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Church Today In Apostasy
  
So David , does this mean you are a Christian who has not been born Again and not saved yet? I've never heard of such a person.

OR, Are you a robot? So the question is, Christians WON'T SIN OR CAN'T SIN?

Now there is also a crowd who believe a Christian can lose their salvation if they sin.

So let's take King David. Was he saved when he became King? And then he sinned, and repented asking forgivness. So was he RESAVED or did God make David King before he wasn't saved? Did RIGHTEOUS NOAH lose his salvation when he got drunk? Did Moses lose his salvation when he hit the rock in anger, where God didn't allow him into the promise land?


Gospel of 1 Corinthians 15:1-4
  
Peter preached to Cornelius a gentile. Cornelius was not put under Kingdom Law. No one from Acts 1 was. Kingdom law is to cut off your hand or poke out your eye if it offends in order to enter in. That will come AFTER Jesus builds His Church, which began in Acts 1. No supporting NT Scripture calls the earthly kingdom THE CHURCH. No one was being baptized INTO PETER, as OT us this type saying they were baptized into Moses .

Study to show yourself approved of God RIGHTLY DIVIDING THE WORD OF TRUTH PLEASE.

Are all Gentiles ignorant of these things. Christian Jews are not. Seeing Bullinger died before 1948, when Israel became a Nation, shows he just didn't get it. I wonder if he would have changed his position.


What Is Rightly Dividing The Word
  
Jesus began building His Church at the beginning of Acts. He clarified to the Apostles that only the Father knew when the KINGDOM RESTORED TO ISRAEL would be. Just as Jesus also said in Matthew 24-25. SAME KINGDOM.

Jesus gave a glimpse in the 4 Gospels saying MY KINGDOM IS NOT OF THIS WORLD. So we do have 2 Kingdoms here, a heavenly one, and an earthly one. The earthly one is referred to in Matthew as The Kingdom of Heaven defined as "on earth as it is in heaven"

michael_e has some things correct re THE CHURCH is not the NATION OF ISRAEL. But also remember the promises TO THE NATION , it must first become a NATION. That didn't happen until 1948. It didn't happen in Acts 1-13. A serious bible student would know this.


Church Today In Apostasy
  
Also David is teaching a form of no free will. He believes once you've received the Holy Spirit WALLA, you've become a robot. But Paul also explains in Galatians that the flesh wars against the Spirit and the Spirit against the flesh . This is what is called Spiritual warfare. And believe me it takes every bit of your will to line with God's will to be an overcomer. Look at 1 st John AGAIN,RE: young men, Those who have MATURED have overcome the evil one. Babies will fall and stumble, and ABBA DADDY picks us up, dusts us off gives us a big hug and we try again.

This part of Christianity is foreign to David. If it wasn't he'd know we don't become instantly sinless the moment we receive the Holy Spirit.


Church Today In Apostasy
  
David, ask yourself "WHY DO I SIN?" We've been taught the Law of Christ is the fruit of the Spirit. All the law is fulfilled in the verse to LOVE. Love, is the fruit of the spirit. Gentleness, kindness long-suffering FAITH, Mercy etc. Against such there is no law. Gal 5:22-25. Also 1 Corinthians 13, the great chapter explaining our behaviour when we LOVE.

The problem David is you have failed to see SIN is not just what the Law lists. Your temper tantrums and false accusations are SIN. You don't resemble 1 Cor 13 at all. Or obeyed Gal 5:22-25.

So until then , you are out of line, out of truth, out of place insisting you are sinless. Even 1 John states this over and over. Read the WHOLE EPISTLE. stop cherry picking.


Gospels Of Circumcision
  
The WRATH OF GOD will be poured out during the Great Tribulation. It's all there in Revelation and Matthew 24-25. So no, God was not ready to pour out His wrath right then until Paul saved the day. All that is something Michael_e or Hyper Disp's just made up to shovel hogwash down the throats of those not yet grounded in Scripture. That all will happen AFTER THE CHURCH ( mystery) IS COMPLETE Revelation 10:7. Just exactly how and in God's timing.

The moon did not turn to blood, no one had to run to the mountains and hide. Etc. So no, God's wrath tells us explicitly what will happen right before Jesus comes to SET UP HIS KINGDOM ON EARTH.
And WHEN God does begin this time, MAN will not be able to stop it.


What Is Rightly Dividing The Word
  
Michael_e, you'll just have to follow Pauls timeline : saved, 33-36 , first spending 3 years alone studying, then being carried up to the 3rd heaven where he states in Corinthians 2Cor 12:1-4, when he wrote it in 55ad leaves approx 14 or so years before writing his first epistles. Galatians 48, 1-2 Thess 50-51, 1-2 Corinthians 54-55, Romans 57, Phil, Philemon, (Colossians Ephesians 62, WHERE THE MYSTERY IS STATED MORE THAN ANY OTHER EPISTLES) 1,2 Timothy, 64-65, Titus 67, then Pauls death.

I would say it took from Pauls first letter to his last , as Paul LEARNED ON THE JOB, through the fellowship of his sufferings WE TOO NEED TO FOLLOW, to grasp the MYSTERY in a clear understanding. Did John fully understand Revelation? NO.


What Is Rightly Dividing The Word
  
The Kingdom is ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN, not heaven come to earth. That will take place when THE KING, Jesus, comes at the second coming to set up His Throne right here on earth, in Jerusalem. Zechariah 12-14. This will happen after the Church is complete and raptured, and we will reign and rule with Christ for 1000 years. It didn't start in Acts 1 and end in Acts 13, because Israel had not yet become a nation where Gentile power was overthrown, as Judas expected to happen then, and why he betrayed Jesus.

When that happens, it will not start and stop at the will of man. It will happen AFTER the Church ( MYSTERY) is complete. Rev 10:7 and then the Great a Tribulation will take place FIRST. THEN that dispensation will begin.


Gospel of 1 Corinthians 15:1-4
  
Peter and the Apostles preached salvation to Gentiles and Jews before Paul. Whether they completely understood the mystery or not doesn't change the fact they preached the Gospel OF SALVATION. The mystery is not ANOTHER WAY to salvation. The MYSTERY is Gods plan and purpose of what those saved In THIS DISPENSATION areCALLED OUT to do. We are saved the same as Abel, Abraham, Job Lit, etc, but our position in Gods Great plan and purpose is different. We are called out to ALSO reign and rule WITH CHRIST during the 1000 year reign of Christ. So salvation is not different, but our assignment and preparation for this assignment is different. And NO ONE instantly understands this the moment they are saved.


Gospel of 1 Corinthians 15:1-4
  
Peter , Acts 2. quoting OT PROPHECY, about Jesus death and resurrection. The Mystery was never the death and resurrection of Jesus, as the OT prophecied, Even Isaiah 53 fortold of the sufferings of Christ. Peter quotes David in the Psalms re the death and resurrection. Abraham sacrificing Isaac, where Abraham saw in a vision the resurrection.

The real issue here is Michael_e has a different belief of what THE MYSTERY is.

Colossians 1:24-27 clearly tell us what THE MYSTERY IS, and it's not Jesus death and resurrection.

Jesus even spoke of His death and resurrection in the 4 Gospels, so NO Paul wasn't the first to say..."HAY GUESS WHAT, JESUS DIED AND ROSE FROM THE DEAD, AND IM THE FIRST TO KNOW THIS".


What Is Rightly Dividing The Word
  
Acts 1:6-7 tell us God did not "then" restoring the Kingdom to Israel. There IS NO OTHER KINGDOM in scripture. So Michael_e has created ANOTHER KINGDOM that began and ended in Acts 1-13, but hasn't given a good explication as to WHERE THESE from Acts 1-13 are? He says they have to WAIT for forgivness until the Kingdom starts up again. NO OT PROPHECY remotely suggests a Kingdom will start and abruptly end because Paul came along. Where are those souls now? Because OT SAINTS before the Law or promise of another Kingdom ARE SAVED, FORGIVEN, AND IN HEAVEN RIGHT NOW. HEBREWS 11-12. So why do those from Acts 1-13 have to wait?

Michael_e makes statements NOT IN SCRIPTURE, and then when asked for BCV, he changes the subject.


Church Today In Apostasy
  
There are a couple here who clearly fall into this category. They are not sinless . Using scripture as a form of witchcraft too to assault another is also sin. Falsely ASSUMING Strongaxe agrees with me rather than just understanding scripture as most Christians do, is another form of sin....JEALOUSY disguised as some sort of righteous act. One person here hits on ALL 7.


Proverbs 6:16-19

16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:

17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,

19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.


How To Rebuke Evil
  
So the WHOSOEVER in Revelation who take the mark of the beast are offered ONLY to JEWS AND ISRAEL . So no other humans will be offered or take this Mark, but Jews and Israel only, and everyone else is free from fear and will be saved. So does the Beast ONLY affect IsraelJews or the whole world?

Calvinist's also redefine WHOSOEVER to apply to them only.

So in Calvinism, ONLY CALVINISTS will offered and take the mark of the beast.

See how rediculous scripture becomes when cults redefine words?

The only Jezebel here is Trav....


Gospels Of Circumcision
  
Just as the promiseS to Abraham are two entirely different promises, ( the CHURCH was never promised LAND) the New Covenant also has 2 parts as well. Paul clarifies this in 2 Corinthians 3. The New Testament is in Jesus Blood, just as the Everlasting Covenant is in Jesus Blood..Hebrews 13:20-21. If Jesus didn't need to rise from the dead, then Michael_e's gospel is bogus. He can't have it both ways.

Nothing came into effect EVEN THE CHURCH until Jesus died and rose again. Hebrews makes this clear. And this is where Michael_e fails to RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD OF TRUTH.

Paul understanding these covenants explain to us...Romans 4 Galatians, 1Cor 2:3, who did practice the Lords supper...WITH GENTILES. 1 Cor 11:17-34.


Church Today In Apostasy
  
When did I say I sin WILLFULLY Against God? David is WILLFULLY LYING here. That is what WILLFULLY SIN IS. And David makes a habitual habit here of WILLFULLY LYING and making false accusations.

You see there is the difference. Willful means purposeful and intentional. Where John says IF WE CONTINUE IN SIN. David CONTINUES in this same assault of lying and false accusations called WILLFUL SIN.

So David has proved 1) he is not saved 2) or there is no such thing as sinless perfection.

Now I will say Christians don't WILLFULLY sin. But David here has. Hummmmm


What Is Rightly Dividing The Word
  
Michael_e , actually you are wrong. Not only do I make a distinction between THE NATION OF ISRAEL and God's Promises to them, and the Church being a total different entity, and not only had the Lord clearly taught me THE MYSTERY, HE also taught me right from Acts 1:6-7 that was Rightly DIVIDED from Acts 13 that the promise TO THE NATION OF ISRAEL had not begun, not until Isaiah 14 is fulfilled, we see happened in 1948, not 34ad, that Zechariah 12-14 also has to come to pass before any OTHER GOSPEL of the Kingdom is preached. The Lord thoroughly establishing me in those truths have clearly debunked YOUR THEORY Bullenger never grasped. A good bible student listens to the Lord and not Billingerism, Ironside called Satan.


What Is Rightly Dividing The Word
  
2 Timothy say nothing about the mystery or 2 Gospels. He was talking about false teachers. We who don't believe in hyper-dispensationalism also believe we too have rightly divided the work of truth, so wearing out the verse as if it proves your doctrine is not necessary or working.

Paul discussed the Covenant with Abraham and the New Covenant. Abraham was given 2 promises.... One concerning Isaac, and one concerning Jacob. IN ISAAC WILL THY SEED BE CALLED, NOT SEEDS. THE SEED IS CHRIST. Those who have a heavenly calling. Abraham looked for a city who's builder and maker is God. THE HEAVENLY JERUSALEM. .It's verses like this YOU overlook or make up something to explain away. Your explaining away creates more issues you won't address.


Church Today In Apostasy
  
David thinks 1 John is written to unbelievers. David believes to get saved you have to confess your sin till your blue in the face and with this action you can cleanse yourself and become sinless. Then God sees you as sinless and says WOW, now I can save this person.

The problem is David rejects salvation BY FAITH IN JESUS. So he sees 1st John differently than others.

But the only CONFESSION I see re salvation first is Romans 10:9-10. To confess with your mouth Jesus is Lord and believe God raised Jesus from the dead. We BELIEVE UNTO RIGHTEOUSNESS. WE DONT CONFESS SIN UNTO RIGHTEOUSNESS.

This is reiterated all through scripture. BELIEVE on the Lord Jesus Christ... And thou shall be saved. 1John is written to BELIEVERS.


What Is Rightly Dividing The Word
  
2 Timothy 2:15 is not some sort of magic verse that proves whoever constantly uses it is automatically correct and no one else. As if you are the only one RIGHTLY DIVIDING THE WORD OF TRUTH is arrogant.

Bottom line , Hyper-dispensationalism has been debunked as a false doctrine.

We can go round and round here till the cows come home. Michael_e has avoided some very good questions and scripture.

He sees only through the eyes of Bullinger.

We'll just have to agree to disagree. As a Jew, I see and understand things differently.

To say the Church is not under the Everlasting Covenant is the final deal breaker here for me. It shows Michael_e is not grounded in scripture.


Church Today In Apostasy
  
Just read 1 and 2 Timothy. I don't see Paul even remotely saying we are sinless.

David, those Apostles agree with me. Ha ha.

I asked who HERE ON THIS SITE agrees with you? I so no one. You say you are here to save the world , so you must feel you have an audience of thousands. I see no one popping in to support your theory.



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