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What Is Rightly Dividing The Word
  
Michael_e, Just because each dispensation has more knowledge then the last shows no evidence faith changed. As I read the great chapter of Faith in Hebrews 11, I find no evidence of your Doctrine.

Is your idea of rightly dividing different than others? Do you mean to divide Israel from Gentiles? If so explain Ephesians where God broke down the middle wall between us making one new man. You want to divide, causing division. You confuse Jews with the Nation. The Nation was scattered. Only since 1948 has the Nation of Israel begun to come together. So your idea of Acts 1-13 that the Nation of Israel was coming into it's promises is not true.


Gospels Of Circumcision
  
If I'm hearing you correctly Michael_e, are you saying there is no such thing as Christians being associated with a Covenant? The scripture's you posted say nothing about excluding covenants. That's a dishonest way of teaching.

Paul shows in 2 Corinthians 3 we are under a Covenant. The New Covenant is in Jesus Blood. Are you saying the Mystery is without the Blood of Jesus? Without faith? No need to believe in God's Promises? Just like that you are slammed to the ground by Jesus Himself and that's proof you are now in the BOC? And you say that is the Mystery? How one gets saved?

So Hyper- dispensationalist's are the same as Hyper-Calvinist's, except Calvinist's believe in a Covenant of Grace.


Gospels Of Circumcision
  
When one seriously looks at Acts, one sees the issue is the Deity of Christ, not two Gospels. Just as Paul preached immediately after his conversion, that Jesus Christ is Lord, so did Apollos, preached to the Jews after understanding more perfectly THE GOSPEL. Jesus actually told His disciples He would die and rise again, ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES, Isaiah 53. After Jesus rose the Apostles spent 40 days with Jesus after His resurrection, no doubt MORE PERFECTLY understood, and Preached the Risen Christ right from the beginning of Acts, where the only Church began, adding to it thousands every day. Philip explained to the Eunuch Isaiah 53. THE GOSPEL.


Gospels Of Circumcision
  
The Gospel without the cross is no Gospel at all...exactly. There's only 1 Gospel from Gen to Rev promising the Messiah who would die for our sin, and be resurrected for our justification. Abel looked forward to the Cross, when he offered a blood sacrifice. Job said..I KNOW THAT MY "REDEEMER" LIVETH. There is no sufferings of Christ without a cross. Heb 11, Moses chose the sufferings of Christ rather than enjoy the riches of Egypt .

Just as Apollos was taught those things of Christ more perfectly, all saved from Acts 2 on were brought to also understand things more perfectly.

Israel rejected Jesus Christ was the Messiah. God allowed this rejection to ensure "the Gospel" would go to the Gentiles.


Gospels Of Circumcision
  
Paul testifies Apollos is OF THE BOC and preached with Paul.

1 Corinthians 4:6
And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes, that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.

1 Corinthians 16:12
As touching our brother Apollos, I greatly desired him to come unto you with the brethren: but his will was not at all to come at this time, but he will come when he shall have convenient time.


Gospels Of Circumcision
  
Acts 18:24 -28 And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus. This man was instructed in the way of the Lord, being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John. And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly. And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace: For he mightily convinced the Jews, and that publicly, shewing by the scriptures that Jesus was Christ.


Gospels Of Circumcision
  
Michael_e, I disagree with you on Romans 10. You can't possibly read the whole chapter and believe Paul is grieved because they believe in that other Gospel you have imagined.

Each dispensation does not have a different Gospel. The same thread of the only Gospel begins in Genesis 3:15 to Revelation. In Adam all die, in Christ will all be made alive. That is the Good news. That's the Gospel. There is no other. You rightly divide the word of truth. Romans 10 Paul is grieved his own have rejected Jesus. The chapter ends making that point.

If your attitude is going to stoop to condescending comments I'm going to have to leave you here.

Paul and Apollos worked together preaching the same Gospel. Accept it and move on.


Gospels Of Circumcision
  
There's only 1 Gospel in scripture. From Genesis to Revelation Jesus SAVES.

Those who insist there is another does not understand the Good News.

ROMANS 10 beginning in verse 1 to the end prove there are not two ways of salvation. If there were Paul would not have said what he said in Romans 10.

Michael_e instead of obsessing over 2 Gospels, just proclaim the Gospel...and let God, not you, worry about the rest. If God sanctioned another Gospel who are you to denounce it?

And if the other is for Jews only why is that your business?

Paul planted Apollos watered and God gave the increase. Seems like your two Gospels are working together. 1 Corinthians 3:6. You said Apollos was Jesus earthly ministry.


Gospels Of Circumcision
  
Just as Abraham received the sign of Righteousness after he believed, that is circumcision , we receive the sign of Righteousness, Colossians 2 describe, the circumcision of putting off the sin of the Flesh by the circumcision of Christ. Circumcision pointed to the 8th Day, the Day Jesus rise from the dead, a new Day, the Day David attested to, All sealed by the Holy Spirit. Our sign.

The mystery was hidden in the Old Testament, it wasn't non existent. And only the Holy Spirit can give revelation of these types and shadows to the believer.

Baptism didn't save me, Jesus did. I was not ashamed of openly identifying with Jesus Christ into His death and resurrection life. Wouldn't change that for anything.


Gospels Of Circumcision
  
Abraham did sacrifice as did Abel, Job etc. When asked to sacrifice Isaac, God interviewed and provided a ram for the sacrifice. A practice Abraham already was doing. All those from Abel on who's faith was in the promised redeemer sacrificed.

All sacrifice pointed to Jesus Christ from Abel until Christ. John the Baptist said Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world. Hebrews 10 show animal sacrifice only covered sin until Jesus Christ and His sacrifice of Himself made all those once covered now COMPLETE. No one has to wait until some imaginary Kingdom, something other than the Kingdom restored to Israel to be forgiven. We are forgiven the moment we place our faith in Jesus Christ for the forgivness of sin.


Gospels Of Circumcision
  
Yes, So in Isaac will thy seed be called. This is parallel with Romans 4 you said was to you.

So the promised seed which is Christ came through ISAAC, not Ishmael. Then through Jacob then through Judah re David. Just as Paul stated in Romans 1:3 and reiterated in Hebrews 2.

Abraham was given two promises. One spiritual , and one earthly.

Please rightly divide the differences between these two.

Abraham was imputed righteousness when he believed God for Isaac. But you must also believe our faith doesn't stop there. We continue to live by faith Paul calls obedience of faith, which is our sanctification. Acts 26:18. Our sanctification is also by faith. Abraham's faith was tested when asked to sacrifice Isaac.


Gospels Of Circumcision
  
Michael_e, for your sake I'm over the moon that Paul clarified your verses in Genesis as Paul also addresses this same promise in Galatians to the Gentiles. Israel has blessed us and the whole world with OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST. Even Paul in Romans 1:3 reiterate this truth.


Galatians 3:16
Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, And to seeds, as of many, but as of one, And to your Seed, who is Christ.

Galatians 3:29
And if you are Christs, then you are Abrahams seed, and heirs according to the promise


What Was Paul's Gospel
  
Ephesians 1:13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.


Scripture disagrees with you David. This is why we believe in eternal security. We were bought with the Blood of Jesus, and Peter and Paul also clarifies this. Acts 20:28 , 1 Peter 1:18-19
Redeemed also means purchased.

Unbelievers can be convicted of sin by the Holy Spirit, but not indwelt. Be careful who you call a liar.


What Was Paul's Gospel
  
2 Timothy 2:25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves, if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth.

Even repentance is of the Lord. This is what Peter was referring to in Acts 2:38. Acknowledging Jesus Christ as the promised Messiah and turning from their rejection of Him.

Ephesians again show we are sealed with the Holy Spirit after we believe. For Israel to BELIEVE they needed to repent of their rejection of their promised messiah. God is not going to give anyone the Holy Spirit if they don't believe Jesus Christ is The Promised messiah.

Repentance means to change one's mind. Peter, in Acts 2 is telling them they needed to change their minds about Jesus Christ.


What Was Paul's Gospel
  
Michael_e, I find your last statement to Phil disturbing. Here's why. Our faith is based on the witness of the Apostles of Jesus' death and resurrection. You and I were not there. I don't know about you, but my faith is based on Jesus' death and resurrection Peter and the other apostles witnessed and testified to.

You must remember Jesus said, 'Salvation of OF the Jews' meaning the Jew's religion. All salvation is in the death and resurrection of Jesus.

There aren't two ways of salvation. Jesus' death and resurrection save both Jew and gentile alike.

They asked, what then must we do TO BE SAVED. Just as you and me 'BELIEVE'.

The Holy Spirit is given only to those saved. Are you dividing the Holy Spirit too?


What Was Paul's Gospel
  
Apollos here is not part of Jesus earthly ministry but the BOC Paul is addressing in Corinth. He is also rebuking you too Michael_e by dividing Christ as you just did. You preach Christ is divided....showing according to Paul you are still carnal, why I said you were still a babe. You exalt Paul where he clearly rebukes anyone who does.

1 Corinthians 1:12-13

12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul, and I of Apollos, and I of Cephas, and I of Christ.

13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?


What Was Paul's Gospel
  
Michael_e, what Holy Spirit are you talking about here? The one in Ephesians where we are sealed with the Holy Spirit after we believe, or the Spirit of the life of Christ that sets us free from the law of sin and death in Romans 8, or the Circumcision of the heart in the spirit and not in the letter, Paul refers to in Philippians 3?

And please explain Apollos to us all. He was preaching John the Baptists message until Pricilla and Aquilla took him aside and explained to him MORE PERFECTLY Acts 18:24-28. It doesn't say they encroached on one of Peters's converts and stole him away. Verse 28 is interesting here. See how easy those who were in Peters's church could easily transfer into Paul's Church through a FULLER UNDERSTANDING!


What Was Paul's Gospel
  
Michael_e, I have no idea what your last comment is about? I believe you are the one saying Peter preached what John the Baptist preached and that is the Kingdom restored to Israel. What other Kingdom is there? I never said it began, but said it did not begin at acts 1 and abruptly end in the middle of Acts as you seem to claim. Man cannot begin and end a dispensation. God begins and ends according to His will and purpose. Nothing can twart Gods plan and purpose. Not even Israel's unwillingness as you claim. There is only one faith Michael_e not two.


What Was Paul's Gospel
  
David,You have been trying to take this discussion in a different direction since you decided to come back here. You have missed the point and have tried to hijack this conversation. Please stop it.

Michael_e Romans 4 was addressed to you. I should have started a few verses before with King David saying vs 6 and that the blessings are addressed for the forgivness of sin to both Israel and Gentiles. See vs 7. No one is forgiven of sin through works.Not even Israel. And their sins are forgiven in Christ as Paul shows. Our faith is proved through our works that it is genuine. Sin is forgiven through Faith in Jesus finished works, not ours. And Israel does not have to wait for forgiveness ... Read Romans 4 Carefully please.


What Was Paul's Gospel
  
Michael_e, I also understand the difference between the Kingdom to Come and the Church Age, and the Church is not Israel

My understanding of the Kingdom to Come must be different than yours, because there is no way that was preached or realized in Acts , not even for a moment in time. It's a time where the Great tribulation takes place first before Jesus sets up His Kingdom on Earth. The Glorified Church, the BOC will accompany Him. If that were to have happened Jesus would have not ascended to the Father, but would have stayed after His resurrection and would have no BOC to reign and rule with Him. 2 Timothy 2:12. It didn't happen Michael_e. That is what is called rightly dividing the word of truth.



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