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Christians Sell Cigarettes
The 4 Gospels ...Do not go to the Gentiles ..but to the lost sheep of Israel. (sic)

Is David now saying he is Israel, a Jew? Simply put, Peter AFTER Jesus rose from the dead was sent to Cornelius. Peter even argued with God. Saying...we are forbidden to enter the house of ANOTHER NATION re Gentiles.... ACTS 10:28

This understanding and teaching CAME AFTER Jesus 4 Gospels.

David has a choice here....either to accept God was still teaching the Apostles AFTER JESUS ASCENSION, ***JOHN 16:12 **** one being that NOW GENTILES were offered the Gospel of salvation, OR he is Trav.

Luke wrote Luke and Acts...and much of it long before he even meeting Paul and AFTER JESUS ASCENSION.

Do Unsaved Live Forever
Trav, and exactly what do your verses have to do with soul sleep?

Again, showing confusion and misappropriating scripture relevant to the subject at hand, Trav either needs to lay off the booze , or get the mental health issues addressed.

Being angry all the time, spending long nights awake thinking up hateful jabs not relevant to these subjects is sad. Who has respect for that? Gods power does not speak through hate.

Trav is blowing his horn in the wind.

Who Are The Masons
I never said God cast away His people. I said those who have rejected Jesus Christ who have already died in their sin have no second chances.

Just an example...those who rebelled in the wilderness, those who refused to enter the promise land DIED IN THEIR SIN. HOWEVER "Israel the nation," having been reduced to those 20 and under except for Joshua and Calab did enter the promise land. It will be the same scenario at Jesus 2nd Coming.

Israel refer to the NATION ...a Jew refer to individuals. No scripture says every single Jew will be saved.

Just because you too have chosen to rewrite the Word of God doesn't make it true.

Saved Without Holy Spirit
The Holy Spirit being HOLY cannot indwell an unsaved sin filled person. The Holy Spirit can draw you, convict you, etc, without being in you. Repentance means to turn to Jesus Christ. Peter spoke those words in Acts, to Jews who had just crucified their Messiah. And as Paul said, John baptized with Water, but JESUS BAPTIZED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT AND WITH FIRE. This was made clear to those Paul encountered when he asked...HAVE YOU RECEIVED THE HOLY SPIRIT SINCE YOU BELIEVED? Acts 19:2 Not since you repented? They already repented with John's water baptism.


Christians Sell Cigarettes
Here we have Acts ch 15 GRACE. where LUKE, testifies of PETER writes...,

Acts 15: 6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.7 .......Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. 8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us, 9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.


Vs 11 PETER SAID..not Paul...But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ WE SHALL BE SAVED, even as they.

Christians Sell Cigarettes
When we Repent and are baptized we then receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. We are not saved when we receive the gift of the Holy Spirit, as you believe. We are saved, when we are born of the Spirit. Many folks receive this gift, but very few are born of the spirit. (Matthew 22:14)

---David on 6/18/21

Matt 22:14 say " many are called but few are chosen". David believes one must reach sinless perfection to be CHOSEN and WALLA YOU ARE BORN AGAIN. But let's take Paul. God CHOSE PAUL when he was dead in trespasses and sin, being struck down on the road to Damascus on his way to murder more CHRISTIANS,who believed in and upon Jesus which Paul did not AT THAT TIME.

Scripture disagrees with the Gospel of David.

Christians Sell Cigarettes

1 Corinthians 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand,

2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures,

4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

Notice it doesn't say according to Paul. Hummm. THIS IS THE GOSPEL DAVID REJECTS.



Christians Sell Cigarettes
David asks:
Using the teachings of Jesus Christ, and only those he taught to his disciples to teach us, show me the Lords teachings on Grace.///



John 3:16 IS GRACE.

FAITH BEGAN IN GENESIS. And this too is what David rejects. Yet JESUS reiterated FAITH over and over.

What must I do to be saved....BELIEVE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AKA FAITH. ACTS 16:30-33

Lets take Peter not Paul here regarding SIN. 1 Peter 4.....Does David reject this teaching too?...

So David claims he understands better than Peter too?

Jews Under The Old Covenant
Ok Trav, so you are admitting those who rejected Jesus , Jesus rebuked. Good start here. They are the BLIND BRANCHES we see Paul referring to in Romans 11. As a matter of fact most of Israel today are BLIND . Now TODAY, I believe God is GRAFTING IN GENTILES and then after that will one day Graft in again the natural branches...WHO ARE BLIND. But that's FUTURE. And unfortunately in the meantime, I mean these last 2000 years MULTITUDES OF JEWS/ISRAEL/ NTH HOUSE are second chances. They simply have rejected Jesus and did not the works of Abraham....which is believing in Jesus....just as He clearly stated right there in John 8. Abraham's spiritual seed REJOICED TO SEE THE DAY OF JESUS CHRIST THEN....NOT FUTURE.

How To Love
Trav, you described David perfectly with your verses you just posted. Thank you.

David is still up to thinking he knows more than all the Apostles put together. Even though they walked with Jesus, learned FIRST HAND from Jeses, witnessed His death and resurrection, David refuses to believe anything Jesus said or referred to concerning His resurrection life. Much like you have Trav.

I know your doctrine has issues as to Jesus, like David, only recognize Jesus as a good teacher etc, but not THE SON OF GOD. GOD IN THE FLESH. Neither of you believe in the deity of Jesus Christ. A DEAL BREAKER ALL THE WAY AROUND.

Do Unsaved Live Forever
Ok so Trav also does not believe in eternal life. But I get that, because only God THROUGH JESUS CHRIST can give "eternal life". Our eternal life is stated in Colossians 3:1-4 and Hebrews 12.....SHOWING TWO WITNESSES HERE , as I don't need the witnesses of men...or SDA's soul sleep doctrine, or Trav nonsense either.

Neither Trav or Jerry have the witness of CHRIST IN THEM.....Where this eternal life is ETERNAL...

So why do I need their witness?

Trav loves to step in others mess the saying...."FOOLS RUSH IN WHERE ANGELS FEAR TO TREAD". Proverbs 13:20

Who Are The Masons
Trav, oh my, are you ok? I see on another thread you did come around and posted Jesus rebuke to Israel...John 8...if you were Abrahams seed you would do the works of Abraham...stating I guess not all Israel is Israel......and NOW you claim BLINDED ISREAL is ..and will one day be saved. My my. I don't think you can keep your story straight Trav. I have to wonder if you have memory issues, or maybe something else is going on with you. I know you can't complete full sentences and throw around verses that don't even apply.

So seeing a diminished capacity here, I'm going to just leave you in your state of confusion.

Christians Sell Cigarettes
Thank you StrongAxe. David knew what I ment , just as you did, but decided to make a joke if it, as I see he finds this all funny.

The New Covenant in Jesus BLOOD, and the Everlasting Covenant also in Jesus Blood...Hebrews 13:20-21 promise The Holy Spirit accompanying salvation. David, without understanding, is calling the Trinity three separate individual Gods, where they do things separately but not as one. HERESY. Colossians 3:1-4, John 17 , Roman's 5- 8 just to name a few places show THE ENTIRE TRINITY INDWELS THE BELIEVER upon repentance UNTO LIFE. Aka salvation. People don't repent just so they can have the Holy Spirit, and not salvation. Yikes...Acts 16:30-34....WHAT MUST I DO TO BE SAVED?

Jews Under The Old Covenant
Deu 27:18Cursed be he that maketh the blind to wander out of the way. And all the people shall say, Amen.

Those who are causing Israel, Jews NHouse whatever to believe in 1/2 truths ,to wander out of the way, God has cursed.

Today is the day OF SALVATION. And there is no salvation except IN CHRIST JESUS. All those promises Trav posts concerning Israel are wrapped up in JESUS CHRIST. From Genesis to Revelation, the Bible is about JESUS CHRIST..THE ALPHA AND OMEGA BEGINNING AND END.


Unless Trav has an alternate bible, as many cults do...JW, MORMON ETC, God has called ALL MEN EVERYWHERE TO REPENTANCE. ACTS 17:30

Christians Sell Cigarettes
David, I showed you Cornelius was SAVED when he received the Holy's right there in Peters testimony in Acts 11. Like I said, you are all over the place, and do not exhibit Galatians 5:22-25 every minute of every day therefore you are NOT SINLESS. Just claiming you are doesn't make it so. You are delusional. You spout you are sinless, which Cornelius, Stephen, Paul, Peter James , Barnabas etc never once made such a statement or taught sinless perfection or ANYTHING YOU TEACH. They are OF FAITH....YOU ARE NOT.

Anyone can take verses and make up their own you have. Even stating you agree with Hinduism... I'm done with your trolling here. LEAVE ME ALONE PLEASE. Your looking more and more like a stalker.

Saved Without Holy Spirit
So what doctrine teaches you can have the gift of the Holy Spirit , and MAYBE, if you are able to achieve sinless perfection ... Like David claimed .. and THEN seeing you have achieved this then you can be Born Again and saved.

He claims Paul, Barnabas, Timothy, Cornelius, Stephen etc, etc, all taught this. Where?

So when asking about this, David claims the verse MANY ARE CALLED BUT FEW ARE CHOSEN prove this doctrine. I've have never heard God only chooses those who have achieved sinless perfection. God chose Paul and he sure wasn't sinless when he was struck down on the road to Damascus. He was 1) a murderer of christians 2) didn't believe then Jesus was the Christ.

Is this person trolling here?

How To Love
A troll is Internet slang for a person who intentionally tries to instigate conflict, hostility, or arguments in an online social community. Platforms targeted by trolls can include the comment sections of YouTube, forums, or chat rooms......And even Christian forums.

There's an interesting doc on Netflix called THE CON. I was especially enlightened by the last one...the Hollywood troll. The con games people play with others for who knows what reasons, are everywhere. But I found Davids statement above....(should be read in entirety,on 'Should Christians sell cigarettes'. ) A perfect TROLL TACTIC described in the definition above. Steeped with Gaslighting to get a reaction...MINE WAS PITY for David, EXPOSING a sad and dark heart.

Christians Sell Cigarettes
StrongAxe .....But then again, if you answered it truthfully, Kathrine would now be spewing lies about you instead of me. Which is another clue according to (Revelation 21:8).

---David on 6/15/21

A sinless person is described in Galatians 5:22-25. I see no FRUIT OF GALATIANS 5:22-25 AKA "SINLESSNESS." IF one walks in THE SPIRIT 24/7/365 in David. Also for there to be any fruit, one must be crucified with Christ...where our flesh is crucified, and we now BELONG TO CHRIST JESUS.....AKA BEING SAVED.

This David does not believe, or practice. Nor is his projection of his lie above posted on 6/15 FRUIT, or 1Corinthians's maliciousness...evil.

David is a very confused person who is not sinless.

Saved Without Holy Spirit
David is under a strange teaching that you can be given the Holy Spirit but not be saved. However I can't find any such teaching in scripture or any such teaching under the New Covenant or the Abrahamic Covenant that promises the Holy Spirit. I've combed through 2 Corinthians 3, Hebrews ...every chapter...where the Covenant promising the Holy Spirit is confirmed in THE BLOOD OF JESUS.

David wants to separate the Trinity into three separate Gods...where the Holy Spirit lives in you, but not the Father or the Son.

I believe this is heresy, and John 17 clearly show Davids ideas are heresy.


Colossians 3:1-4 also confirm this.

How To Love
But then again, if you answered it truthfully, Kathrine would now be spewing lies about you instead of me. Which is another clue according to (Revelation 21:8)
---David on 6/15/21

Yes here is an example of the very opposite of what JS1234 just posted. 1Cor 13. Projecting someone would do evil out of their own imagination, falsely slandering another, even accusing Strongaxe of lying... ....remember evil comes from an unregenerate heart...

So if you are not measuring up to 1Corinthians 13, can you claim you are sinless?

Maybe those who claim to be sinless have a different definition of sin than the Bible does. Beware of heretics.

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