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Gospel of 1 Corinthians 15:1-4
Peter , Acts 2. quoting OT PROPHECY, about Jesus death and resurrection. The Mystery was never the death and resurrection of Jesus, as the OT prophecied, Even Isaiah 53 fortold of the sufferings of Christ. Peter quotes David in the Psalms re the death and resurrection. Abraham sacrificing Isaac, where Abraham saw in a vision the resurrection.

The real issue here is Michael_e has a different belief of what THE MYSTERY is.

Colossians 1:24-27 clearly tell us what THE MYSTERY IS, and it's not Jesus death and resurrection.

Jesus even spoke of His death and resurrection in the 4 Gospels, so NO Paul wasn't the first to say..."HAY GUESS WHAT, JESUS DIED AND ROSE FROM THE DEAD, AND IM THE FIRST TO KNOW THIS".

What Is Rightly Dividing The Word
Acts 1:6-7 tell us God did not "then" restoring the Kingdom to Israel. There IS NO OTHER KINGDOM in scripture. So Michael_e has created ANOTHER KINGDOM that began and ended in Acts 1-13, but hasn't given a good explication as to WHERE THESE from Acts 1-13 are? He says they have to WAIT for forgivness until the Kingdom starts up again. NO OT PROPHECY remotely suggests a Kingdom will start and abruptly end because Paul came along. Where are those souls now? Because OT SAINTS before the Law or promise of another Kingdom ARE SAVED, FORGIVEN, AND IN HEAVEN RIGHT NOW. HEBREWS 11-12. So why do those from Acts 1-13 have to wait?

Michael_e makes statements NOT IN SCRIPTURE, and then when asked for BCV, he changes the subject.

Church Today In Apostasy
There are a couple here who clearly fall into this category. They are not sinless . Using scripture as a form of witchcraft too to assault another is also sin. Falsely ASSUMING Strongaxe agrees with me rather than just understanding scripture as most Christians do, is another form of sin....JEALOUSY disguised as some sort of righteous act. One person here hits on ALL 7.

Proverbs 6:16-19

16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:

17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,

19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

How To Rebuke Evil
So the WHOSOEVER in Revelation who take the mark of the beast are offered ONLY to JEWS AND ISRAEL . So no other humans will be offered or take this Mark, but Jews and Israel only, and everyone else is free from fear and will be saved. So does the Beast ONLY affect IsraelJews or the whole world?

Calvinist's also redefine WHOSOEVER to apply to them only.

So in Calvinism, ONLY CALVINISTS will offered and take the mark of the beast.

See how rediculous scripture becomes when cults redefine words?

The only Jezebel here is Trav....

Gospels Of Circumcision
Just as the promiseS to Abraham are two entirely different promises, ( the CHURCH was never promised LAND) the New Covenant also has 2 parts as well. Paul clarifies this in 2 Corinthians 3. The New Testament is in Jesus Blood, just as the Everlasting Covenant is in Jesus Blood..Hebrews 13:20-21. If Jesus didn't need to rise from the dead, then Michael_e's gospel is bogus. He can't have it both ways.

Nothing came into effect EVEN THE CHURCH until Jesus died and rose again. Hebrews makes this clear. And this is where Michael_e fails to RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD OF TRUTH.

Paul understanding these covenants explain to us...Romans 4 Galatians, 1Cor 2:3, who did practice the Lords supper...WITH GENTILES. 1 Cor 11:17-34.

Church Today In Apostasy
When did I say I sin WILLFULLY Against God? David is WILLFULLY LYING here. That is what WILLFULLY SIN IS. And David makes a habitual habit here of WILLFULLY LYING and making false accusations.

You see there is the difference. Willful means purposeful and intentional. Where John says IF WE CONTINUE IN SIN. David CONTINUES in this same assault of lying and false accusations called WILLFUL SIN.

So David has proved 1) he is not saved 2) or there is no such thing as sinless perfection.

Now I will say Christians don't WILLFULLY sin. But David here has. Hummmmm

What Is Rightly Dividing The Word
Michael_e , actually you are wrong. Not only do I make a distinction between THE NATION OF ISRAEL and God's Promises to them, and the Church being a total different entity, and not only had the Lord clearly taught me THE MYSTERY, HE also taught me right from Acts 1:6-7 that was Rightly DIVIDED from Acts 13 that the promise TO THE NATION OF ISRAEL had not begun, not until Isaiah 14 is fulfilled, we see happened in 1948, not 34ad, that Zechariah 12-14 also has to come to pass before any OTHER GOSPEL of the Kingdom is preached. The Lord thoroughly establishing me in those truths have clearly debunked YOUR THEORY Bullenger never grasped. A good bible student listens to the Lord and not Billingerism, Ironside called Satan.

What Is Rightly Dividing The Word
2 Timothy say nothing about the mystery or 2 Gospels. He was talking about false teachers. We who don't believe in hyper-dispensationalism also believe we too have rightly divided the work of truth, so wearing out the verse as if it proves your doctrine is not necessary or working.

Paul discussed the Covenant with Abraham and the New Covenant. Abraham was given 2 promises.... One concerning Isaac, and one concerning Jacob. IN ISAAC WILL THY SEED BE CALLED, NOT SEEDS. THE SEED IS CHRIST. Those who have a heavenly calling. Abraham looked for a city who's builder and maker is God. THE HEAVENLY JERUSALEM. .It's verses like this YOU overlook or make up something to explain away. Your explaining away creates more issues you won't address.

Church Today In Apostasy
David thinks 1 John is written to unbelievers. David believes to get saved you have to confess your sin till your blue in the face and with this action you can cleanse yourself and become sinless. Then God sees you as sinless and says WOW, now I can save this person.

The problem is David rejects salvation BY FAITH IN JESUS. So he sees 1st John differently than others.

But the only CONFESSION I see re salvation first is Romans 10:9-10. To confess with your mouth Jesus is Lord and believe God raised Jesus from the dead. We BELIEVE UNTO RIGHTEOUSNESS. WE DONT CONFESS SIN UNTO RIGHTEOUSNESS.

This is reiterated all through scripture. BELIEVE on the Lord Jesus Christ... And thou shall be saved. 1John is written to BELIEVERS.

What Is Rightly Dividing The Word
2 Timothy 2:15 is not some sort of magic verse that proves whoever constantly uses it is automatically correct and no one else. As if you are the only one RIGHTLY DIVIDING THE WORD OF TRUTH is arrogant.

Bottom line , Hyper-dispensationalism has been debunked as a false doctrine.

We can go round and round here till the cows come home. Michael_e has avoided some very good questions and scripture.

He sees only through the eyes of Bullinger.

We'll just have to agree to disagree. As a Jew, I see and understand things differently.

To say the Church is not under the Everlasting Covenant is the final deal breaker here for me. It shows Michael_e is not grounded in scripture.

Church Today In Apostasy
Just read 1 and 2 Timothy. I don't see Paul even remotely saying we are sinless.

David, those Apostles agree with me. Ha ha.

I asked who HERE ON THIS SITE agrees with you? I so no one. You say you are here to save the world , so you must feel you have an audience of thousands. I see no one popping in to support your theory.

Gospels Of Circumcision
God, who promises to work in you to will and to do of His good pleasure is a COVENANT PROMISE. Jesus who promises to raise you fron the dead, is a COVENANT PROMISE. The Covenants to Israel the Nation were earthly blessings for obedience. The land etc. The Everlasting Covenant promises Eternal Life through the shed blood of Jesus Christ.

Hebrews 13:20-21
20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ, to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

What Is Rightly Dividing The Word
And right before that Paul was telling Timothy that some were preaching the resurrection had taken place. Nothing about 2 Gospels in question. Was Peter preaching the resurrection had happened....not the resurrection of Jesus, but the first resurrection , subverting the faith of many?

The 2 Gospels, reminds me of the 2 House theory going on here as well. One says only Gentiles were forgiven and saved, the othere says only the House of Judah and the house of Israel were saved. I wonder why these two don't debate each other here. Trav has popped in, but says nothing, I guess finding more humor in attacking Strongaxe than defending his position. Interesting. Or is Trav just a coward to debate Michael_e? Or just a Troll?

Orthodox Church Priesthood
I find it interesting Trav doesn't debate Michael_e, who claims only Gentiles, (not Trav definition of Gentiles either ) are saved. And that Jews ect have to WAIT until after this dispensation to receive forgivness. That Jews are on some sort of DEFERRED PLAN.

Trav Has popped in to Michael_e's posts, and hardly says a word. Yet finds it somehow more important to attack Strongaxe who believes both Jews and Gentiles who have faith in Jesus Christ are FORGIVEN OF SIN.

So if Trav also believes there was two Gospels, then why all this nonsense? Or is Michael_e too intimidating for Trav? I think that might be the case.

Gospels Of Circumcision
Wrong, YOUR Gentile forefathers were under the EVERLASTING COVENANT, where Jesus was FORORDAINED before the foundation of the world to take away sin. This covenant was on behalf of mankind. Where the Lambs book of life, rooted in the BLOOD OF THE EVERLASTING COVENANT , is from the foundation of the world. The first names in that book would be Adam and Eve, Abel, Seth, Noah Enouch, Lot, Job, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David , Moses, and more names are added daily , those who BY FAITH believe in the Promises of God.

No scripture says the Church is not under any Covenants. Not even those verses in Ephesians Michael_e takes out of context.

Gospels Of Circumcision
Here's golden nugget hidden in the OT but now revealed. Adam and Eve. Eve was not created like Adam, Eve was taken from Adams rib. She literally was bone of his bone flesh of his flesh. Being made ONE. The CHURCH is taken from Jesus side, by our BEING Crucified with Christ and raised up a new Creature IN CHRIST. Bone of His Bone Flesh of His Flesh. Our NEW MAN IS JOINED TO JESUS. John 17:23 reiterated in Colossians 3:1-4.

This was never promised to earthly Israel. But to all believers beginning at Pentecost.

But our special calling out during this dispensation is not another way of salvation. There is only one way of salvation. BELIEVE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST.

What Is Rightly Dividing The Word
We need The Holy Spirit, OUR TEACHER to guide us. There's an interesting verse " After you have suffered awhile , God will establish, strengthen and settle you." This is center to our growth and maturity. We are exercised to discern both good and evil, truth from lies. So there is so much more than just studying here. There is hands on, rubber meets the road trials and testings of our faith, that establishes us in TRUTH.

Our sufferings conform us to His image through having His TRUTH WROUGHT IN US. Paul experienced this...."wrought" which means to beat. It's a painful process. It separates those of head KNOWLEGDE only from the real Christian. James Epistle is important to understanding this process.

Gospels Of Circumcision
Let me further reiterate on Hebrews 13:20-21. This same Covenant between Father Son and Holy Spirit is the exact covenant the Church is blessed by, Romans 8:11-13. We are IN CHRIST JESUS. That is a Covenant beyond our understanding. Unless Michael_e is preaching ANOTHER JESUS not found in scripture.

If God's Covenant is between Father Son and Holy Spirit, we are then recipients of this Covenant God made before the foundation of the world . Ephesians 1:4. So before the foundation of the World God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit made a covenant , that was kept hidden now revealed that God would give His Son a bride, the BOC. Bone of His Bone, Flesh of His Flesh. Also stated as the mystery. Ephesians 5:30

Church Today In Apostasy
David, I said nothing about interpreters of any kind. However if you look at Ephesians 4, again read THE WHOLE CHAPTER, God gifted His Body of believers, those IN CHRIST ONLY with spiritual gifts FOR THE PURPOSE of keeping us from false teachers. Teacher, exhortation, prophesy, service, evangelism, etc etc until we all come into maturity. So yes God has gifted His Church , every single one with these gifts.

So here again, no man is an island, No personal interpretations , no personal revelations given only to one that can't be brought into check by other members.

Again, WHAT DENOMINATION ARE YOU? WHO ELSE AGREES WITH YOU? If there are no other, you don't fall into Ephesians 4, and we should be weary of you.

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