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Confession Of Sin
Hebrews 11 list the OT HEIRS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS WHICH IS BY FAITH. Their faith in the promised Messiah was considered to be that of Justification by faith. They all died without receiving the PROMISE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, as is explained at the end of Hebrews, but saved all the same. They had to wait for us, and we see in Hebrews 12 these OT Saints are the Spirits OF JUST MEN MADE PERFECT. Their perfection came when Jesus rose from the dead. Before these were the righteous in Abraham's bosom, we see in Luke. They were brought to heaven AFTER JESUS ENTERED HEAVEN FIRST. AKA, no one can come to the Father except through Jesus Christ. THE VEIL INTO THE HOLY OF HOLIES ( THE PRESENCE OF GOD THE FATHER ...was not opened until Jesus opened the way.

Confession Of Sin
Ephesians 5 along with other scripture states sin that should not once be named among Christians, also other places explicitly saying those who do such things WILL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD.

BUT those verses also don't preach sinless perfection.

Only God can see the heart, not man.

I believe 1 John says CONTINUE in sin. So Priests( an example) who are caught , moved to another perish AND CONTINUE MOLESTING is an example of an unrepentant heart. Same goes for any sin one CONTINUES after getting exposed. But it also shows these folks don't have the indwelling Holy Spirit that convicts of sin. And no one is saved without the indwelling Holy Spirit.

Confession Of Sin
I'm not sure what mainstream churches David has in mind. David doesn't know the first thing about my church or what we believe.

Just throwing out slander AKA SIN, to , what? What is the purpose of Davids continued lies about what he thinks I believe.

David's doctrine is not in scripture. It's not mainstream but has no stream at all. It's a cloud without water. Has no rhyme nor reason, and it's not built on the foundation of Christ crucified. He should not be proud his is not mainstream. He's proud it's a cult OF ONE. I've seen no one here in agreement with David's doctrine of saving himself. Mainstream believes JESUS SAVES AND THIS IS WHAT DAVID OBJECTS TO.

Confession Of Sin
Oh I believe absolutely if we confess our sin He is faithful and just to forgive and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. The difference I believe is 1John is addressed to those already saved by Grace through faith in Jesus Christ who died for our sin.


1St John addresses sin AFTER you are saved, not a HOW TO GET SAVED. Romans 6 address CONTINUED SIN AFTER WE ARE SAVED.

David teaches confessing sin UNTIL YOU ARE SINLESS AND THEN GOD SAVES.

So David's doctrine has no foundation of truth.

Explain 2 Chronicles 7:14
So, 1)Acts 2 is a call to repentance to receive the promise of the Holy Spirit to WHOSOEVER WILL. Not a promise to restore land or kingdom. Evidence shows no kingdom was restored or land returned to Israel.

2) Those saved in Israel did not return to animal sacrifice after proclaiming REPENTANCE FOR THE REMISSION OF SIN, AKA there is no more sacrifice of animals. Jesus blood as Paul reiterates in Romans 3:25 make clear what remission of sin is...and was in JESUS BLOOD.

3) Paul preached the SAME salvation in Acts 17:30 as Peter in Acts 2. But was to ALL MEN EVERYWHERE to REPENT FOR THE REMISSION OF SIN, ...shows it was not a call to a restored Kingdom since Pauls call was to Gentiles, and 2 Chronicles 7:14 was not.

Explain 2 Chronicles 7:14
It also needs to be pointed out Michael_e your verse totally out of place and context Hebrews 13:10,explained in verses 12-14. says nothing about sacrificing animals...but verses 11 - 13 is showing an example . Especially when Hebrews 13 summarizes JESUS died and shed HIS BLOOD for the remission of sin clearly taught in Hebrews 10, and again summarizing in Hebrews 13:20-21. We do have an alter re 1 Cor 10:18, 21 is where the unsaved have no right to eat at where communion reiterates the BLOOD OF THE COVENANT also reiterated in Hebrews 13:20-21 says nothing about the blood of bulls and goats.

I find it odd you insist one rightly divide the word of truth, and this one was an EASY DIVISION. What happened?

Confession Of Sin
Now David had mustard all over his face.

David, you are a good story teller I'll give you that, and Trav can't stop sticking his finger in his eye which is humorous... but you both need to find a storytelling site who loves fairy tales.

Those, like children, sit around in a circle with their blankies, sucking their thumbs while you lul them to sleep with stories of mustard stains on their cloths mother just washed. You both want an obedient room of children who you think loves your stories.

Naaaaaa. I'd rather watch Mr Rogers Neighborhood.

Confession Of Sin
.You teach folks they must simply believe they are saved...kinda like Buddhism, or Hinduism.

---David on 11/26/21

Hilarious, seeing Buddhism or Hinduism doesn't teach Jesus Christ is LORD and has died for our sin, and those WHO BELIEVE IN HIM for the remission of sin is nowhere in their belief system.

That's the problem David, you are not a teacher of the HOLY BIBLE. If you actually were you would never have made such a rediculous statement showing your ignorance.

Check out Acts 10:43 and Romans 3:25. Both prove your teaching wrong. Also showing you don't understand the Gospel.

Explain 2 Chronicles 7:14
Michael_e, seeing you insist 2Chronicles 7:14 and Acts 2 is a call to the whole nation, Paul in Acts 17:30 put out a call TO ALL MEN EVERYWHERE TO REPENT.

So rightly dividing here using YOUR definitions and understanding, if God called off restoring the Nation of Israel because the whole nation didn't repent, then God called off salvation to ALL MEN EVERYWHERE , seeing ALL MEN EVERYWHERE TO REPENT, DID NOT REPENT.

Or the 1000 year reign of the restored Israel ended 1000 years ago, so what is it? Are we all now in heaven? YIKES.

You can't have it both ways.

Explain 2 Chronicles 7:14
Jesus commission: Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Peter Obeys , Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Peter obeys re all nations , Acts 10:43To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name "whosoever" believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Paul obeys , Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God,

Confession Of Sin
David, you have mustard on you. If what you say is true, then that explains why you have not overcome sin. It's because you are not confessing your sin you sin here over and over. And seeing you don't practice what you preach, and confession of sin has no power to render you sinless. If it did you would have stopped long ago. Before even coming on CN RIGHT? Or when did you discover you were sinless?

So , maybe if you confessed your sin of slandering others, you would actually stop slandering others.

You seem to be in a catch 22 here. Denying you have sinned here is not an option.

Ok done for the day. Time to get ready to eat.

Happy Thanksgiving everyone.

Explain 2 Chronicles 7:14
Michael_e, First there is no such thing as God giving eternal life to a Nation. 2 Chronicles 7:14 is not about eternal life and individual salvation. Acts 2 IS.

We see in Acts 2 many repented and were saved given the Holy Spirit for eternal life, not for a restored nation and healed land. HEALED LAND IS NOT A HEALED LIFE.

If Isreals salvation depends on 100% cooperation or NOTHING, then Gentiles must be given the same mandate. Either ALL HUMANITY REPENT or no salvation for anyone.

That's what you are saying comparing 2 Chronicles to Acts. It's WHOSOEVER WILL , which means INDIVIDUAL ETERNAL LIFE. To the Jew first and then to the Gentile.

You have not rightly divided this truth.

Confession Of Sin

When you understand this truth we will continue . Until then, because you have made up your own definition, there is nothing here to discuss.

Explain 2 Chronicles 7:14
Michael_e, "remission of sin" ACTS 2. It means to cancel a debt. To forgive. To be JUSTIFIED , necessary before we receive the Holy Spirit. Now also understand the Messiah was prophecied to come for the "remission of sin". Under the OT, the sacrifice of Bulls and goats only covered sin, and REMISSION OF SIN was never associated with animal sacrifice. See Hebrews 10. With "remission of sin" there is no more sacrifice of sin. Animal sacrifice was no longer necessary.

Peter clearly preached the "remission of sin" in Acts 2 understanding animal sacrifice was no longer needed for those who repented of rejecting Jesus, believed on Him, and received the Holy Spirit after REMISSION OF SIN.

Religious Teachers In 2021

I regard myself as being prepared by by the Lord for the sole purpose of revealing truth that has been hidden for centuries in order to keep the brethren misguided (I am not a prophet, there are no more prophets, Hebrews 1).
---more_excellent_way on 11/20/21

Was that a Freudian slip ?

Failure Of Democrat Regime
I'm sorry Tim, but THE GOSPEL isn't about politics or left or right or minding earthly things. So one must obey the Gospel to actually preach it with the Power of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit doesn't enter your catty flesh to preach, but quite the opposite.

Calling names is disobedience to Ephesians 5:1-7.

We can hold the word of God up against Ephesians 5 and know you do not preach the Gospel or are called by God to do so.

Confession Of Sin
David, picture yourself as standing in a church teaching your beliefs, and someone raises their hand and pushes back, say like your insistence of total depravity. And you not liking the push back ATTACK the person accusing them of not having a conscience...I guess because they don't agree with you. Or correcting you on the definition of a REMISSION OF SIN. And I can see you having outbursts called SPIRITUAL ABUSE only found in Cults with leaders who cannot be challenged.

Is THIS why you are asked to leave churches you claimed you were asked to leave because of tour doctrine, OR YOUR SPIRITUAL ABUSIVE OUTBURSTS ? Or maybe both? Then you invite other abusers to join you, and that's suppose to prove how Godly you are? Really David?

Religious Teachers In 2021
Paul said, God forbid that I should know anything but Christ and Him Crucified. 1 Corinthians 2:2. That's no hidden secret that needs to be unearthed after many generations.

Salvation is not some hidden truth. It's TRUTH we need to continue to preach to the lost, and need to stop these filibusters of nonsense that get in the way of the Gospel. Re HYPER -Dispensationalism, Hyper Calvinism, restoration theology.... Obey Hebrews 6 please. The foundation has been laid. Now we should go on to maturity...not Gnosticism .

Explain 2 Chronicles 7:14
Here are more facts. Paul, then Saul ,was in Jerusalem when Stephen was stoned in Acts 6. Paul clarified this in Acts 22. So Paul WENT BACK to Jerusalem 14 years AFTER THAT.

Secondly we see the persecuted CHURCH selling their land and property in it doesn't appear Peter standing up reiterating a restoration of the nation or land.

Why would Paul object to the restoration of Israel, as you claim was a reiteration of 2 Chronicles 7:14? Paul like many Jews REJECTED JESUS AS THE PROMISED MESSIAH THE SON OF GOD PERIOD. if it were simply about land restoration there would have been no persecutions deaths etc.
please rightly divide these facts.

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