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Pentecostal Church Our Model
There is no proof not one of the 12 went to Gentile nations. There were 12, also stating Barnabas as an Apostle who went to Gentiles. We don't know where Thomas went. Show in Acts a listing of all 12 and their ministry.

We see in Revelation 1-3 the Churches listed , some we know Paul either established or visited. Ephesians or instance. There were Churches in Asia Manor etc. Were ALL founded by Paul? Where does scripture make a distinction thst some were Jewish Churches only and others were the BOC only. It doesnt.

Zechariah 8 is not the fulfillment of the Kingdom. Chapters 12-14 are.

Pentecostal Church Our Model
Let's be clear that SALVATION Is being forgiven of sin. They preached Jesus death and resurrection right in Acts 2, being witnesses of His Resurrection. And forgiveness of sin. ALL SIN, not just their rejection of Jesus.

Also UNTIL THE RESTITUTION OF ALL THINGS verse Acts 3:21, also included Jesus saying:

Matthew 5:18
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Every single prophecy WILL come to pass...PERIOD. RE the 70th week AKA The Great Tribulation BEFORE THE KINGDOM IS ESTABLISHED.

Predestined As A Son Of God
God predestined before the foundation of the world there would be THE CHURCH. THE BOC. It was kept secret in the OT, yet many scriptures in the OT pointed to the Church, which God has lifted the blinders and the Holy Spirit can show us these types and shadows of A HEAVENLY CALLING.

This age of Grace has now revealed God's plan and purpose FOR THE CHURCH. We have a HIGHER CALLING for a purpose. Our HIGHER CALLING includes our being conformed to the image of Jesus Christ. The CHURCH was predestined, it was not PLAN B after the fact.

Pentecostal Church Our Model
If every Jew had repented of their national sin, recognized who they killed was their Messiah and King,
Acts 3:20 says God would have sent Christ at that time to be their King and would yet set up the Kingdom.////

That didn't happen did it? So common sense tells us the Kingdon WASN'T SET UP, WAS IT? Not for a NY minute.

We have another problem with that thinking. God knows beginning from end, along with the Church actually being predestined BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD. Ephesians! All of it!

So if Israel as a whole nation repented, michael_e says God's plan for the Church would have been scrapped, along with all prophecy OT and NEW, would never have been fulfilled. ZECHARIAH 12-14. ISAIAH 14,Matthew 24-25.

Pentecostal Church Our Model
Trav has no clue what michael_e's doctrine is...THAT ISRAEL was replaced with Gentiles, God calling off the Earthly Kingdom Reign because the Jews simply refused to get with God's program. That's hilarious that Trav doesn't understand this conversation.

Jesus ALSO said in the Gospels......MY KINGDOM IS NOT OF THIS WORLD.

The CHURCH was HIDDEN in tbe OT. It doesn't say it didn't exist. Now revealed we can see many things pointed to the Church..RE ABRAHAM...8th day Circumcision. Abraham's vision of Jesus death and resurrection, Jesus saying IF YOU KNEW ABRAHAM YOU KNOW ME.

Those today who don't understand the Church was revealed to Abraham, long before the Law, don't uderstand the CHURCH TODAY. IT BEGAN IN ACTS 1.

Pentecostal Church Our Model
Also THE CHURCH is going to reign and rule with Christ during the earthly Kingdom reign. So having the Apostles sitting on 12 thrones ruling at that time with Jesus Christ I don't see an issue with. The Church is also going to reign and rule during this time. Because we didn't see 12 thrown set up in Acts 1 is even more proof it didn't begin in Acts 1.

Seeing justice will be swift, the 1000 year reign cannot be thwarted by any human behavior.

Pentecostal Church Our Model
Absolutely they believed in the promised kingdom. But a Kingdom in affect isn't a Kingdom without a KING. And we see Jesus didn't stick around to set up His Kingdom ,....BUT RATHER was ascended into Heaven. When the Kingdom is here so will Jesus literally be here, Sitting on the Throne of David. Where all Gentile and gentile world power will be in subjection to Jesus as KING.

It will happen, but has not yet happened. It didn't start and stop somewhere around Acts 9 or Acts 11 or Acts 15 or Acts 18. It never started in Acts EVER. And NEVER was there even a moment where Roman rule was overthrown. Re 70ad 135ad prove this.

Pentecostal Church Our Model
Of course Peter is addressing Jews at a Jewish Holy Day. The verse I posted shows Peter addressed anyone who could hear.

I find it amazing the Eunuch from Ethiopia ( a gentile ...Before Paul came along) opens the Scriptures to Isaiah 53....not scripture about an earthly kingdom he could join, but about the person of Jesus Christ, who suffered and died FOR OUR SIN.

michael_e says Pentecost was about the Kingdom, not forgiveness of sin, and that the Jews were not forgiven of sin, because they didn't understand Jesus death and resurrection. That's Ludacris! Hebrews 1-2 TODAY IS THE DAY OF SALVATION, AKA HAVING YOUR SIN FORGIVEN, showing that Good News was first accompanied with signs and wonders.....just as Luke recorded in Acts.

What Is Clamor
I don't think it makes Trav look educated. I think it makes him look like he's either drunk or on something. That's what continually posting nonsense looks like.

Trying to make sarcastic jokes, AKA "jetting" Ephesians 5:3-4 out of every post is SIN. Scripture clearly states JESTING is sin. But sin is not an issue with Trav.

So if Trav claims to having the Holy Spirit NC in him, his words and behavior prove the opposite. You will know them by their fruit.

Pentecostal Church Our Model
ACTS 1:22 Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.

One must understand resurrection comes after death.

Acts 2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:

There were Roman's as well living in Jerusalem at that time RE CORNELIUS. The Eunuch was Etheopian.

7 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh:


Please rightly read these verses.

Pentecostal Church Our Model
A careful reading of Acts 1:6-7 show those who know their scriptures know what the Apostles were asking. The Answer Jesus gave is NO. ONLY THE FATHER KNOWS, that is also witnessed in Matthew 24-25...only the Father knows....talking about this exact same promise of the restored kingdom to Israel.

Now again, was ALL OF Matthew 24-25 fulfilled? Was Ezekiel 36, Zechariah 12-14 fulfilled? NO.

So those who rightly divide the word of truth know the earthly kingdom did not begin in Acts 1, JUST LIKE WE KNOW NERO AND HITLER was not the antichrist. Either ALL PROPHECY is fulfilled OR its not TRUTH AND A SLOPPY DIVIDING OF THE WORD OF GOD.

What Is Pentecost
Kinda sad no one knows or understands Pentecost. Maybe that's why there are so many false teachings concerning Pentecost.

Pentecost , 50 days after Passover. But Jubilee, the 7th times 7 years was when all debts were canceled and all property returned to the original owner. But it never was accompanied by the Holy Spirit, or had the promise of the Kingdom restored to Israel.

But Pentecost in Acts 1 was a Jubilee year, and Jesus death and resurrection canceled all sin debt. So Pentecost and Jubilee pointed to Jesus Christ, just as all things under the law did.

Remember 2000 when the Pope promised this? Walk through some door during Jubilee and all your sins were forgiven? YIKES! That is not some holiday man can implement.

Pentecostal Church Our Model
Ezekiel 36:33 Thus saith the Lord God, In the day that I shall have cleansed you from all your iniquities I will also cause you to dwell in the cities, and the wastes shall be builded.

So according to Hyper Dispensationalists GOD FAILED.GOD TOTALLY FAILED to keep His promises......seeing immediately after the beginning OF THE CHURCH IN ACTS 1, Christian Jews were persecuted and again scattered. And in 135ad a most horrible time worse than 70ad happened to Jerusalem.

You can fool some of the people some of the time. But Christians who RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD OF TRUTH , you can't fool. Hyper Disp does not rightly divide the word of truth no matter how many times they claim THEY are the only ones who do. Hogwash!

Pentecostal Church Our Model
I also find it interesting Paul shows GENTILES in 2 Corinthians 3 the difference between being under the Law or the New Testiment AKA The New Covenant. How we are being changed from GLORY to Glory BY THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD.

I have to reiterate to folks to really be careful when a doctrine comes along saying the Church is not SPIRIT FILLED. Just because TODAYS Penticostal churches have distorted the ministry of the Holy Spirit doesn't mean we should throw out the Holy Spirit in our lives today.

I have to wonder if Hypers are void of the Holy Spirit and this is why they believe this nonsense. Ephesians clearly show we are indwelt with the Holy Spirit.


What Is Clamor
I think Trav thinks it makes him look more important if he feels persecuted in some way.

But I don't see persecution, I see paranoid episodes. And seeing it's in EVERY POST of Trav, it's a severe case. I think he should seek some mental health experts. This change is most evident of Trav since Covid. He's had a real change in personality.

We need to pray for Trav or anyone who's obsessed with a subject displaying repetitive displays of paranoia. Not being able to have a normal conversation here is a BIG RED FLAG. ANGRY HOSTILE what we are seeing with these mass murderers.

Pentecostal Church Our Model
Cherry picking verses out of Ezekiel 36 doesn't prove the earthly kingdom reign had begun. A careful reading of Ezekiel 36 would be seeing the whole chapter fulfilled, as it is steeped in prophecy concerning many things that were not dependent on man, as you read , there is no "IF YOU WILL, THEN I WILL" . NO, it's exclusively God saying many times "I WILL, I WILL, I WILL. "

Yet Hyper-dispensationalists insist God had to call of the earthly kingdom, leaving all these first century Jews hanging in limbo excluding them from the BOC .....all because Israel ,AS A WHOLE failed to cooperate, and God had to go to plan B, giving Paul a new Gospel of salvation that accompanied the Holy Spirit for other Jews. Nonsense!

Predestined As A Son Of God
Samuel, the way to pinpoint a Cult is to see if it EXCLUDES anyone, and somehow it's all about THEM being picked.

Predestined here in scripture means THE CHURCH, THOSE SAVED TODAY DURING THIS AGE OF GRACE, God has predetermined the BOC is to be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ, being accomplished through the fellowship of His sufferings, which is what the preaching OF THE CROSS is all about. This in a nut shell is explained in Colossians 1:24-27, Roman's 6-8,Galatians 2:20-21.

Those who fail to see this are simply trying to climb over some other way.

Keep The Sabbath Holy
ANY WORK including cooking on the sabbath defiled the sabbath. No one today can keep a day HOLY exactly as God laid down THE LAW in the OT. Interestingly enough there are no NT SABBATH LAWS. Yet, those who think they are keeping the Sabbath as God wanted in the OT UNDER THE LAW cannot replicate this today, are kidding themselves. You can't kid God. He sees you're not keeping the sabbath, which also included stoning to death those who did not.


THE CHURCH IS CHRIST HIMSELF. When we enter in, we are actually entering into Jesus Christ, baptized into Christ. IN CHRIST WE ARE HOLY, BECAUSE HE IS HOLY. We've been raised up together with Him where there are no days, nights, etc.

Pentecostal Church Our Model
Acts 2:47
Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

Actually no the jews who came every year to pentecost was a yearly activity. It was not some special moment for the Kingdom restored to Israel to begin. Jesus made that clear in Acts 1:6-7.

ALSO how exactly was this Kingdom restored to Israel to begin seeing they rejected Jesus as Lord AND KING. If the Kingdom was to begin then Jesus would have shown Himself to ALL just as Zechariah 12-14 states. When Jesus returns to restore the Kingdom, they will see Him and His wounds, and they will mourn. We see that didn't happen in Acts.

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