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How To Love
  
Lu.22:36- misquoted by- strongaxe.

A little knowledge can be dangerous. Strongaxe misquote and limited knowledge of the events in Gethsemane creates war and destruction on a global scale!

In context, comparing both Luke and Matthew, Jesus used the situation in Gethsemane to teach his disciples a salient lesson. When Peter drew the sword, the parallel account at Matthew 26:52, Jesus said:

"Put your sword back in its place... for all who draw the sword will die by the sword".

Jesus does not want his disciples to take up arms. It is neither wise, nor loving.

Rather, "Love your enemies, and pray for those persecuting you"- Mt.5:44. Something strongaxe fails to comprehend.


How To Love
  
//clergymen secretly worked against the Nazis//- strongaxe.

But they wouldn't have had to if their church leaders opposed the Nazis in the first place! It was Catholic church policy to support the Nazis! Strongaxe pettifogging over JW's, who 'keep on the watch' is wholly disproportionate considering the devastation strongaxe church has inflicted on humanity! (Mk.13:37)

Regarding Love, Jesus said:

"By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another."- Jo.13:35 (NIV)

During the last 2 World Wars Catholics killed Catholics, and Protestants killed Protestants.

There's no Christian love in Constantinian religions!


Christians Sell Cigarettes
  
//World War I was not started by the Catholic church//- strongaxe.

Nobody is saying it did. But governments were desperate for support from the RCC and other Constantinian religions. And the Archbishops fell over themselves to provide that support.

The RCC didn't stop at WWI. There is clear evidence Eugenio Pacelli (known as Pope Pius XII) along with Von Papen, "signed a concordat between the Holy See and the Nazis on July 20, 1933... Hitler interpreted the concordat to mean that he had won the church's approval, thereby gaining international recognition of his Nazi regime" America Magazine.

I cannot find any record of JW's supporting a campaign of war which cost millions of lives... can you?


Christians Sell Cigarettes
  
strongaxe.

No JW's don't make predictions "over and over" again, neither do they claim divine insight. These are pathetic strawman arguments to push sordid twisted lies about a peace loving group who shun the sordid and corrupt Constantinian Catholic Church who cowtow to satanic warlords!

//I spent one year with JWs in 1976//

But strongaxe prefers Constantinian Christianity with trinitarians who remove God's name 6973 times, and preach war and death.

Strongaxe is... "A dog returning to its vomit," and, "A sow that is washed returns to her wallowing in the mud." (2Pe.2:22 NIV)

//just "book studies"//

Well at least we didn't have book burning sessions!


Christians Sell Cigarettes
  
//Damage caused by trinitarians is DESPITE what they teach//- strongaxe.

Rubbish! It was Catholic teaching to take up arms and go to war!

On April 18, 1917, Cardinal Gibbons, the Archbishop of Baltimore wrote a letter to President Wilson, signed by him and all the other US Archbishops:

"We stand ready... committed to our keeping, to cooperate in everyway possible with our President and our national government... Our people will rise as one man to serve the nation".

Gibbons on the threshold of WWI continually told Catholic trinitarians: "the duty of a citizen is absolute and unreserved obedience to his country's call".

The damage caused by trinitarians IS because of what they teach!


Fail To Tell The Truth
  
//writing his name 6973 are the guilty one!//- Ruben

How does restoring God's name to the Bible make one guilty of removing it!? You are confused!

//Acts 4:12//

Acts 4:12 refers to a man's name "under heaven" and "among men". Jehovah has never been "under heaven" and "among men". God's Son, Jesus has been "under heaven" and "among men"! So there is no other name "under heaven" and "among men" [apart from Jesus] by which we are saved!

//then they must also have on the foreheads his name, correct?//

Do you believe "the Lamb" is a real person? (Rev.14:1) Do you believe he looks and sounds like a Lamb!?


Fail To Tell The Truth
  
//predictions about the end of the world//- Strongaxe.

Laughably, 1799 was a date strongaxe trinitarian Catholic church made wrong predictions about the end of the world!

1874 & 1925 were not dates believed to be the end of the world. More strongaxe lies.

Yes, JW's knew 40 years before 1914 that it was a marked year according to Bible prophecy. JW's knew something major was going to happen Autumn 1914.

But while JW's were handing out Bible literature in the years leading up to 1914 & 1925, strongaxe crowd were handing out guns and bullets.

Again, strongaxe quarrel with JW's is completely underwhelming considering the death and destruction strongaxe trinitarian crowd brought to humanity!


Fail To Tell The Truth
  
//We know God's name is Yahweh//- strongaxe.

So why don't they use Yahweh instead of changing the Bible!?

JW's use "Jehovah", just as "Jesus" is used for his son instead of "Yeshuah". Strongaxe obsesses about the use of "Jehovah" when he hypocritically has no problem with using "Jesus"!

Jesus made his Fathers "name manifest". (Jo.17:6) JW's follow Christ in doing the same.

The King James Bible used "JEHOVAH" in 1611 (at Ps.83:18). That's what people are more familiar with.

Unlike strongaxe, God is not a spelling Nazi. Removing God's name and changing the Bible as strongaxe and his cohorts have done 6973 times is far more serious!


Fail To Tell The Truth
  
//They don't consider any translations of the Bible by other groups to be The Truth//- strongaxe.

Given the fact all trinitarian translations remove God's name all 6973 times, how can trinitarian Bibles ever be teaching Truth!?

The NWT speaks far more Truth by restoring God's name to its rightful place in scripture as originally inspired by holy spirit.

God's name is to be "written on the foreheads" of the 144,000! (Rev.14:1) How can they be written on the foreheads of those who have gone out of their way to work against the holy spirit and remove God's name!? Jesus "made God's name manifest"! (Jo.17:17)

Trinitarians are opposed to Christ because they hide God's name!


Fail To Tell The Truth
  
//They keep making predictions about the end of the world// strongaxe.

JW's don't "keep making predictions" as strangaxe falsely claims.

JW's are waiting for the end of this Satanic system to end that's correct. But nobody knows the day or the hour (Matt.24:36).

//they consider THEIR OWN LITERATURE from 50 years ago to be dangerous//- strongaxe

This is laughable. Another lie.

I've been a JW for over 35yrs. Have JW literature dating back to 1901 and I'm still serving. Any suggestion one might be "disfellowshipped" for possessing old literature is completely bonkers.

More strongaxe hysteria.


Fail To Tell The Truth
  
//guilty of all the things they accused other Christians of//- strongaxe.

Are JW's guilty of coercing young men and women to fight in two world wars? Wars fostered and encouraged by strongaxe trinitarian leaders! The life expectancy of youngsters in any trinitarian church during WW I & II was a matter of months!

Many have stopped drinking strongaxe trinitarian Death-Aid... left the pagan trinity and come over to the truth!

Strongaxe 'squeezes out the gnat, but gulps down the camel'... Hypocritically pointing to "errors" of JW's while ignoring the glaring rotteness of trinitarian death cults!

Google images: the churches and hitler.

See what strongaxe trinitarian leaders are guilty of!


Fail To Tell The Truth
  
Strongaxe- "The Truth" (their (JWs) name for the Word of God)

Nope. Strongaxe lies again.

Jesus said:

"...your word is truth" (John 17:17 NIV)

JW's refer to the Word of God as "the Truth", because that's how Christ referred to it!

Strongaxe keeps getting it wrong all the time.


Fail To Tell The Truth
  
//So since you use his name as a JW, than [sic] you must be one of the 144,000 that are 'seal' [sic], right?//- Ruben.

You need to be more concerned about what you are doing with God's name! Do you think by removing God's name [YHWH] from your Bibles all 6973 times qualifies you to be with 'the Lamb'?

As Rev.14:1 says, the 144,000 have "the name of the Father written on their foreheads"... a name which trinitarians have deceitfully deleted.

Jesus said in prayer to his Father, "I have manifested thy name..." (John 17:6 KJV) Are you following Christ by "manifesting" God's name? If you think removing God's name qualifies you to be 'sealed' and with 'the Lamb' in heaven, then crack on!


Fail To Tell The Truth
  
"The Truth"- strongaxe

Well as strongaxe has not said anything truthfull about JW's, and in fact lies with impunity, it's a bit rich for strongaxe to be the arbiter of what is "Truth". But strongaxe is in the right place to expose himself as the liar he is.

Given the devastation brought by trinitartians on humankind, strongaxe criticism of JW's is wholly underwhelming. Both World Wars fought in the last century were started and supported by the trinitarian cult outfit- the RCC- who murdered people on an industrial scale.

How does strongaxe justify that?

Strongaxe diatribe against JW's pails into insignificance when compared to the devastation wrought by his corrupt religious belief system.


Fail To Tell The Truth
  
//These 144,000 are not the JW's either// kathr4453

Ah... but the JW's and the 144,000 both use God's name!

"Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Fathers name written on their foreheads"- Rev.14:1 (NIV).

What is the name of Jesus' Father?

"That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth"- Psalms 83:18 (KJV of 1611).

The 144,000 are "sealed" because they use and worship Jesus' Father... Jehovah God!

Kathr4453 doesn't!


Know Each Other In Heaven
  
//The four angels are at work here not the Holy Spirit//- ven.

Can I now correct ven. It is the angel from the 'sunrising' who is doing the work described at Revelation 7, not the 4 angels. The angel from the 'sunrising' has come 'with a seal of the living God'. This angel instructs the 4 angels not to harm the earth, "until after we have sealed the slaves of God". The number of those who are sealed is 144,000- Rev.7:2-4.

What is the "seal" from God?

"...set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come"- 2Cor.1:22 (NIV).

"...were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit"- Eph.1:13 (Holman, ESV, NASB)


Know Each Other In Heaven
  
//does not teach that the 144,000 were sealed by the Holy Spirit//- ven.

So if they're not sealed by holy spirit, what do you believe they are sealed with? Yes they're sealed on the forehead, but with what... wax? Celotape? Superglue? Do you understand what being 'sealed' means?

This is where scripture interprets scripture. I used Eph.1:13,14 to identify not the 144,000, but what they are sealed with.

"...ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise" (KJV)

"The seal is the Holy Spirit that he promised" (NIRV)

It's my belief the 144,000 are "sealed" on their foreheads by the angel from the 'sunrising' with HS.

If not with holy spirit, then with what are they sealed?


Know Each Other In Heaven
  
//you can get the answers you desire directly from the believers// David.

Only too pleased to help.

Agape.


Know Each Other In Heaven
  
//the 144,000, especially when you consider they have millions of Members//- David.

"Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel... After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count... before the Lamb"- Rev.7:4,9 (NIV).

JW's believe what Revelation 7 teaches- millions will be saved. Revelation 7 clearly points out, there are 2 groups of saved ones: the 144,000, and the great multitude.

The 144,000 are "sealed" by holy spirit (Eph.1:13,14). The great multitude are the ones who "come out of the great tribulation"- Re.7:14.

There are millions of the 'great multitude'.



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