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Was Eve Called Adam
Paul was persecuted because he believed in Jesus as the Son of God, the promised messiah who died and rose again. He was being persecuted by Jews who rejected Jesus Christ as their messiah.

We see today Christians all over the world being persecuted because they believe in Jesus Christ as the Son of God. The RCC persecuted anyone who didn't believe their doctrine to the point of murder. So did John Calvin. A DISTORTED PERSECUTION

I don't see anyone here discussing scripture as persecuting anyone unless you're like the RCC or Calvin who don't like being questioned and are offended when questioned by other Christians ......but that's by no means persecution. If it was, then EVERYONE HERE IS BEING PERSECUTED.

Was Eve Called Adam

2 Peter 2:1
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Some here may not take this seriously. LADIES, don't be those SILLY WOMEN who believe men, because they tell you God only gives Truth to men, and you have to believe them. BELIEVE as Born Again Christians that YOU TOO have the Holy Spirit and He is OUR TEACHER TOO. Anyone who tells you differently are described in 2 Timothy 3. STAY AWAY FROM THEM. Especially when they insult you and don't respect your boundaries .

Does DNA Prove Creationism
I think I understand what the problem is. David needs to read all of Genesis 5. Adam had Seth when he was 130, and lived another 800 years after Seth was born. So as scripture clearly says Adam lived 930 years total. 930 minus 130 equals 800. And if you continue to read the pattern in which it is written, all these males from Adam to Seth etc God gives us how many years they lived. And the way it's stated does not say they begot children AFTER they died. The deeper problem is bringing this to David's attention ...he ignores and keeps on with insisting you agree with his half hearted reading.

It's important to read thoroughly. Maybe this is the problem we've had all along, Not paying attention to detail. I see this clearly now.

Does DNA Prove Creationism
Seeing this question is about DNA , if your going to take DNA seriously then you must take this seriously:

Genesis only mention 3 sons of Adam and Eve's children: Cain, Abel and Seth. But geneticists, by tracing the DNA patterns found in people throughout the world, have now identified lineages descended from 10 sons of a genetic Adam and 18 daughters of Eve.

If DNA can trace back this far, then DNA of another Creation of man not created from the dust of the earth would be evident as well. No such evidence.

Does DNA Prove Creationism
...When Adam and Eve ate from the Tree of Good and Evil, and then knew Good from Evil, they God (Genesis 3:22). And this is why they are called The Sons of God.
---David on 3/5/21

Also Strongaxe, my comment was in reference to Davids comment here. No scripture backs up that Adam and Eve were called Sons of God only because they ate the fruit. Adam was a son of God the moment God created him. God even called Israel His son. Exodus 4:22-23...God calls Israel His first born son. But wait, ....that seems a contradiction doesn't it?

Back to Davids appeared to me David thought Adams sin elevated Adam to a higher place. That contradicts ONLY JESUS CAN ELEVATE US TO A HIGHER PLACE.

Does DNA Prove Creationism
Genesis 5 reiterate and consolidate Genesis 1 and 2. it's ADAM created after the image of God. The male and female of Chapter 1 clearly states here is ADAM...CALLED THEIR NAME ADAM.

Genesis 5:1-2 This is the book of the generations of Adam.In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him, 2 Male and female created he them, and blessed them, AND CALLED THEIR NAME ADAM, in the day when they were created.

So David, it's time to end this nonsense. Scripture has proved your THEORY WRONG.

Seth's line that married into Cain's line became corrupted. However Noah's branch did not.

Close To End Times
Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

Here, those who claim Ephesians 2 is THEIR GOSPEL, yet in reality are still children of wrath by their example and words and animal like behavior of running in PACKS , easily led by the APE KING is so obvious in the DOC "UNFIT", using the behavior of APES as an example of the EARTHLY MINDED , in total contrast to ALL of what Ephesians teaches.

Importance Of Free Will

Genesis 3:5
For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

What I see ven is a parallel of you offering up the forbidden fruit of Gnosticism that promises to OPEN MY EYES, .....but you are the one blind here. I will NEVER DISOBEY God by eating philosophy and vein deceipt. You have, and therefore nothing you say is THE PURE WORD OF GOD. So one FINAL WORD TO YOU HERE VEN....GET THEE BEHIND ME SATAN.

Was Peter Saved Early
It must be stressed AGAIN Jesus said " He'll was not made for man but for the Angels" This again also shows no one was chosen to be saved or lost before the foundation of the world. Hell was created before the foundation of the world . If we Infact did exist and some chosen for life and the rest created for hell, then JESUS HIMSELF would have made no such statement. He would have said HELL WAS MADE FOR THE FALLEN ANGELS AND THE UNFORTUNATE UNELECT MAN.

Also wouldn't scripture also say our names were written in the lambs book of life FROM BEFORE the foundation of the world...NOPE. It says FROM the foundation of the world. EVERY WORD MATTERS. Pay attention to detail folks.

People Reject God


The Calvinist doctrine about humanity is not only antithetical to human life but antithetical to what Genesis 3 actually says. It doesnt say Adams sin caused anyone to lose freewill or moral capacity. Quite the contrary, God says Behold the man has become as one of us, knowing good and evil, and then just a little later God says to Cain If you do well, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do well, sin is at the door and it desires to have you but you can conquer it. The Calvinist says we lost freewill in the fall but God tells Cain he has freewill and can conquer sin, and if he does so he will be accepted.

Is The Bible God's Words

Those IN CHRIST are now sons and not servants re The law. The CROSS re our identification with Jesus in death and resurrection life has set us free from sin. We are now servants of righteousness.
Romans 6:7For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Romans 6:18Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

Romans 6:20For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.

Romans 6:22But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

Romans 8:2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

God Bless President Trump
Interestingly the Trump administration's signature headline, ALTERNATIVE FACTS coined by KellyAnn Conway, at I'm sure the encouragement of D Trump, since a book of his was written on HOW TO LIE , where even Evanka has quoted from about altering the truth and its effectiveness, have been doing this from the very beginning..OPENLY AND ADMIT TO IT. God is not a liar or the author of confusion brought about by these ALTERNATIVE FACTS aka BLATANT LIES IN YOUR FACE. Fake TIME News covers, and the list goes on and on.

Satan is just greasing you all up for his great day.....with lying signs and wonders.

My prayer is the Lord will open eyes before it's too late, and will bring Christians to their knees who are leading others to hell.

How To Calculate 666
Also Arafat the head of the PLO ...."the first TERRORIST", was an Egyptian.

So this idea of having a "Palestinian" State is a big hoax playing into end times and will be a big player along with surrounding Arab nations who come against Israel. Many around the world have bought into this HOAX and will find themselves on the wrong side of Prophecy and Gods will. we know Pope John Paul and Arafat made a secret covenant between them in 2000, the Pope inviting Arafat to the Vatican....look it up. BIG RED FLAG!

Church On Doctrines
The BIGGEST MIRACLE of all, The death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Yes I do believe but so do the demons, so what does that prove? THE RESULTS of Jesus death and resurrection, THAT'S A MIRACLE, and the purpose of THIS MIRACLE. You Nicole do not believe we are sanctified through the body of Christ ONCE AND FOR ALL, Heb 10 ,that those who believe are crucified with Christ and raised up together with Him A NEW CREATURE Romans 6 Gal 6 .... That the way into the Holy of Holies has been opened that YOU Nicole can come boldly to the throne of GRACE to the Lord Himself Heb 4...YOU Nicole do not believe that MIRACLE. Everything in your RCC doctrine scoffs at those MIRACLES that were a result of Jesus Death and resurrection.

Death Penalty Biblical
Those reading from Genesis to Revelation know the meaning of condemn. If Jesus didn't come into the world to CONDEMN the world...then He came to SAVE ...that only takes place via FORGIVENESS.

The Gospel is one thing, setting up Governments and laws are another. Jesus , Paul, Peter etc never told GOVERNMENTS who believe in the separation of Church and state how to run their governments. Jesus didn't come to save governments, but INDIVIDUALS from HELL...

John 8:10-11

10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? 11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

Yoke Of Bondage
The " Body of Christ " is spoken 4 times in the NT in the following epistles.

Yet Colossians 1:24-27 tell us exactly what the Mystery is, and never say the phrase BODY OF CHRIST...
ALSO Timothy 1-2 ...1-2 Thessalonians, Galatians, Philippians are to the BOC THE CHURCH....without saying BOC. So again a nothing burger there....proves nothing.

Romans (1)
1 Corinthians (2)
Ephesians (1)

Seven Spiritual Works Of Mercy
Just wanted to point out Nicole's dishonesty.

What we know it doesn't mean , is , it doesn't mean sodomy , even friendly sodomy with a non stranger is beautiful in the eyes of the Lord.
---kathr4453 on 10/10/19

Faith Without Works Dead
Just a note to JS1234, I know you know the site Got Questions, as I saw you copy and paste one of their answers as your own, to one of Cluny's questions. I followed up with the next paragraph, but I put in ITALICIZED showing its someone else's words not my own. Anyway, you can look on that site again since you are familiar with it to see what MOST CHRISTIANS believe "Spiritual" death means.

It doesn't mean physical death. Also the SECOND DEATH, may be something you should study as well.

What Is Earthly Tabernacle
I also don't believe 2 Corinthians 5:1 is a stand alone verse, but must be read including verses 2-8 with verse 1, concludes in verse 8. Paul is talking about the BOC, the CHURCH, those IN CHRIST, will never be separated from Christ whether here in the body or dead, and separated from our body. Our SOUL goes home to be with the Lord.
Also Romans 8'says NOTHING including death can separate us from the Love of God IN CHRIST.

2 Corinthians 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

Faith Without Works Dead
JS1234, on the same line of thought, if YOU want everyone in the end to go to heaven, that's ok with me too, HOWEVER, what God wants is an entirely different matter.

We are discussing Gods Word, not mans wants. So I find your comment here condescending , which is not much different than comments you seem to say you are above saying or doing. Sarcasm comes in all forms and fashion. Yours was loud and clear.

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