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What Is A Seeker Friendly Church
  
Ok Trav, state here clearly for all, your definition of Judah, vs Israel.

Or what do you call the lost tribes? Gentiles?

What do you call those not the lost tribes or Judah?

What is your definition of the circumcision vs the Uncircumcision ?

If you say the Uncircumcision were lost tribes, prove that by scripture please.

Maybe your clarification of these supported by scripture may help us understand your dictionary of words and definitions?


Filled With Holy Spirit
  
Absolutely Josef, the key words here are IN HIM. God sees us IN CHRIST.

I in them and thou in me that we may be one...John 17. Here is how one comes to be IN CHRIST...ROMANS 6-8. No other way. A totally new way, never promised to earthly Israel. This was the Mystery kept secret but now revealed...Colossians 1:24-27. And those today IN CHRIST God no longer sees after the flesh. We are a NEW CREATION IN CHRIST. A HEAVENLY COMPANY...where our citizenship is IN HEAVEN right now as we speak. We are not promised LAND , as Christ alone is our land. And the promises to THE CHURCH are different than the promises to THE EARTHLY NATION OF ISRAEL during the 1000 year reign..the earthly Kingdom...


Filled With Holy Spirit
  
Deut 30 says nothing about God making them righteous because they loved God. Also David how do you explain away this truth.

Romans 10:10 And not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac,

11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth..... 13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

I'm not promoting Calvinism here, but it opposes your teaching.

Do your children or wife have to earn your love? So sad.


Was Eve Called Adam
  
AMEN DAVID. I LOVE THIS VERSE. Also note it has nothing to do with claiming to be a physical descendent of Jacob. Jesus said to unbelieving Israel....Abraham rejoiced to see my day, he saw it and was glad. To Israel He said, if you were Abrahams seed you would KNOW WHO I AM. The Jews kept the law, as Paul who said he was blameless under he Law. So we see Both Jesus and Paul say Abrahams children are those of FAITH. Thank you David for posting that.

Galatians 3:7

7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

I being OF FAITH am a child of Abraham.


Was Eve Called Adam
  
Trav
Interesting...
You believe in obedience to the Gospel of Jesus Christ for salvation, but not in salvation for the Gentile who obeys it. Whereas, Kathrine believes in salvation for the Gentile, but not in obedience to the Gospel of Christ for that salvation. Here is a passage written to both of you.

(2 Thessalonians 1:7,8, & 10)....
---David on 3/20/21


David how dare you slander and then use scripture to threaten me.

I'm sick and tired of you claiming I don't obey the Gospel of Christ. It's YOU David who does not. You don't even believe in the Deity of Christ. I don't think you even KNOW what the GOSPEL IS.....Its in 1 Cor 15:1-4.


Is God In Control
  
David , I also have to add this....if this virus was reversed and overwhelmingly killed white men and woman, and not Blacks and Latinos, we would for sure be seeing a whole different approach to this pandemic. I would stake my life on it.


Can Anyone Understand Gospel
  
David Paul does not say SIN is destroyed.

Because YOU don't understand what Paul is saying YOU argue against the truth. If you keep saying what Paul never said, building a straw man you can knock down, you've only argued against something never said in the first place.

Everything about our old man is sin, and sin will ALWAYS be in its members, as Paul shows in Romans 7. Paul also said Jesus set us free from the body of this death....

If you simply can't believe what God has said, you have NO FAITH in this area. Not all men have faith. So with that , You're going to have to work out these truths with the Lord. I can only testify to them and point you to them. I can't make you believe and obey them.


Can Anyone Understand Gospel
  
David, I'm asking you to put scripture here stating explicitly that "God saves those He Loves." I can find NO SCRIPTURE supporting your belief here. Please don't nail together scripture that makes it look like it says that. I can also nail together scripture stating anything I want.

BUT FIRST
1) GOD IS NOT A RESPECTOR OF PERSONS. 2) Romans 5 state those who are JUSTIFIED are those where the LOVE OF GOD IS SHED ABROAD IN OUR HEARTS BY THE HOLY SPIRIT.

So now find a verse where God justifies those he loves....AGAIN, it's not there. God JUSTIFIES THE UNGODLY.. Romans 4:5. It doesn't even say God justifies the elect either. The Bible does not support your theory.


Close To End Times
  
One must include verse 21 to matthew5:22 to get its CLEAR meaning. We see below neither Jesus nor Paul have MURDER in their hearts.NOR DO I.

Luke 11:40: "You fools!"

Romans 2:20: "an instructor of the foolish"

1 Corinthians 15:36: "You foolish person!"

2 Corinthians 12:11: "I have been a fool!"

1 Peter 2:15: "put to silence the ignorance of foolish people."

Luke 24:25: "O foolish ones

Romans 1:14: "I am under obligationto the wise and to the foolish"

Galatians 3:1: "O foolish Galatians!..."

Galatians 3:3: "Are you so foolish?..."

Titus 3:3: "For we ourselves were once foolish.


Close To End Times
  
Strongaxe, Certainly we can be angry and sin not....but the sin isn't calling someone a fool or foolish, or their actions foolishness. The Bible is steeped with many verses concerning this. Proverbs 26:4-5 says, ANSWER NOT A FOOL ACCORDING TO HIS FOLLY, ANSWER A FOOL ACCORDING TO HIS FOLLY. So I guess it's ok to recognize a fool, but just don't say the word aloud?? I don't believe this is what Jesus meant.

If you have ANGER in your heart is the core here. Anger that leads to murder....and then call a brother a fool...

But I don't have anger or hate in my heart towards those who falsely accuse me because they can't read and understand my posts . Frustrated yes, hate NO.


Is God In Control
  
Strongaxe, can you believe what came out today...a tape recording of Trump, and how he blatantly lied to the American people about Covid. All on tape...that his faithful followers now have to say that LYING IS NOT A SIN. Talk about trying to normalize blatant sin. And then being attacked by his cult followers the way Scientiology attacks anyone who tries to expose the. Ven's rantings show he is just another hatchet man defending his god. ....THE DEVIL. who is the author of confusion, a murderer from the beginning, and the father of lies.

This makes it EASY to laugh off any comments you make ven. We've got your number.


Close To End Times
  
Jerry, this describes YOU.

Jude 1:10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves. 11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core. 12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds, trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots, 13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame, wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.


Is God In Control
  
Let's be clear here. If perchance Trump wins, and all you yahoos jump up and down saying YEA, GOD IS IN CONTROL , so Trump must be a good guy, you may want to REREAD your Bibles. There are times God allowed evil kings and rulers in power TO PUNISH folks . When we see the Real Jesus contrasted with the REPUBLICAN Jesus, the real gospel contrasted with the prosperity gospel , or the Gospel of America, ...WE SHOULD GET OUR ( bleep) handed to us. God has been long suffering enough with this false gospel not only here, but our affect around the world bringing it there. Has the fullness of the Gentiles come in....is this time coming to a close? Maybe. and when we see this happening THE TIME OF ANTI-CHRIST is right on its heals. WAKE UP PEOPLE.


Close To End Times
  
Ven, you are tooooo brainwashed to even reason with. Trump got in because people voted against Hillary, not FOR Trump. And we see again TODAY RUSSIA is STILL interfering with our elections. Did you not know FB scrubbed AGAIN all the fake RUSSIAN accounts, that caught them off guard the first time. Where do you live ven, Mars ? No one is angry Hillary didn't win. That's just FOX NEWS GARBAGE. No one really knew just HOW DANGEROUS Trump really is. Even his own sister says he's a liar and fake. Family knows best ven. And many a Republican is against Trump. Wake up.


Close To End Times
  
Yes yes Jerry ...I know you said anarchist, not anti_Christs, but in this day and age, seeing THE NEW REPUBLICAN PARTY claims to be God's anointed right hand of rule, it's not that different. Actually anarchists is really not a dirty word as this NEW REPUBLICAN PARTY wants you to think. It means people want LESS GOVERNMENT CONTROL over folks, which is what the OLD REPUBLICAN PARTY use to stand for. People are rebelling against THE NEW REPUBLICAN PARTY instigating a race war so obvious with Tucker Carlson and Ann Coulter's recent remarks, I find to be totally out in lala land ....so let's get the TRUTH CORRECT HERE.


Is God In Control
  
I don't think Joseph or Daniel bowed down to the powers over them. Getting thrown into an oven should prove that point. Even into death should be our stand when it comes to NOT OBEYING authority over us. My goodness, what if we are asked to pledge or sign something denying Jesus Christ? Paul was thrown in prison a few times for disobeying those authorities forbidding the preaching of Christ. Once he escaped being let down in a basket over a wall.

The Beast will be in authority over man. ven is going to obey the beast because he has been brainwashed in thinking since he's the elect God won't care. WRONG.


Importance Of Free Will
  
Secondly, the words SPIRITUALLY DEAD are found no where in scripture. Be careful of folks creating a fake straw man to promote their fake gospel. As I showed In 1 Corinthians 15, the first man Adam was not spiritual to begin with. The fallen angels you might say are SPIRITUALLY dead for all eternity. no scripture says mans spirit died. And it is impossible for Gods Spirit in us to die.

Romans 1-2 show right after Adam sinned....MAN CHANGED THE GLORY OF GOD into worshipping idols. God never hid HIS GLORY FROM THEM. Romans 1:23

Also note Exodus 24:16-17 Exodus 29:43, Exodus 40:34-35


Importance Of Free Will
  
David, re: sin... All I can say is follow Romans 6-8 very carefully. Believe every word very carefully. The blood of Christ washes away our sin, but it doesn't wash away our old man. Our identification with Jesus in death and resurrection life puts away the old man. If we walk in newness of life, God no longer seeing us after the flesh, but in the Spirit, having therefore no condemnation to those who walk after THE LAW OF THE SPIRIT OF LIFE IN CHRIST, as this LAW is the Law we are now to obey....those alive from the dead.

Because now God sees us IN CHRIST. When God looks at us, HE SEES CHRIST IN US. And the only way one can break the dominion of sin over us is to be A NEW CREATURE IN CHRIST.


Should Churches Pay Taxes
  
What I find interesting about the no free willers is this. When asked WHY DO YOU preach the Gospel, if God has already chosen ....and they always reply....BECAUSE the chosen will hear and be saved..or something like that. BUT, they never come on here to preach any gospel EVER. Preaching man does not have free will IS NOT THE GOSPEL, and not a single soul will be saved by that argument ever. So they are actually squandering their time on earth arguing about something that will NEVER bring anyone to Christ.

Everyone can see this but them. The Apostles and Prophets NEVER EVER taught such nonsense. You will not see it in any of their writings.

I call it Satans fillabustering and they are squarely in Satans grips.



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