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What Is The Gospel
  
Kathrine
Again...your doctrine disagrees with Jesus...not Paul. You simply use a few verses from Pauls epistles in which to weave your tangled web.

You hate me, because it's so easy for me to show folks the absurdity of your false doctrines. Absurdities, I reveal, in the hope folks will feel too foolish to follow. I will give your teachers credit though, The most powerful argument against their lies, is the Truth. And in your eyes, they were able to toss it aside.

That Truth which comes from The Gospel of Jesus Christ, written in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Yours is the only doctrine I have ever heard of, which has done this. Truly an Amazing feat!!


What Is The Gospel
  
In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.(2 Corinthians 13:1)

Kathrine
These are Pauls words above, not my commentary. Just One of many examples, of clearly written scripture, used by multiple teachers in the Bible. Scripture you simply dismiss....

Put me in my place...Show us someone else in the Bible...Pauls witnesses...teaching the,"No Works" doctrine, the doctrine you claim Paul taught.
I will leave you this Example of multiple witnesses, teaching the same thing I teach.
(Matthew 16:27) (Romans 2:6) (Revelation 20:13)

See how easy it is for someone who teaches the truth? And Notice...I give specific verses.


What Is The Gospel
  
Why have you always argued against Roman's 6-8?---kathr4453

Kathrine
My argument has never been with Romans....or anything Paul wrote. My argument is with doctrines like yours, who think they can mold Paul's letters into their own Truths, without any witnesses to corroborate these teachings. And which furthermore, Diametrically Oppose what Jesus taught.

Now, I will let you prove me wrong, in front of all your followers. Show me where Jesus Christ or any of his disciples taught the, "Not by Works, but by Grace" doctrine as you teach it.
Humiliate me...we're waiting!!

And then I will teach it, with multiple witnesses...including Paul.







What Is The Gospel
  
David doesn't believe Roman's 6-8.
Beware of false teachers.
---kathr4453


Ahhh...another lie from Kathrine. Her words have no Truth, so she is left with lies, lies she had learned from her Father.
As Jesus foretold...

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own, for he is a liar and the father of it.
(John 8:44)


What Is The Gospel
  
Ruben
Sin separates us from the light of God. Without the light of God, we walk in darkness. When we confess our sins before God, and ask for forgiveness, God forgives the sin, if we meet the conditions set forth by Jesus in (Matthew 6:14-15).

When our sins are forgiven, the Light Of God is instantly restored. When we are in the Light of God...our conscience becomes sensitized to the Evil in the world. It's as if, we can now see the world, through the eyes of God.

No need to prove what I say is true, because I'm sure you have experienced this at least once in your life. Only now you know what that experience was all about.


What Is The Gospel
  
How does one go about knowing he is guided by the Holy Spirit?---Ruben

(Romans 9:1 & 2)

Ruben
"Let your conscience be your guide." The early church taught this, because they knew the answer to this question. The Holy Spirit teachers us right from wrong....through our conscience. The Spirit Teaches us...The Law of Christ. (John 14:21)

Does our conscience bother us when we are doing Good?
No.
It only bothers us, when we are not doing the will of God. The conscience in most people, is very weak. They break the Law over and over...and they feel nothing.
Why?
Because they do not walk in the Light.


What Is The Gospel
  
Ruben
Meaning...there are thousands of doctrines around the globe, all divided against each other. Each one believing they are teaching the Truth. Look in any town and you will see many different churches.
Do they worship together?
No.
Why not?
Because they all think they have the Truth, and all the others churches teach a false doctrine.
You will not know who is led by the Holy Spirit, unless the Holy Spirit is leading You.The Bible was never intended to be an instruction manual, to be used without a teacher. And if that teacher isn't Gods Holy Spirit, you won't know who teaches the Truth.


What Is The Gospel
  
What does one have to do to ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST?---kathr4453

Kathrine
It means to accept the sacrifice he has offered us, by using his body and his blood for the forgiveness of sin. So that we can walk in the light and not in darkness.
It means to accept the gift of the Holy Spirit, the gift he has given us, to guide us through the darkness.

Most Christians today are not led by the Holy Spirit, but by teachers who are led by the Bible. The Holy Spirit has been with Christians for thousands of years..The Bible?...A few hundred years
What did folks use before the Bible?
They only had Gods Holy Spirit, where there is One Truth..One Way.
The Bible is a amazing, but only when it is used properly.


What Is The Gospel
  
Now interestingly I have pressed David for a couple years here concerning his belief in the DEITY OF CHRIST.---kathr4453

To be clear, No....I do not believe Jesus is God the Father. I believe Jesus is the Son of God...period, which is what the Bible teaches, which would make him a deity.


What Is The Gospel
  
I don't believe there is any scripture that says we must "accept Christ" StrongAxe

StrongAxe
That's the summary of the entire New Testament. If sin is your master (John 8:34) and you want to change masters, don't you need to accept Jesus to be your new master? If not, please explain how you make Jesus, Lord, without accepting him?

Now by simply accepting him in that role, does not make him your master. This obedience is much like adultery, which brings death to the old man. When dead...then Jesus can become your new master.

(Romans 7:2)
For the woman who hath a husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth, but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of the husband.


What Is The Gospel
  
I believe that you need a relationship with God, but no where does it say you need to accept Jesus Christ as your savior to be saved.---Ruben on 1/6/22

Ruben
Sorry brother, I was in a hurry when I replied and didn't read through your whole post. I totally agree..and great point!!

Not that it's totally false, we do need to accept Jesus as Lord and Savior. Problem is, people only see him as their Savior...never making him their Lord.

StrongAxe
Your right..I didn't answer your question. Thought I did, but after paring it down to fit, I removed the answer. I don't go to a church. The People as Great!! But listening to the teachings are like fingernails on a chalkboard.


What Is The Gospel
  
Ruben
You need to use a little deductive reasoning. Now here is another Example...
(Matthew 7:22-23) Many will say to Me in that Day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy name, and in Thy name have cast out devils, and in Thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, "I never knew you: depart from Me, ye that work iniquity."

"I never knew you",..this is something you say, to someone, with whom you don't have a relationship. So this clearly shows you must have a relationship with Jesus to be saved...else he will say..."I never knew you".
Understand?
If not, try reading what Jesus taught in the Gospels, then you may be able to see it for yourself.


What Is The Gospel
  
Where in scripture tells us we are saved through personal relational with God?--Ruben

(John 14:23-24) Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love Me, he will keep My words, and My Father will love him, and We will come unto him and make Our abode with him. He that loveth Me not, keepeth not My sayings. And the Word which you hear is not Mine, but the Fathers who sent Me.

Ruben
According to Jesus, Who loves him?
His servants.
And what is Gods reaction to those who serve Jesus?
He loves them.
What benefit do we receive from his love?
They will make their home with us.

Can any of this happen, if we are not in a relationship with God?


What Is The Gospel
  
Do you know ANY church where 100% of the people in it have never sinned after being saved, not even once?---StrongAxe

StrongAxe
We are saved as individuals, through a personal relationship with God. I doubt anyone in a mainstream church is saved, because they have been led astray...by a false doctrine. Which are like fingernails on a chalkboard to the saved.

That's not to say God won't save them, though they followed a false doctrine. For I have personally witnessed folks saved on their DeathBeds....as mentioned in (1Corinthians 3:14-15).
These were good folks, who faithfully served Jesus most of their lives, but were taken in by a mainstream church.

My hope, is You and Kathrine are in that number.


What Is The Gospel
  
Romans 6:5-7) For if we have been planted together in the likeness of His death, so we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection, knowing this: that our old man is crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin.

If the body of sin has died, if folks have been resurrected in the likeness of Christ, why do they continue to sin, if the body of sin has died?

Paul clearly taught the whole point of being born again, is to rid the body of sin. But if the body of sin has died, why do folks continue to sin?
If the Born Again continue to sin after being Born Again...Whats the point of being Born Again?


What Is The Gospel
  
Why do some folks think when they sin, they are obeying Christ? Why do some folks think Christ is in them, when they sin?


Love God And Others
  
Dear David, the word of God is not a book of "Confucius says" sayings where you can just pluck out a verse whenever it is convenient for you and try to intimidate others you think must be stupid.--Kathr

Kathrine
I do not see you as stupid, but as foolish. And the reason for this is simple. Your teachings are not founded on the teachings Jesus Christ gave us to follow. But it's better if he tells you this....

Therefore, whosoever heareth these sayings of Mine and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, who built his house upon a rock. And every one that heareth these sayings of Mine and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, who built his house upon the sand, (Matthew 7:24,26)


Love God And Others
  
Kathrine
Calling people names and telling lies about them does not make it true, nor does it bode well as to your level of maturity. So take the high road this time and tell us how you translate (2 Corinthians 13:1), instead of spewing insults and lies as a defense.


Love God And Others
  
Kathrine
Again..I reject your doctrine because you attempt to establish the Truth, without a witness to what you believe Paul wrote.

Here is a clearly written example, from Paul no less that...You Reject.
(2 Corinthians 13:1)This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.

This is why your doctrine is so incomprehensible. If what I say is not true, tell me, Why do your teachers need to teach the same people, the same things, over and over, throughout their entire lifetimes? Someone taught you how to tie your shoes when you were little, does someone still need to teach you how to tie your shoes?



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