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Salvation In The Church
Trav, just because you're a man doesn't qualify you as a truth bearer. You're so worried about women utilizing their Spiritual Gift, you fail to see that Paul teaches ALL THE BODY OF CHRIST is working together for the same purpose. You don't believe in the Church or the BOC to begin with, so your rantings are only that. To prophe"S"y,spelled WITH AN S NOT C, is to reiterate what God has already spoken, not some new Revelation. It's also for the purpose of not being tossed about by every wind of doctrine that comes Armstrongism.

I'm addressing THE BOC, not you Trav. I'm just addressing to the BOC that your teaching is lopsided and fails to see THE WHOLE PICTURE. Only false teachers would object. The BOC would not.

Fail To Tell The Truth
Gal 3:17And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

I know its difficult to understand, but THIS COVENANT WAS MADE And Confirmed OF GOD IN CHRIST, before the foundation of the world, is not done away.

It's not the Old Covenant, it's not the New Covenant. The New Covenant REPLACED the Old NEVER replaced the EVERLASTING COVENANT, which is about Jesus Christ....not Jews or a 10N house. THIS COVENANT is the one Paul brings to the Gentiles, THOSE NOT JEWS OR 10N House...but heathans, barbarians, Greeks, AND JEWS in THIS DISPENSATION OF THE CHURCH AGE.

Who Is A Widow
Paul clearly tells us what the mystery is, and is openly stated for all to see. But as the parable goes....seeing they don't see, hearing they don't hear. This for you is because you have redefined words in scripture, like GENTILE, totally rearranging what so many verses are saying. Gentile in scripture as used by Paul mean Greeks, barbarians the heathans etc. (SOMETHING JEWS /10N WERE NEVER CALLED.) who were without God in the world and were strangers to the covenants of the covenants of Promise to Israel. The verses themselves clarify what "Gentile" means. Jew/10N were NEVER strangers to the promises given exclusively to them.

Fail To Tell The Truth
Yes thank you Lord you have not forgotten your chosen ISRAEL And all those promises you will absolutely keep concerning THE NATION, when the Father has in His own time chosen to restore, and THANK YOU LORD JESUS for dying on the cross for our sin and rising again for our justification. Thank you that whosoever will, Jew and Gentile, who have put their trust in you are going to be Glorified together with you, that you would share your Glory with us as members of YOUR BODY.. THE CHURCH. And the things you have in store for us.. eye has not seen or heard. That we don't know what we will be but we know we will be like you, for we will see you as you are.... Promised to the Church, not earthly Israel the Nation.

Fail To Tell The Truth
Heavenly Father, obedience to these verses some reject believing our genealogy matters. As far as the Church is concerned our genealogy doesn't matter, as the Gospel is offered to ALL SINNERS no matter who what when and where they came from.

Israel THE NATION, (after the Church is translated) GOD WILL KNOW WHO EVERY JEW IS and He alone will seal the 144,000. These 144,000 are not the JW's either.

1 Timothy 1:4Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law, for they are unprofitable and vain.

In Jesus name AMEN

Salvation In The Church
That may be so RichardC, however this is not church but a public forum, where there are no restrictions of women posting. Also, MEN, you do not have to listen or even respond to women who post. When YOU post back to a women it's YOU who are in violation.

So just pretend I'm addressing WOMEN ONLY here, and get over yourselves. Seeing I am an older woman over 70, have been SAVED through childbirth ..ha ha..,

TRAV or RichardC etc are also NOT MY HUSBAND OR MY HEAD. My head has given permission, therefore it's none of your business. I also have my head covered. Where scripture DOES give a women the right to pray, prophesy etc. 1 Cor 11:2-16. Consider my posts prayers and prophesy.

What Is A Seeker Friendly Church
Neither do yours Trav. As an open forum, everyone has as much right as you to their opinions and beliefs, seeing this is not Church, or any one denomination. If it were you would be kicked out of 99/100% of the churches and here. You would not be allowed to teach, preach etc, just because you are a man. Also your constant nagging about women teaching preaching here is also a non-qualifier ......seeing CN allows false teachers to post here....would not be allowed in Christian Churches. Every time you point fingers, three are pointing back at you.

Where are all your JEWS Trav...I see none here supporting you.

We know those who claim they are Jews and are not! Anyone can post OT scriptures. We can see through your smoke.

I Kissed Another Man
Scripture teaches friendship with the world is no different than Adultry ....and how often Christians kiss the lips of Satan daily. Yep, you are cheaters too, and according to some here will always be a cheater. Every time you laugh at a dirty joke or tell one, every time you watch R or X rated movies and don't turn off once you realize it's garbage, etc etc. ..

So I say, judge not lest YE be judged.

We are to work to restore ones life not totally destroy and smash it down. One day your husband will also fall, and realize FORGIVNESS if repentant is healing, and restores not only our personal relationships, but our relationship with the Lord as well. Don't be like the Pharisees who wanted to stone the women taken in Adultry.

Facial Church Attendance
I hope you come back JS1234, your posts of recent are awesome. Don't let Trav snide remarks get to you. He snaps at everyone as if he own these threads. You have as much right posting as he does. I see him meddle in others post continually and seems to have a blind spot accusing others while he is guilty of the many areas.

Salvation In The Church
Yes according to Srtongs woman can also be defined as wife. I can understand during the early church and seeing the Gospel according to the Mystery was given to Paul by revelation, gentile women were not educated, or did many of them know the OT since it was a Jewish book. But TODAY, we've come a long way and women are educated. Also it's possible that Jewish women like Priscilla were more learned in scripture and as Jews ARE THE SERVANTS OF GOD, and scripture clearly states NO ONE IS TO JUDGE GODS SERVANTS, Romans 4:14. You don't have to listen Trav. And it may be because I interfere with his false gospel, THAT IS WHY HE WANTS TO SHUT ME UP.

Never! All false prophets in scripture ARE MEN.

What Is A Seeker Friendly Church
Citizenship is not important. Geanology is not important. Age, gender, race is not important. Those who make these areas a point of contention are false teachers. NOT OF THIS WORLD ... WE SEE None of the Apostles mixed politics with Christianity. Those who mind earthly things are ENEMIES of the Cross. Now all I've said is in the Bible. Not some new redefined Gospel.

There are plenty of scriptures about being contentious .... And TRAV should meditate on those. Being contentious is ALL OF THE sinful flesh. No fruit of the Spirit comes from the flesh. 1 Corinthians 13 is impossible for them to understand. You will know them by their fruit... Even rotten fruit. No one can HEAR YOU TRAV because of a contentious spirit.

Salvation In The Church
And just to be clear here, the Gospel according to THE MYSTERY Romans 16:25-27 IS THE GOSPEL preached from Pentecost to today. Every single member of the Body of Christ is called to bring the Gospel to the lost souls of this world. WHOSOEVER is every human being under the sun. This Gospel is not about land, earthly Israel after the flesh, or promises to restore the Nation. We as the Body of Christ are NOT A NATION. WE HAVE NO PROMISED LAND TO RETURN TO. We are also not a RESTORED PEOPLE, but a NEW CREATION IN CHRIST.

Salvation In The Church
Deborah was a Judge in Israel....the equivalent to kings, before Israel had Kings. She was a married women. Queen Elizabeth l was a GOD APPOINTED QUEEN, as was The Queen of Sheba, who Jesus highly commended. Golda Meir was an awesome Prime Minister of Israel. Paul had many women he also commended. Many think Priscilla wrote Hebrews. It's a great possibility. God gave spiritual GIFTS to the entire body of Christ. Ephesians 4. Trav doesn't believe in the Body of Christ THE CHURCH, who is not earthly Israel, so Trav knows nothing about how these Gifts work THROUGH US. God has before ordained that I should know the Gospel, and spread the Gospel.

Also we are not in Church. Only insecure men keep throwing that verse at women.

Who Is A Widow
Christ in you, the hope of GLORY was never promised under the New Covenant or to earthly Israel. Now the NC says God will put His Spirit in you and cause you to walk in His Statutes and Ordinances, but nothing about CHRIST IN YOU THE HOPE OF GLORY. Earthly Israel will SEE the Glory of the Lord, as we see in Zechariah 14 at His second coming, HOWEVER the Church will be Glorified TOGETHER WITH CHRIST....Those who suffer with Him will also be Glorified together with Him. Romans 8:17. There are no scriptures in the OT that state what Paul states in Philippians 3 either. Paul is addressing THE CHURCH, both Jew and Gentile. But Paul does tell us in Romans 9-11 that the Church has not replaced the Promises given to earthly Israel.

What Is A Seeker Friendly Church
Well TRAV, I can see it's hard for you mixing and matching scripture to fit your needs. Nothing in Deut about chosen for eternal life. Seeing many died in disobedience and sin. Just look at all the rebellion when going to the promise Land, and who didn't enter because of lack of faith. See Hebrews 3-4.

The CHURCH has a heavenly calling ... Earthly Israel has an earthly calling. Please know the difference.

Who Is A Widow
Her ya go Trav.

Matthew 13:35 ....... I will open my mouth in parables, I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.

Romans 16:25
Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began.

Colossians 1:25Whereof I am made a minister,.....26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: 27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

Who Is A Widow
Acts 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

So here we have JESUS OWN WORDS that at the time of Pentecost the Kingdom was not at that time being restored to Israel....the Covenant promise to the Nation...STILL HAS NOT HAPPENED YET. The New Covenant to ISRAEL concerns EVERY SINGLE WORD IN EXEKIEL 36.

MY GOODNESS, If it happened, how in the world would God allow the Crusades, or the Holocaust happen....that would NEVER happen if Israel the Nation was restored through the New Covenant to them .

Who Is A Widow
ALL DAY LONG I HAVE REACHED OUT MY HAND TO YOU AND YOU WOULD NOT. Isaiah 65:2 Romans 10:21. Romans 10:1-8 show how and why Jews rejected Jesus. Interestingly to receive Jesus AND HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS you are choosing the NC. To continue under the law continually establishing your own righteousness have rejected Jesus and are still under the Old Covenant. No such thing as a New Covenant that leaves out Jesus.

Yes The OT foretold of a New Covenant, but it also foretold of Jesus death and resurrection, Isaiah 53. The Eunuch in Acts read out of Isaiah 53 asking Philip to explain. So the Gospel preached at the beginning was Jesus death and resurrection, of which they were a witness to, not a restored Nation of Israel.

What Is A Seeker Friendly Church
Well we have Isaiah and Romans ..that scriptural witness...ALL DAY LONG I HAVE STRETCHED OUT MY HAND TO YOU AND YOU WOULD NOT.


Servants are chosen. Just as Israel the nation, God said the elder will SERVE the younger, just as Jacob and Esau. Jacob was chosen FOR SERVICE.

SONS to become A SON, being brought into GLORY...a higher position than Earthly Israel, you must RECEIVE HIM. It's what WHOSOEVER WILL MEANS. Jesus first came to His own and His own...Earthly Israel received Him not.


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