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Why Does God Punish Us
  
I agree with WIVV
God created the first man, Adam, without sin. And since that first sin, God has afforded us every opportunity to redeem ourselves. With the children of Abraham, God used the Law to curb their sin, but the children of Abraham STILL, could not overcome sin.

The question...
What made Abraham righteous in the eyes of God, and the generations who came after, unrighteous?

It was the heart!!
Abraham loved God...and that's what made him righteous in Gods eyes. Abraham was not perfect..But he loved God...and because he loved God...and for this reason...he was able to keep Gods Laws. And that's why God did not need to put him under the Law.


Getting To Know Each Other
  
Michael
Yeah thats where my coffee days began....when the Sargent of the Guard would bring coffee to keep us awake on Guard Duty. Falling asleep on duty meant a month in the Brig and the loss of a stripe.

Ahhh...the good ole days.


Getting To Know Each Other
  
Sorry fellas, for some reason I can only post every 10-12 hours and was engaged on another blog question.

Michael
Have you ever tried the Cold Brew coffee? I recently made some with my French Press and a coffee filter and it was as good as advertised.

Samuel
Juice is definitely much healthier, but I do love that coffee smell first thing every morning. I do love a fresh glass of carrot juice from time to time.


Church Today In Apostasy
  
StrongAxe
The New Testament is a manual on how to overcome sin, and yet your Theoretical church doesn't believe there is any way for someone to overcome sin.

Have you ever stopped to think, that may be why your Theoretical church hasn't experienced what Jesus taught?

As to your question, I only know a few and they are spread out all over the place. Do they attend one of your Theoretical churches?
No
Why not?
Just as the Truth makes Kathrine angry, listening to lies, which lead folks away from the Lords promised salvation, makes us angry too.


Church Today In Apostasy
  
We are a reflection of God, but he is immortal, yet we still die, even though we are redeemed from death, so in that, we are not perfect reflections.---StrongAxe

StrongAxe
I Never said we were, which is why I used the word "Reflection". You're creating the illusion of an argument by putting words in my mouth. No offense, but this is exactly what Kathrine does.
I never said, those born of God become a perfect reflection of God,...did I? No!

If you believe you have died to sin, Why do you still sin? In reference to (Romans 6:6)


Church Today In Apostasy
  
Why assume his redeeming us from sin is instantaneous, yet his redeeming us from death is obviously not?---StrongAxe

StrongAxe
Very Interesting question, if I understand you correctly. Why redeem us from sin, while we are alive on Earth? Or why is it instantaneous?

Jesus is the Son of God. Those who are born again are also Sons of God, and here is the reason Jesus gave...
(John 14:9) He that hath seen Me hath seen the Father, and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

As Christians, we are meant to be a reflection of God. How can we be a reflection of God, if we remain as sinners? Instantaneous..so we will know when we have been chosen.


Church Today In Apostasy
  
StrongAxe
I must confess my ignorance.Your questions don't make any sense to me. Because I believe we are born of God while we are living, and I think you must believe it comes after we are dead.
Is that true?


Church Today In Apostasy
  
Wow.
If you have multiple scriptural witnesses its witchcraft David.
Same people killed Christ and Apostles.---Trav on 10/19/21


True, but Satan is always lurking in the shadows. We must remember this, when dealing with those who submit to his will and not the will of God. Else, we may fall into the same trap.

So if what you're saying is, indeed, true, this means at least 99.999999% of Christians throughout history have not been saved and redeemed.---StrongAxe on 10/18/21

Well maybe not throughout their lifetimes, but I have witnessed good folks, who followed false doctrines, but lived as Christ wanted us to live, who were born again, while on their deathbeds. (1 Corinthians 3:12-15)


Church Today In Apostasy
  
(Romans 6:13) "Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin, but yield yourselves unto God as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God."

Now when you read all of (Romans 6), it's obvious Paul is addressing Christians, but in verse 13, he tells them to "Yield Yourselves unto God, as Those That are alive from the dead". Those who are alive from the dead, are those who have been born of God.

What many Christians do not understand is that there are two types of Christian. One who has been born again, no longer a slave of sin, and one who not yet been born of God, and is a servant of sin.


Church Today In Apostasy
  
(Romans 6:13) "Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin, but yield yourselves unto God as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God."

Now when you read all of (Romans 6), it's obvious Paul is addressing Christians, but in verse 13, he tells them to "Yield Yourselves unto God, as Those That are alive from the dead". Those who are alive from the dead, are those who have been born of God.

What many Christians do not understand is that there are two types of Christian. One who has been born again, no longer a slave of sin, and one who not yet been born of God, and is a servant of sin.


Church Today In Apostasy
  
When did I say I sin WILLFULLY Against God?---kathr4453

Kathrine
You never said it, but it is most certainly implied, when you sin and say you are not a servant of sin. You are not alone, many people, the Mainstream, believe as you do. Despite the fact, Jesus and Paul taught quite the opposite in (John 8:34) & (Romans 6:16)

A Christian, one who has received the gift of Holy Spirit, does not want to sin. If they do, though many deny it, it is because they are a servant of sin.
Now If you sin, and claim you are not a servant of sin, do you not sin willfully?


Kathrine..Do you want to sin?
Well of course not!!
If you are not a slave, ask yourself,"Why do I sin?"


Church Today In Apostasy
  
Through Jesus' sacrifice, we are no longer SLAVES to sin. We aren't incapable of it, just no longer compelled to do it.---StrongAxe

A slave sins against their will StrongAxe. If a free man sins, he sins willfully. Are you telling me, you have been set free of sin, and you willfully sin against God, as Kathrine proclaims she does?

I asked who HERE ON THIS SITE agrees with you? ---kathr

Couldn't find anyone in the bible, to corroborate what you believe Paul taught, so now StrongAxe is your witness?


Church Today In Apostasy
  
StrongAxe
My mistake, I thought you believed Jesus died for our sins, just as I do.
Why do I say this?

Facts!!!
Sin is the transgression of the Law.(1 John 3:4)
Jesus died as our sacrifice for sin when we break the Law.
If you are not under the Law, you can not sin. If you can not sin, you do not need a sacrifice for sin.

So tell me your interpretation, as to why Jesus had to die on the cross?


Church Today In Apostasy
  
WHO ELSE AGREES WITH YOU? ---kathr4453

Well lets see...
There is of course, Jesus, the Son of God. John, Paul, James, and Peter, just to name a few. Who agrees with you?

You see Kathrine, that's the point, you and many like you are missing. You don't look for your witnesses to Paul's teachings in the Bible. By your own words...you look to mainstream church doctrines as your witnesses.

If that is not true, give me one witness in the Bible, one who teaches we are not under the Law of God. You have Paul, but show me another witness, just one, who teaches what you claim Paul taught.

Ephesians 4...If a church is founded on a false doctrine, one whose teachings are against Christ, are they the body of Christ?


Church Today In Apostasy
  
StrongAxe & Kathrine
I don't know where to begin, for you have both been instrumental in helping me to better understand the division in the church. It is because many are following interpreters of the bible, and not the actual teachers...in the bible.

You believe, Though folks can get a bible interpreted into their own language, they must find another interpreter, to interpret the interpreted bible. The Pope, Billy Graham, Charles Stanley, Benny Hinn, T. D. Jakes, Joyce Meyer, and Kenneth Copeland are all interpreters.

I listed all of them in one lump, for they are all interpreters. What criteria do folks use as to which interpretation to follow?
(2 Timothy 4:3)


What Is Rightly Dividing The Word
  
When reading (1 Timothy) we must remember it is a letter, a letter written to single person. In order to understand the middle portion of this letter, we must read the entire letter to understand the context.

Imagine having a 15 page letter, written to someone else. Wouldn't it be hard to understand the context of the letter if you only had one page of that letter?

If you read the entire letter you can understand what Paul was talking about. In the first chapter of the letter you can see teachers were still mixing the Law of Moses in with the Law of Christ. Just as they were in (Acts 15).


Church Today In Apostasy
  
David I LOVE ROMANS 2. But I just interpret it differently than you do.---kathr4453

That's the whole point, (Romans 2) is a teaching, and Paul was the teacher.
Have you ever considered, If you need to interpret what a teacher, teaches, perhaps it is not the teaching, but your lack of knowledge of the subject they are teaching?

A teacher is an instructor...not a mystery writer. An interpreter is a person who provides an oral translation between speakers who speak different languages. We have bibles, translated into our language, so why is there need for an interpreter?

The reason, is so folks can make the bible say what they want it to say.


Church Today In Apostasy
  
All David has is CONJECTURE.---kathr4453

Is it Conjecture, when I have multiple witnesses from teachers....in the Bible?
Kathrine, like most mainstream teachers, have no biblical witnesses. The only place where their doctrines find any support, is in Paul's epistles, even though Paul himself, refutes their interpretations. This is why they don't teach chapters like (Romans 2). It says what it says, and needs no interpretation.

They simply have no corroborating witnesses in the bible, to support what they claim Paul taught. So people who follow their teachings must rely solely on their Interpretations of the bible. Thereby, the interpreter becomes the teacher.


Church Today In Apostasy
  
John 8:34-35) Jesus replied, Very truly I tell you, Everyone who sins is a slave to sin. Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever.

StrongAxe
Foundation brother..Foundation!
In the above passage, taught by the Author of Salvation, What's the difference between the slave, and the son? If one of them is a slave because they sin, doesn't it stand to reason, the other is a son... because they do not sin? Can you see the delineation?

This delineation is also expounded upon in (1 John). (1 John 1 8-10) is written about those who are still slaves, (1 John 3:9-10) to those are Sons....permanent members of the family.



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