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Who Are The Masons
Strongaxe, all we can do is look to scripture to see examples. I chose Cornelius as an example, also showing there is no such thing as a heart so depraved before salvation it can't desire God. But Cornelius hearing the Gospel was by divine appointment. God sent Peter specifically to share the Gospel of salvation with him.

And then the Jews having so much PRIVLEDGE of being given everything needed to believe, yet hardened their own hearts...but not all of them.

JS1234, no second chances after you are dead. It doesn't always mean LUCK. But I think you knew I wasn't talking about the game of chance/luck.

Do Unsaved Live Forever
Strongaxe, exactly. Totally agree. Trav is not speaking for God, but for himself. And those who claim they are speaking for God using scripture out of context to assault another as if God Himself was striking them down, is taking Gods name in vain. If they think it has power in it IT IS WITCHCRAFT.

Misusing the LIVING WORD OF GOD , MISHANDLING GOD, Is what those are doing who also misapply the truth of the Word. They abuse all the way around. They can't use truth as their shield, ....yet our only shield and ARMOUR IS THE TRUTH. ... Ephesians 6:11-18 not our fleshly fists and then pretend it came from God. YIKES.

Christians Sell Cigarettes
What is the WILL OF GOD... I believe scripture says to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. The WILL OF GOD is described in Roman's 1:1-17. Also the will of God is to take up your cross and FOLLOW HIM. Also as a glimpse, Jesus said...NOT MY WILL BUT THINE BE DONE, again showing the Will of GOD THE FATHER RULES. So how does one come to KNOW The Will of God? It's right there in Romans 12:1-2.....just more scripture David said is false teaching.

If you don't believe first in the DEITY OF CHRIST, you can NEVER do the Will of God no matter how hard you try.

Christians Sell Cigarettes
If David had a good foundation of scripture, he would see Romans 2:6-7 is addressed to CHRISTIANS . Just as James Ch 1 show PATIENCE ENDURANCE addressed to those of faith....the part about faith with works. David wants the works part but no Jesus or faith part.

Hebrews 11:24 By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter, 25 Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season, 26 Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward. 27 By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible.

Jews Under The Old Covenant
Cursing and name calling AGAIN. My Christlike .....

Trav needs to lose his attitude if he wants God to work THROUGH him....

And that ain't happening ....

It's amazing how ones pride and arrogance blinds folks to their own distruction.

I wonder what scriptures I've posted Trav hates? That Israel rejected Jesus? But God will deal with her rebellion one day? Trav can't handle that truth. So the only BALAAM HERE is you Trav....a hirling gentile prophet, not called by God, but called by your cult leader to put a stumbling block in Israel's way. Shame on you.

Christians Sell Cigarettes
1) is the Gospel about Jesus....the promise of the messiah starting in Genesis 3:15
2) or about simply the teachings of Jesus ...a master teacher?

The Pharisees in John 8 rejected #1. ROMANS 1:1-17 is called The Gospel of GOD. Also DEFINED in vs 16- 17 as the Gospel of Christ. So are you saying PAUL in Roman's 1:1-17 is lying? This GOSPEL was prophecied in the OT. And this very Gospel OT SAINTS we saved , by their faith in this same Gospel....Abel is a perfect example. His faith was in the promise of Gen 3:15....just a tiny glimpse of light he had, where we first see this promise of the Messiah.

Evertthing about the Law and the construction of the Tabernacle WAS A PICTURE OF JESUS CHRIST. HEBREWS SHOWS THIS AS WELL.

Who Are The Masons
JS 1234, that is a strange question coming from you as you stated you believe in universalism....where everyone is saved in the end.

Salvation is BY FAITH. It is faith in Romans 1:1-17 is a good start and clearly emphasizes FAITH.

SO FAITH COMES BY HEARING. So now the question should be....IS HEARING THE GOSPEL BY CHANCE? After looking at Cornelius life Acts 10-11, I would say Cornelius hearing the Gospel God brought Peter to proclaim to him was by divine appointment.

But interestingly, Israel as a whole having all this truth for eons REJECTED SALVATION THROUGH JESUS CHRIST. So no, it's not by's by the condition of one's heart.

Jews Under The Old Covenant
Here again is more truth Trav overlooks ..

17 Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord God, I will even gather you from the people, and assemble you out of the countries where ye have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel.

And as this is stated again in Isaiah 14 as well, Trav saying that too is a lie....

Trav does not live in the Land of Israel. Where the earthly Jerusalem is and has always been, where Jesus will come at His second coming...WHEN THE WHOLE WORLD WILL BE AT PEACE/REST.

Still future. Trav rejects it's future or literal.

When you move to Israel Trav let us know so we know Isaiah 11:17 that goes with Isaiah 11:16 is coming to pass in your doctrine.

Christians Sell Cigarettes
I've never said the 4 Gospels are not the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I would like to see that posted with a time date keeping David honest here.

Let's begin....the Gospel began in Genesis 3:15, not Matthew Mark, Luke or John. Hebrews 3-4 state of Israel in the OT The GOSPEL was preached to them as well as unto us.

So my question is....what Gospel is David talking about that is exclusively in Matthew Mark Luke and John and NOWHERE ELSE? THE GOSPEL PROMISED THE MESSIAH, who is Jesus Christ, who would die for our sin Isaiah 53...RISE AGAIN. PSALMS 16:10, Psalms 110:1, Job 19:27.

Jesus spoke of His death and resurrection. John the Baptist too said BEHOLD THE LAM OF GOD WHICH TAKETH AWAY THE SIN OF THE WORLD. THE GOSPEL!

Do Unsaved Live Forever
Many people think taking God's name in vain is cursing. Taking God's name in vain is using God and His Word to assault others with. We are never to use scripture out of context for a PERSONAL ATTACK on anyone. This is actually called witchcraftAND TAKING GODS NAME IN VAIN. And this is what Trav does here day and night. He thinks he needs to assault others to defend his position on God's promises to the Nation of Israel, which no one has objected to except to show there is so much MORE than Trav limited verses. And of course saying Gentiles are really Jews... a total distortion showing he's never read Acts 10-11.

Trav cannot show one verse stating scattered Israel was forbidden to enter the home of other dispersed Jews.

Christians Sell Cigarettes
The 4 Gospels ...Do not go to the Gentiles ..but to the lost sheep of Israel. (sic)

Is David now saying he is Israel, a Jew? Simply put, Peter AFTER Jesus rose from the dead was sent to Cornelius. Peter even argued with God. Saying...we are forbidden to enter the house of ANOTHER NATION re Gentiles.... ACTS 10:28

This understanding and teaching CAME AFTER Jesus 4 Gospels.

David has a choice here....either to accept God was still teaching the Apostles AFTER JESUS ASCENSION, ***JOHN 16:12 **** one being that NOW GENTILES were offered the Gospel of salvation, OR he is Trav.

Luke wrote Luke and Acts...and much of it long before he even meeting Paul and AFTER JESUS ASCENSION.

Do Unsaved Live Forever
Trav, and exactly what do your verses have to do with soul sleep?

Again, showing confusion and misappropriating scripture relevant to the subject at hand, Trav either needs to lay off the booze , or get the mental health issues addressed.

Being angry all the time, spending long nights awake thinking up hateful jabs not relevant to these subjects is sad. Who has respect for that? Gods power does not speak through hate.

Trav is blowing his horn in the wind.

Who Are The Masons
I never said God cast away His people. I said those who have rejected Jesus Christ who have already died in their sin have no second chances.

Just an example...those who rebelled in the wilderness, those who refused to enter the promise land DIED IN THEIR SIN. HOWEVER "Israel the nation," having been reduced to those 20 and under except for Joshua and Calab did enter the promise land. It will be the same scenario at Jesus 2nd Coming.

Israel refer to the NATION ...a Jew refer to individuals. No scripture says every single Jew will be saved.

Just because you too have chosen to rewrite the Word of God doesn't make it true.

Saved Without Holy Spirit
The Holy Spirit being HOLY cannot indwell an unsaved sin filled person. The Holy Spirit can draw you, convict you, etc, without being in you. Repentance means to turn to Jesus Christ. Peter spoke those words in Acts, to Jews who had just crucified their Messiah. And as Paul said, John baptized with Water, but JESUS BAPTIZED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT AND WITH FIRE. This was made clear to those Paul encountered when he asked...HAVE YOU RECEIVED THE HOLY SPIRIT SINCE YOU BELIEVED? Acts 19:2 Not since you repented? They already repented with John's water baptism.


Christians Sell Cigarettes
Here we have Acts ch 15 GRACE. where LUKE, testifies of PETER writes...,

Acts 15: 6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.7 .......Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. 8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us, 9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.


Vs 11 PETER SAID..not Paul...But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ WE SHALL BE SAVED, even as they.

Christians Sell Cigarettes
When we Repent and are baptized we then receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. We are not saved when we receive the gift of the Holy Spirit, as you believe. We are saved, when we are born of the Spirit. Many folks receive this gift, but very few are born of the spirit. (Matthew 22:14)

---David on 6/18/21

Matt 22:14 say " many are called but few are chosen". David believes one must reach sinless perfection to be CHOSEN and WALLA YOU ARE BORN AGAIN. But let's take Paul. God CHOSE PAUL when he was dead in trespasses and sin, being struck down on the road to Damascus on his way to murder more CHRISTIANS,who believed in and upon Jesus which Paul did not AT THAT TIME.

Scripture disagrees with the Gospel of David.

Christians Sell Cigarettes

1 Corinthians 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand,

2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures,

4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

Notice it doesn't say according to Paul. Hummm. THIS IS THE GOSPEL DAVID REJECTS.



Christians Sell Cigarettes
David asks:
Using the teachings of Jesus Christ, and only those he taught to his disciples to teach us, show me the Lords teachings on Grace.///



John 3:16 IS GRACE.

FAITH BEGAN IN GENESIS. And this too is what David rejects. Yet JESUS reiterated FAITH over and over.

What must I do to be saved....BELIEVE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AKA FAITH. ACTS 16:30-33

Lets take Peter not Paul here regarding SIN. 1 Peter 4.....Does David reject this teaching too?...

So David claims he understands better than Peter too?

Jews Under The Old Covenant
Ok Trav, so you are admitting those who rejected Jesus , Jesus rebuked. Good start here. They are the BLIND BRANCHES we see Paul referring to in Romans 11. As a matter of fact most of Israel today are BLIND . Now TODAY, I believe God is GRAFTING IN GENTILES and then after that will one day Graft in again the natural branches...WHO ARE BLIND. But that's FUTURE. And unfortunately in the meantime, I mean these last 2000 years MULTITUDES OF JEWS/ISRAEL/ NTH HOUSE are second chances. They simply have rejected Jesus and did not the works of Abraham....which is believing in Jesus....just as He clearly stated right there in John 8. Abraham's spiritual seed REJOICED TO SEE THE DAY OF JESUS CHRIST THEN....NOT FUTURE.

How To Love
Trav, you described David perfectly with your verses you just posted. Thank you.

David is still up to thinking he knows more than all the Apostles put together. Even though they walked with Jesus, learned FIRST HAND from Jeses, witnessed His death and resurrection, David refuses to believe anything Jesus said or referred to concerning His resurrection life. Much like you have Trav.

I know your doctrine has issues as to Jesus, like David, only recognize Jesus as a good teacher etc, but not THE SON OF GOD. GOD IN THE FLESH. Neither of you believe in the deity of Jesus Christ. A DEAL BREAKER ALL THE WAY AROUND.

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