

Humility is not letting people walk on you. It is OK to stand up for yourself.

Discussion is CLOSED. Either you get it or not.

The New Testament Books
Michael_e, you cannot separate the MYSTERY from the Holy Spirit given us. The US here is the BOC. It was given AFTER Jesus death resurrection ascention and Glorification EXCLUSIVELY ONLY TO THE BOC.

Please also read Hebrews 13:20-21 side by side with Romans 8:11-13. This is ALSO part of the Mystery.

Unfortunately you do not see the WHOLE and are short sighted about what you think THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO THE MYSTERY is.

You think because the Apostles didn't UNDERSTAND Jesus death and resurrection BEFORE the Holy Spirit was given excludes them from the CHURCH.....that is so WRONG. And personally I believe ANTI-Semitic. I believe ULTRA HYPER DISPENSATIONALISM IS ANTI-Semitic...

Christ Baptist Church
In Ephesians AGAIN , Paul is laying the foundation of THE MYSTERY, he totally Colossians 1:24-27 is. CHRIST IN YOU, THE HOPE OF GLORY. And Romans 16:24-27.... For the obedience of faith to all nations....the Gospel according to THE MYSTERY.

The Mystery is NOT God hand picking anyone before the foundation of the world ....the Mystery is Christ In You, and no where in Pauls teaching does he say what Calvinists ( who only use ONE VERSE out of context say). The use it out of context because they do not understand THE MYSTERY.

The ONLY way Christ can be IN YOU is to be Crucified with Christ and raised up together with Him a NEW CREATURE, becoming ONE WITH CHRIST.
The mystery is also THE CHURCH IS NOT ISRAEL.

No New Testament Written
The difference between an "identity" Ephraimite and a "spiritual" Ephraimite is night and day. The former is religious (seducing Christians into observing Torah because of some imaginary bloodline identity), arriving at a new religious fad .

Ephraimite, or "Two House" movement is in error for the following reasons:

flawed, unwarranted, and dangerous interpretation of scripture
inconsistent logic and contradictions
racist and race-based theology
theology that functions in the same way as supersessionism
historically inaccurate depictions of Israel
dangerous, false, and militant claims to the land which threaten the stability of the current State of Israel.

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