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Fail To Tell The Truth
  
David:

Unfortunately, there are many who claim to walk after the Spirit, and who honestly believe they do so, but in reality, do not. Evidence of this is the large number of denominations and sects and even cults that think they have a monopoly on truth, but are caught up in self-delusion and end up dividing Christ. Also, constant bickering on sites like this one.


kathr4453:

Yes, that is true. However it applies **to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.**

There are many who think they are doing so, but are not (see above). Only God can tell for sure which is which - which is why the wheat is sorted from the chaff AFTER the harvest, instead of while it is growing.


Christians Sell Cigarettes
  
You would need to ask yourself WHY you're doing this, and what they are being used for. Cigarettes serve no useful purpose, and are and addictive substance that causes long-term health problems for those who use them, which can result in illness, shortened life span, expensive medical bills, and death. Do you feel comfortable selling people things that will only harm them?


Fail To Tell The Truth
  
David8318:

You choke on gnats (spelling of God's name) while swallowing camels (claiming to be God's only spokesmen, yet repeatedly getting it wrong). You act like exact wording of God's Name is the central core of the Gospel. It is not.

Matthew 25. How did Jesus separate sheep from goats? Theological correctess? Pronouncing God's name? Being part of the Right Organisation? No. Always how one treats others: "I was hungry and you fed me, naked and you clothed me".

We know God's name is Yahweh (Jehovah is inaccurate, yet you allow that inaccuracy "due to custom" despite condemning everyone else's customs). We just don't obsess over making it more important than everything else, as you do.


Fail To Tell The Truth
  
David8318:

Yes, they did:

WT 5/1/1922 p73: the 'time of the end' began in 1799, that the Lord's second presence began in 1874.

WT 7/15/1894 p1677: bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble.

Millions Now Living Will Never Die, 1920, p97: 1925 shall mark the resurrection of the faithful worthies of old and the beginning of reconstruction

WT 1968: Are we to assume from this study that the battle of Armageddon will be all over by the autumn of 1975, and the long-looked-for thousand-year reign of Christ will begin by then?

I heard about their repudiating their old literature FROM THEIR OWN MEMBERS.


Fail To Tell The Truth
  
Trav:

The New Testament itself frequently uses the term "Jews" to refer to ALL of Israel, irrespective of tribe. The nation of Judah also included the tribe of Benjamin, and the very fact that priests were included meant Levi was included as well. I'm not singling out one specific tribe. I'm just following a convention established in the NT itself. It's a pity you keep choking on this gnat.

What is your evidence that any of the northern tribes have BECOME another nation, e.g. Saxons? Yes, Israel was scattered among the nations, but they always maintained their identity. Today we see groups of them practicing Judaism (i.e. the religion of Moses) all over the world.


Salvation In The Church
  
Trav:

Yes, that WILL happen at some time in the FUTURE. Every verse you quoted in Ezekiel 37 is in the future.

These are all things that will happen to Israel in the future. Read Romans 11. Paul talks about how we are wild branches grafted onto the olive tree because some of the natural ones were broken off (due to unbelief) - but we should NOT boast. If natural branches don't continue in unbelief, they will be grafted back. "that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. I.e. they WILL all come back in the future, but that has not yet happened.


Fail To Tell The Truth
  
David8318:

JWs lie. They use "The Truth", not mean "The Word of God", but "THEIR interpreation of the Word of God". "I came into The Truth in 1976" means "I started to study **The NWT Translation of the Bible, under the guidance of The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society** in 1976". They don't consider any translations of the Bible by other groups to be The Truth, nor studying the Bible without their direction to be The Truth either.

I spent one year (1976) with JWs until I stopped drinking their Kool-Aid, realizing they were guilty of all the things they accused other Christians of. I also have several friends who came out of that and still have family there, causing much grief.


Fail To Tell The Truth
  
Trav:

That Israel as a whole, has NOT accepted Christ is proof Heb 8:10 has not happened yet.

Read Zachariah 4 about the Day of the Lord. He will stand on the Mount of Olives, which will split in half from east to west, one half going north, one south (4). There is a geological fault there.

12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Clearly a sign of Jesus returning, his people FINALLY recognizing him. This has not happened yet.


Fail To Tell The Truth
  
David:

Nice theory, but it doesn't work in practice. For 2000 thousand years, Christianity has been the dominant religion in Europe and colonized areas (Americas, Australia, most of Africa). Despite this, those had much religious-inspired/justified violence - Inquisition, burning heretics, Irish sectarianism, slavery, slaughter and pillaging of Native Americans, etc.

Today, we have scandals about priests abusing children and preachers caught in child trafficking, adultery, affairs with pool boys, etc.

These are evidence they don't have the law in their hearts, and those who unquestioningly follow them obviously don't either.


Fail To Tell The Truth
  
David:

You qouted Hebrews 10:16. The big question is, what are "those days" and when is "after those days"? It certainly hasn't happened yet, because right now everyone learns the Law and Gospel by hearing and reading - they don't automatically know it by having it "written on their hearts". There is no group of people today like that. Nobody today believes from birth. Nobody has the Law from birth. They learn both in time as they grow up.

The Ten Commandments was written on stone tablets, and the Law of Moses was written on scrolls. Both require learning by reading or hearing.


Fail To Tell The Truth
  
Ruben:

An extremely ironic thing about JWs is they claim to be the only people on earth with "The Truth" (their name for the Word of God). They keep making predictions about the end of the world, that always fail to come true. Instead of admitting their errors, and the fact they might be just as fallible as everyone else, they just quietly revise their literature and stop publishing the old stuff and pretend it never happened. Their deception is so strong, they consider THEIR OWN LITERATURE from 50 years ago to be dangerous and subversive - and merely possessing it can be grounds for a member to be disfellowshipped! What legitimate church does that?

David8318: How do you justify that?


Fail To Tell The Truth
  
Trav:

You wrote: Truth cannot abide untruth.... therefore I post scripture that offends you.

Where did you ever get the idea that any particular scripture offends me, including the Ten Talents? You, however appear to be offended by my referring to Acts 2:44.

Sodom and Gomorrah were very liberal. You almost come out and admitted you are too. 1Co 6:9...

I don't see any mention of "liberal" here. You are inserting words into scripture that are not there. Talk about twisting scripture! Pot. Kettle. Black.


What Is A Seeker Friendly Church
  
Trav:

For someone who claims to not care, you seem to do an awful lot of judging and condemnation about it. Why is that?

The Bible mentions "liberal" many times, and always in a good way. 2000 years ago, the Pharisees were the self-righteous judgmental theologically-correct religious and political right, while Jesus and his disciples were the people-loving politically-incorrect religious-hypocrite-condemning rich-condemning left. Not much has changed in thousands of years.

The early church "kept everything in common" - the epitome of socialism.


Fail To Tell The Truth
  
Many people believe that they see the truth, and then act on it. However, many are also focused on the truth that they see, that they ignore other truths that are just as important, and sometimes even more important.

Which particular truth are you seeing that you feel that it's important to act on?


Salvation In The Church
  
Trav:

Kenneth Hagin wrote a book called "The Woman Question" about the issue of women being silent in the church. He pointed out that the Greeks used the same word for "woman" and "wife", so 1 Ti 2:12 could be read "I suffer not a wife to teach, nor to usurp authority over the husband" - which makes much more sense, as it aligns with other scriptures that deal with intra-family order. "Woman" and "man" contradicts other parts of the New Testament, where there are deaconesses, and women like Priscila heading congregations.

Why is almost EVERY single one of your posts an accusation? There is one figure in the Bible who does that. Guess who?


What Is A Seeker Friendly Church
  
Trav:

YOU started the "judge people by their news sources" thing first, so YOU state your sources first. If you think my sources are bad, you must have others you think are better - so prove it!

I don't get my news from any one news source. When I hear a story, I check multiple sources for multiple perspectives, e.g. Biblically required "two or three witnesses". Do you? Fox said nobody in their right minds takes Tucker seriously. If you do, you have problems.

Citizenship is irrelevant. I live here and pay taxes, but get no vote. The Revolution was fought over the injustice of taxation without representation, yet you dare apply the same unequal judgment to me that your ancestors fought against?


What Is A Seeker Friendly Church
  
Trav:

People "with the law in their heart" don't constantly lie, except when forced to tell the truth at the point of a lawsuit. They know "thou shalt not bear false witness" (and every other law) without being told by a judge. Every one of those in my last message lied and used "I was only kidding" as an excuse. Does that sound "Christian" to you? Would you want others to treat you that way, lying about you, and saying "we were only kidding" when cornered? If not, it's not acceptable "Christian" behavior.

You constantly criticize who you think *I* get my news from, yet you keep avoiding the question of where do *YOU* get your news from? Why do you not answer?


What Is A Seeker Friendly Church
  
Trav:

Fox News, Alex Jones, Sidney Powell, NewsMax, etc. don't "freely admit" guilt. They do so as a last resort, an excuse to avoid billions in libel judgments. Instead of admitting "We deliberately lied, so we're guilty of false witness", they weasel out with "It wasn't a lie, because it was just a joke."

Nowhere does the bible say "Thou shalt not bear false witness - unless you don't mean it", but these use that a "get out of jail free" excuse.

I AM NOT A COMMUNIST. You keep asserting this lie. "Thou shalt not bear false witness" seems to matter little to you.


What Is A Seeker Friendly Church
  
Trav:

You wrote: You or no one chooses..... maybe its the prob with your doctrine..... needs a little light.

Calvinism again. Yes, God invites us, but WE choose whether to accept that invitation. Otherwise, we're just puppets on strings, and puppets cannot be blamed for their own actions, because they are not THEIR actions.

If we have no say, why are you here, as nothing you say to anyone can convince anyone of anything, as only God could do that?

Why do you keep telling me I'm wrong? Is it to correct my behavior? If so, it implies I have some choice in it. If not, but just condemnation, you forget "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus". Make up your mind.



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