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What Is Rightly Dividing The Word
Michael_e, now you are catching on, your beginning to see John is about GRACE, not the earthly Kingdom. "I in them and thou in me that we may be ONE" YOU WONT SEE IN MATTHEW or OT Kingdom teachings. Notice Jesus prayed this right before going to THE CROSS, and what Jesus is asking for as a result of His death and resurrection.

Earthly Israel belongs to THE FATHER, The Church belongs TO JESUS CHRIST.

We ( both Jew and Gentile making one NEW MAN, were CHOSEN IN HIM before the foundation of the world, Just as Paul teaches re THE CHURCH in Ephesians .

But this truth was only revealed AFTER His resurrection,

What Is Rightly Dividing The Word
Being in Christ isn't the mystery of Christ kept secret since the world began (Rom 16:25). The prophets and the Lord in his ministry to Israel talked about being in him.
In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory. Isa 45:25
---michael_e on 10/26/21

So michael_e says the BOC WAS IN THE OT. Only those in the BOC are IN CHRIST. The exact same meaning. When we read IN CHRIST, WE KNOW it means the BOC.

When pulling up ALL SCRIPTURE using the words together IN CHRIST, it's iexclusively referring to the BOC, which Michael_e used to believe was part of the mystery. We get there by being BAPTIZED INTO HIS DEATH and then raised up together with Him a NEW CREATURE. THE MYSTERY OF THE CROSS.

Gospel of 1 Corinthians 15:1-4
Well michael_e, if you have the same bible I do, Jesus did talk to every one of the Apostles after He resurrected. Mary Magdaline was the first to witness Jesus resurrection, then he was see by about 500 and Jesus spent 40 days with them before He ascended into Heaven. Thomas wanted to see the wounds on His hands and Side.

Then Peter and all the Apostles including all in the upper room waited for the Holy Spirit Jesus promised and testified to Jesus death and resurrection.

What Bible do you use? I know cults gave their own, but had no idea Hyper- DISP omitted so much scripture.

What Is Rightly Dividing The Word
Earthly Israel will certainly SEE The Glory of the Lord, that is for sure. Just read Zechariah 14:7-8 That day will be so bright with HIS GLORY there will be no night or day on that day. However THE CHURCH will be Glorified TOGETHER WITH CHRIST, why, because we are IN CHRIST, AND WE ARE HIS BODY.

This is the mystery , just as Ephesians shows, bone of His Bone Flesh if His Flesh. Being made ONE.

No OT scripture says anyone then was IN CHRIST. No one was IN CHRIST until Jesus rose from the dead.

Unfortunately Michael_e has rejected all OT that is able to also make him wise.

Gospel of 1 Corinthians 15:1-4
There is no other reason Jesus died and rose again. There is not two Jesus who died for our sin, one for Jews and one for Gentiles.

And not all Jews rejected the Gospel of Grace. The only Jews who rejected the Gospel of Grace are Jews who SIMPLY DO /DID NOT BELIEVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST.

ISAIAS 53 clearly say our sin was laid on Him, and He gave His life unto death FOR OUR SIN.....not for some Kingdom Now that never happened.

Michael_e still can't explain this EXTRA DISPENSATION he believes started and stopped from Acts 1-13. God just doesn't work that way.

What Is Rightly Dividing The Word

Romans 16:7
Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellow-prisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

One thing we need to do is not explain away verses because they don't fit into our doctrine. That is wrongly dividing truth.

I believe this verse shows Jews who are called Apostles, Paul's Kingsman meaning they were fellow Jews were IN CHRIST BEFORE PAUL. SO this proves those from Acts 2 are also IN CHRIST. Those IN CHRIST are those baptized into the same BODY OF CHRIST aka the Church.

Paul could not be in two churches. This verse also comes right before Romans 16:25-27.

Gospel of 1 Corinthians 15:1-4
The Gospel of John is the Gospel of Grace. It is clearly different than Matthew. John 3:16 to WHOSOEVER , IS NOT to a nation exclusively but to individuals. It never uses the words "Kingdom of heaven" which is ON EARTH AS IT US IN HEAVEN. THE EARTHLY KINGDOM.

Only those lead by the Holy Spirit can see this truth.

When one studies to show themselves approved, they need the Holy Spirit. John 17 is not Kingdom Now theology.

If one doesn't understand Kingdom Now theology they would be confused by John 17. If one understands the BOC, and that only the CHURCH will share in Christ's GLORY, to be Glorified together with Him they recognize immediately this is not Kingdom Now Theology.

How To Rebuke Evil
When someone becomes saved they become a son of God. Abraham's seed , not seeds as of many but SEED is referring to Jesus Christ.

Abraham was not an Israelite. Neither was Isaac. Only Jacob was renamed Israel. And an Israelite are those who are physically connected with the 12 tribes of Jacob, aka Israel.

Otherwise you could say Ishmael, Esau, Lot, etc were Israelites being physically connected to Abraham. They were not.

No scripture says we become an Israelite when we are saved. We become a son of God through Jesus Christ. John 1:1-17.

What Is Rightly Dividing The Word
Gal 6:14 God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.

Nowhere does Paul say the Cross itself is glorious. Death on a Cross, the Roman way of killing murderers etc. But to glory in the Cross, listen to what Paul says....I AM CRUCIFIED TO THE WORLD AND THE WORLD TO ME. Exactly what Philippians 3 is all about. Nothing saying only Gentiles are saved, or Jews excluded from the BOC, or no covenant. NO, PAUL CLEARLY STATES THE CROSS is our identification with Jesus in death and resurrection life....which includes we are crucified to this world. We are seated with Christ in heavenly places IN CHRIST. Jew and Gentile making ONE NEW MAN IN CHRIST.

Gospel of 1 Corinthians 15:1-4
1 Corinthians 5:7

7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

I guess Paul didn't get Bullenger and Michael's memo.

Or is the blood of the Cross divided too? Hebrews says the Blood of Christ speaks better things than that of Abel. Abel's blood cried out for vengeance. Jesus blood cried out for peace and forgiveness. Michael_e thinks Jesus blood cries out for vengeance too denying the Jews forgivness. Just more anti_semitic garbage not in scripture causing division among the household of God.

Don't let doctrines as this cause divisions. Billingerism is a dangerous doctrine.

What Is Rightly Dividing The Word
Acts 20:28
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

1 Peter 1:18-19
18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed AKA PURCHASED...with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers,

19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

Gospel of 1 Corinthians 15:1-4
THE EVERLASTING COVENANT. This covenant is to all mankind beginning with GENTILE ABEL, GENTILE ENOCH, GENTILE LOT, GENTILE JOB, GENTILE NOAH. To suggest there were no covenants with man before there was an Israel is not found in scripture.

The blood of the EVERLASTING COVENANT. HEBREWS 13:20-21.

God deals with man through covenants. AKA PROMISES. If there were no covenants in place, God could have wiped out the entire population of humanity including Noah and sons. It was because of the PROMISE / Covenant of Genesis 3:15 God did not, because God cannot lie. Gentiles were alianated from promises TO THE NATION OF ISRAEL. But are brought near THROUGH THE BLOOD OF THE EVERLASTING COVENANT. Also read Pauls words, 1 Cor 11:25

What Is Rightly Dividing The Word
The Gospel ACCORDING TO THE MYSTERY was kept secret, it doesn't say the gospel was kept secret.

Seeing the kingdom was not being restored , the only GOOD NEWS THEN was salvation for WHOSOEVER WILL...meaning INDIVIDUALS, not GROUP SALVATION, RE ISRAEL THE NATION.

In this dispensation both Jew and Gentile are baptized INTO CHRISTS DEATH AND RESURRECTION LIFE, making ONE NEW MAN, never heard of before. We then becoming partakers of His Divine Nature, 2 Peter 1.

Many saved today don't grasp THE MYSTERY OF CHRIST IN YOU, THE HOPE OF GLORY. Here again Jesus prayed in John 17.....GLORIFIED WITH CHRIST, ( the mystery) never promised to the nation of Israel. But NOTE Romans 8:17 very carefully.

How To Rebuke Evil
Samuel, when a gentile is saved they don't become an Israelite. They become A NEW CREATURE, NEITHER MALE OR FEMALE, BOND OR FREE, JEW OR GREEK. Why, because those IN CHRIST are sons of God, and God is not an Israelite. No where, and especially reading Galatians where the Judiazers wanted to subject Gentiles to submit to Jews Paul would have no part of it. Even Jesus is no longer seen after the flesh. Those in Christ and in the Spirit are no longer seen after the flesh in Gods eyes.

The disciples first called themselves CHRISTIANS, not Israelites.

Gospel of 1 Corinthians 15:1-4
Paul said follow me the way I follow Christ... Which is .....being made conformable to His death, Pauls testimony in Philippians 3. The whole chapter. This is the mystery of CHRIST IN YOU, just as Colossians 1:24-27 say. Crucified with Christ, Galatians 2:20-21, CHRIST IN YOU, John 17, I IN THEM....CHRIST IN YOU.

Don't put words in Pauls mouth that were never there, and then tell us THAT IS the Mystery that was never stated as a mystery.

Paul said in Philippians 2 KEEPING THIS MIND IN YOU THAT WAS ALSO IN CHRIST, Who made Himself of no reputation, but became obedient unto death, even death of a CROSS.


The CROSS Michael_e doesn't understand, nor did Bullenger.

Gospel of 1 Corinthians 15:1-4
Romans 16:25 say nothing about being kept secret from the prophets. This is what's called embellishing. Salvation has never been a mystery. He seems to think no one but Paul knew Jesus died and rose again. That's laughable. Acts 2, Peter goes into OT Prophecy regarding Jesus death and resurrection. THAT is the BIBLICAL JESUS. Michael_e's is Bullinger's Jesus.

We need to rightly divide the word of truth and stay with the BIBLICAL JESUS. THE PROMISED REDEEMER. The one promising eternal life. John 3:16. Unless eternal life was only promised to KINGDOM COME PEOPLE. Jesus said I AM THE RESURRECTION AND THE LIFE.


What Is Rightly Dividing The Word
Absolutely Samuel, the New has partially fulfilled the old. God is not divided into a God for Jews and a God for Gentiles. Michael_e makes it sound like no one was ever saved before Gentiles. It's clearly anti_Semitic what Hyper-Dispensationalists teach. And the more Michael_e reveals of what they do believe is disturbing.

We agree there, except the Church is not Israel. The Church is a whole new Creature who are called out in this dispensation.....neither Jew or Gentile. If that's the case then it can't be a Israel. There is no NEW ISRAEL in scripture either.

Gospel of 1 Corinthians 15:1-4
Until you can prove this mystery Kingdom, your teaching is CONJECTURE. Paul built upon the APOSTLES AND PROPHETS. Ephesians 2:20 Something hidden didn't mean non-existent.

Peter took the Gospel to the circumcision AKA JEWS, and Paul took the same Gospel to the Gentiles.

The Mystery was first revealed in John 17 before Jesus went to the Cross. And it appears John recorded that prayer showing they did know.

Your mystery is not the mystery Paul teaches.

You say the mystery was Jesus death and resurrection. Isaiah 53 "Jesus death" ... NO MYSTERY THERE AND you need at least one or two more supporting scripture about a Gospel Of the circumcision. It's not there. One verse wonders are what cults build upon.

What Is Rightly Dividing The Word
Those who rightly divide the truth can read from beginning to end and end to beginning and not have any issues about how all fall into place. Just because one can say the alphabet backwards doesn't change the alphabet. It shows they have it accurately in place and can state it frontwards and backwards.

Those unlearned can't do this as it is confusing to them, because they are not rooted and grounded in TRUTH that never changes regardless.

So Michael_e, you just gave yourself away you are not rooted and grounded in the Truth.

Gospel of 1 Corinthians 15:1-4
So for the last time Michael_e, what is this KINGDOM you keep refering to, that can start and stop where it depended on man. What other Kingdom not the one restroring the Kingdom to Israel is there? You keep skating around this question. You asked once...."Do you mean Acts 1:6-7"? And why, if you say Peter , in the Power of the Holy Spirit preached it anyway, accusing the a Trinity of being divided too.

And what makes you think that Kingdom excludes the Cross? Can anyone no matter what Kingdom be redeemed without the Blood of Jesus? If you say YES, you preach a bloodless cross, which is no cross at all. Jesus made PEACE through THE BLOOD OF THE CROSS. Colossians 1:20...stated immediately before vs 24-27.

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