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What Was Paul's Gospel
  
Faith never change. We see this when reading Hebrews 11, showing from Abel to today Faith has always been the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen.

When the Kingdom Come is here on earth there will be no need for faith, as all things will be evident , Jesus Christ on the Throne of David Reigning and Ruling. There is no Kingdom Come without the King Jesus on His earthly thrown.

Back to faith, Abel looked forward to the redeemer, as did all those in the Old Covenant too. The Law is not of faith, so it was not a different kind of faith. No one under the Old Covenant stopped believing in the redeemer just because they were under the law. They just didn't believe Jesus was the promised one.


What Was Paul's Gospel
  
The Law came by Moses, Grace and Truth came by Jesus Christ. John 1:17

Being saved by Grace through Faith is what Paul was given, (a dispensation of the Grace of God.) Eph 3:2. What exactly does that mean? What was Paul given no one else was given?

Grace here is what we should be looking at. If all from the beginning were saved by Grace through Faith then Paul's gospel was not different. So what is this dispensation of Grace about? It didn't come in the Old Testament, it came by Jesus Christ.

Michael_e you seem to be contradicting your post on 9/21. Peter's of works vs Pauls of free???

The content of faith never changes. Faith will always be tested no matter what dispensation one lives in.


What Was Paul's Gospel
  
Romans 4:6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

All sin is done away in Christ. To suggest Jews have to wait for their sin to be forgiven while Gentiles sin is now forgiven is not found in scripture. God has concluded 'All have sinned' and is no respecter of persons.

John said of Jesus ' Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin OF THE WORLD.' The author of Hebrews (God) disagrees with you. The only sin is rejecting Christ.


What Was Paul's Gospel
  
David, your last post made no sense. You are saying only Paul applied the teachings of Jesus and the other 12 did not? Can you show scripture the other 12 did not apply the Lord's teachings?

You had me until you lost me.

I agree Paul was well learned in the scriptures, where the others were not scholars. Paul was showing through Old Testimony Prophecy that salvation to all families of the earth would be fulfilled at the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Those prophecies concerned salvation to Jew and Gentile alike. Yes many have different experiences in their salvation, but there is only one way to salvation. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.


What Was Paul's Gospel
  
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

John the Baptist preached the one who comes after him, Jesus Christ will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

michael_e , did I read you correctly saying their sins would be forgiven in the future at the time of refreshing?

You are misunderstanding Peter who was quoting Prophecy from the Old Covenant , showing the promise of forgivness and refreshing had now been fulfilled in Jesus Christ right then. The very gift of the Holy Spirit and refreshing IS salvation.

Today is the day of Salvation.


What Was Paul's Gospel
  
Strongaxe, there are today many perverted gospels yes. I was sticking with the perverted Gospel Paul was speaking of in Galatians. Perverting the Gospel the Judaizers were bringing into Galatia, Paul was upset about, who came with Peter, separating themselves from the Gentiles. This would be in keeping with this "other Gospel" michael_e appears to be talking about. This shows there was no "other Gospel" God gave Peter. Paul said there is no "other Gospel". They had perverted the Gospel. Paul rebukes Peter for hypocrisy, not for intruding on his territory.


What Was Paul's Gospel
  
Paul is saying there is not another Gospel, but only a perverted Gospel being preached. The perverted Gospel is the Kingdom Come Gospel putting Gentiles in submission to the Jews. See Colossians 2, " A shadow of things to come", meaning future. Only those overzealously overly dividing the word of truth would promote this false idea both were taking place at the same time.

Gal 1: 6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7 Which is not another, but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.


What Was Paul's Gospel
  
MIchael_e, Peter spoke to Jews at Pentecost because that was a Jewish Holyday. Paul preached to the Jew first and then to the Gentile, and writes this over and over. So no, there are not two different Gospels being preached at the same time.

How confusing for Jews if there was, or even today.

Peter John James Jude did not preach a Kingdom Come , they preached the Gospel of salvation.

When James and Peter reflect on the sufferings of Job and the sufferings of Christ as our guide, that is addressed to all Christians today regardless of being a Jew or a Gentile and is addressed with Paul in Philippians. Same message. ' Take up your cross and follow me. Paul said "follow me the way I follow Christ."


What Was Paul's Gospel
  
Peter and Jude teach sanctification. Is this another kind of sanctification? Jesus also spoke of sanctification in John 17. So I still don't understand what you are saying. Can you be more specific?


1 Peter 1:2
Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

Jude 1:1
Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:


What Was Paul's Gospel
  
Michael_e, when the gospel was first preached to Abraham for all nations of the world, there wasn't any talk of a Kingdom Come. That gospel was pointing to the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. God asked Abraham to sacrifice Isaac, showing in a vision the death and resurrection.
Abraham never talked about a Kingdom.

Paul uses Abraham through out his letters in explaining the death and resurrection of Jesus. Galatians, Hebrews, Romans. They are all talking about salvation, not a kingdom.

James talks about Abraham and the faith of Abraham. I don't see a kingdom talked about in James.

I'm still confused to what you are saying. Jesus said , 'My Kingdom is not of this world.'


What Was Paul's Gospel
  
What exactly was kept secret since the world began? I looked up Acts 3:21. I don't see a mystery. Are verses 22-23 talking about Jesus Christ or Paul? So should we be listening to Jesus or Paul? Michael_e, you talk in riddles. Just come out with it. What exactly did Paul preach no one else preached?

Colossians 1: 24-27 talk about a mystery kept secret now revealed. Is this the same mystery you are getting at or are there several mysteries? Ephesians use mystery many times, but never says it was kept secret.

What is Peter's mystery? Let's compare these mysteries. Peter's and Paul's. Was Jesus Christ the Mystery?


What Was Paul's Gospel
  
What was the unique message given to Paul? What did Paul preach that no one else did?


What Was Paul's Gospel
  
Mark 1:1 begin with the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I also see Paul calls it the Gospel of God in many places.

I believe what God gave to Paul exclusively was the understanding of Gentiles also being included in the promise of salvation given to the Jews. Seeing Peter and others confirmed this, how could they confirm Paul's Gospel as another Gospel the Jews never heard before. That doesn't make sense.


Is Paul the 13th Apostle
  
Travis, I'm not sure if you have confused me with someone else, but your continual rantings about things no one said except in your own mind is what I'm referring to here with your posts. It's just jibber jabber nonsense. Do you have times you hear voices in your head? I have not the slightest idea what your ranting about or accusing me of here. I've simply made a statement asking a simple question. Like I said, you spend 3/4 answering back in rants and accusations to avoid answering others questions. It's a pattern with you.


Is Paul the 13th Apostle
  
Travis, many not of Israel have also found the New Covenant , yet you say salvation does not apply to them.

Many of Israel have not found the New Covenant in Jesus Blood, yet you say they are saved anyway. Many are still living under the Old Covenant, because they do not believe in Jesus, His death and resurrection which secured the New Covenant.

Finding or believing the New Covenant is not salvation. Finding Jesus is salvation. We are not saved by doctrine, but by Jesus death and resurrection.

Travis, when asked a question, why do you beat around the bush using 3/4 of your 125 words to insult? Are these questions too hard for you to answer?


Finish It Here July 27 2021
  
Few find it.
---Trav on 8/10/21

Isn't this what Kathrine and Strongaxe have been saying from the beginning? If only few find it, all Israel is not saved, only the few that find it are, correct? Is Travis also saying all Jews have found it, or only a few Jews have found it? If he believes Salvation and the prophets address Israel only, the multitudes that don't find it have to be addressing only Israel too. I just don't understand Travis thinking. Is it argument for argument sake ?

If The New Covenant is to Israel guaranteeing salvation exclusively to them, what is there for them to have to find?

Travis, please enlighten us on exactly what the narrow path is for one of your Jews? Have you found it?


Finish It Here July 27 2021
  
David, yes, arrogance for you to insist your path is the one true path. Especially when your path speaks nothing of The Person of Jesus Christ. Jesus has said many things you reject. You jump on one verse and use it to bully and abuse others who may find other verses just as important.

Seeing you admit you are a church of one, is alarming. All cult leaders started as a church of one. All thought more highly of themselves than they should have. You have all the markings of a cult leader.

It is assuring though to see your only follower here is Travis. Yet you have nothing doctrinally in common. You don't bully him. That's called having respect of persons for personal gain. Your ego.Your delusions have caused you to be prideful.


Finish It Here July 27 2021
  
David, I don't see Kathrine laughing at the teaching of Jesus Christ. I see she said you make her laugh out loud. Are you suggesting you are Jesus Christ? It sounds that way. This wouldn't be the first time you have made such an implication.

Telling others to fix their own foundation because it doesn't agree with you or Travis is arrogance. You need not only to fix yours David, but actually show one. A foundation is not built upon a single verse. The foundation is built upon the person of Jesus Christ. It's painfully obvious you don't know the difference between the two. Cults build on a verse, Christians build on Christ alone. You show no testimony of the power of the Cross at work within you. It appears to be foolishness to you.


Who Are The Children Of Promise
  
John 12:32
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

I believe all men here mean exactly that. It doesn't say the chosen or the elect only or all Jews or all Israel. It says all men.

David, you evaded my question. But since you answered as you did, it sounds like you started another denomination all by yourself. Not a good thing since we are to come together as a church. Looking at Corinthians , I don't see your philosophy. Paul worked with these newly converts to be of one mind and one accord, and did not make your suggestion of being a loner.

The early disciples or followers did come together as a church.



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