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Believe In The Gospel
  
Yes michael_e this is so true. And after seeing the question STRONG DELUSIONS , the Lord just brought to mind that those who OBEY NOT THE GOSPEL,and believe these strong delusions are those still in this world, still worshipping our worldly ungodly politicians , delusional that a human has the power to change the direction of ungodliness when Paul clearly warns in 2 Timothy 3 that not going to happen. So if we end up worshipping a politician or president as though he were God, we are in big trouble. Not me, but those who claim to be Christians still in this world. Ambassadors for Christ are those who preach the gospel to the Lost not preach politics. There's a difference. We need to understand the difference.


Confession Of Sin
  
So again let's look up to the question asked. Where does the POWER OVER SIN come from? Within ourselves or our identification with Jesus in death and resurrection life?

God gave us a way of escape. It's all laid out clearly in Romans 5-8 HOW GOD'S PLAN WORKS if we obey Romans 5-8.

If you argue against it then you are arguing with God also proving you have never obeyed these instructions pointing to yourselves as a liar and not God as a liar. IT WORKS. But the fact is, it exposes your unbelief if you David keep arguing against it and think you've found another way.

Yes those who are Christ's always live in submission to Him in everything.


What Is The Strong Delusion
  
The strong delusions are directed to those who obey not the Gospel. So this delusion would be believing anything but the Gospel. It has to do with believing the anti_Christ is actually Christ which is what "anti" here mean. It doesn't mean AGAINST CHRIST.

The beast is not an animal.

I believe God has exercised humanity over and over warning us of worshipping man over God. Yet, it appears men still fall for these delusions. In our lifetime we have Hitler, fallen ministers men worshipped over God, politicians men have worshipped over God.... And even after falling, still worship these disgraced beings. I call that delusional. It's all described in Romans 1. History repeating itself.


Confession Of Sin
  
David, I think these issues involve all denominations and various beliefs. The one thing I see many of these men and women have in common is fame, popularity, self exaltation, money power etc. I think the one sin I see in common is VANITY. David, Solomon warn in scripture about vanity. Vanity doesn't just affect those you disagree with David, but affects those suffering from PRIDE and vain glory. Believing you're above sinning is vanity David. Thinking you've arrived is pride and vanity.

Look up Weigh Down Ministries and that scandal. Power, greed and money seem to be the hook that has destroyed so many today. The RCC had money laundering issues, ... They also confess sin night and day.


Confession Of Sin
  
No one can believeth themselves to righteousness. Heart or mind. Our belief is in JESUS CHRIST. So it would appear some hearts have deceived themselves. It's already news, but look at Ravi Zachariah and his double life. These things are hard to understand.

Did Ravi believe in himself or Jesus the way scripture says we are to believe. Did pride take over Ravi's life? Did he come to believe he was equal to God,? did his popularity over the years harden his heart? Did he come to believe he was not accountable to anyone? Did money and power harden his heart? Or was this a false profession of faith. Was Ravi's faith only in his head .... believing his intellectual understanding was true faith? Only God knows.


Confession Of Sin
  
All have sinned' and FALLEN SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD.

ok so sin in God's eyes is falling short of the GLORY OF GOD.

Now let's define what the GLORY OF GOD IS.

HINT... 1)The BRIGHTNESS OF HIS GLORY. 2)CHRIST IN YOU THE HOPE OF GLORY. 3) no one can GLORY in the flesh

So no human being no matter what can measure up to the Glory of God..... Unless they are claiming to be equal to God. Only JESUS has measured up to this Glory. As WIVV stated only Jesus hit that mark, in Greek, Hebrew, English, Spanish.... and so on.

Those OUTSIDE OF CHRIST have fallen short of THE GLORY OF GOD. THOSE IN CHRIST HAVE THE GLORY OF CHRIST IN THEM. ITS VERY SIMPLE.


Confession Of Sin
  
Hebrews 11 list the OT HEIRS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS WHICH IS BY FAITH. Their faith in the promised Messiah was considered to be that of Justification by faith. They all died without receiving the PROMISE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, as is explained at the end of Hebrews, but saved all the same. They had to wait for us, and we see in Hebrews 12 these OT Saints are the Spirits OF JUST MEN MADE PERFECT. Their perfection came when Jesus rose from the dead. Before these were the righteous in Abraham's bosom, we see in Luke. They were brought to heaven AFTER JESUS ENTERED HEAVEN FIRST. AKA, no one can come to the Father except through Jesus Christ. THE VEIL INTO THE HOLY OF HOLIES ( THE PRESENCE OF GOD THE FATHER ...was not opened until Jesus opened the way.


Confession Of Sin
  
Ephesians 5 along with other scripture states sin that should not once be named among Christians, also other places explicitly saying those who do such things WILL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD.

BUT those verses also don't preach sinless perfection.

Only God can see the heart, not man.

I believe 1 John says CONTINUE in sin. So Priests( an example) who are caught , moved to another perish AND CONTINUE MOLESTING is an example of an unrepentant heart. Same goes for any sin one CONTINUES after getting exposed. But it also shows these folks don't have the indwelling Holy Spirit that convicts of sin. And no one is saved without the indwelling Holy Spirit.


Confession Of Sin
  
I'm not sure what mainstream churches David has in mind. David doesn't know the first thing about my church or what we believe.

Just throwing out slander AKA SIN, to , what? What is the purpose of Davids continued lies about what he thinks I believe.

David's doctrine is not in scripture. It's not mainstream but has no stream at all. It's a cloud without water. Has no rhyme nor reason, and it's not built on the foundation of Christ crucified. He should not be proud his is not mainstream. He's proud it's a cult OF ONE. I've seen no one here in agreement with David's doctrine of saving himself. Mainstream believes JESUS SAVES AND THIS IS WHAT DAVID OBJECTS TO.


Confession Of Sin
  
Oh I believe absolutely if we confess our sin He is faithful and just to forgive and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. The difference I believe is 1John is addressed to those already saved by Grace through faith in Jesus Christ who died for our sin.

So we are first JUSTIFIED BY FAITH IN JESUS FINISHED WORKS ON THE CROSS

1St John addresses sin AFTER you are saved, not a HOW TO GET SAVED. Romans 6 address CONTINUED SIN AFTER WE ARE SAVED.

David teaches confessing sin UNTIL YOU ARE SINLESS AND THEN GOD SAVES.

So David's doctrine has no foundation of truth.


Explain 2 Chronicles 7:14
  
So, 1)Acts 2 is a call to repentance to receive the promise of the Holy Spirit to WHOSOEVER WILL. Not a promise to restore land or kingdom. Evidence shows no kingdom was restored or land returned to Israel.

2) Those saved in Israel did not return to animal sacrifice after proclaiming REPENTANCE FOR THE REMISSION OF SIN, AKA there is no more sacrifice of animals. Jesus blood as Paul reiterates in Romans 3:25 make clear what remission of sin is...and was in JESUS BLOOD.

3) Paul preached the SAME salvation in Acts 17:30 as Peter in Acts 2. But was to ALL MEN EVERYWHERE to REPENT FOR THE REMISSION OF SIN, ...shows it was not a call to a restored Kingdom since Pauls call was to Gentiles, and 2 Chronicles 7:14 was not.


Explain 2 Chronicles 7:14
  
It also needs to be pointed out Michael_e your verse totally out of place and context Hebrews 13:10,explained in verses 12-14. says nothing about sacrificing animals...but verses 11 - 13 is showing an example . Especially when Hebrews 13 summarizes JESUS died and shed HIS BLOOD for the remission of sin clearly taught in Hebrews 10, and again summarizing in Hebrews 13:20-21. We do have an alter re 1 Cor 10:18, 21 is where the unsaved have no right to eat at where communion reiterates the BLOOD OF THE COVENANT also reiterated in Hebrews 13:20-21 says nothing about the blood of bulls and goats.

I find it odd you insist one rightly divide the word of truth, and this one was an EASY DIVISION. What happened?


Confession Of Sin
  
Now David had mustard all over his face.

David, you are a good story teller I'll give you that, and Trav can't stop sticking his finger in his eye which is humorous... but you both need to find a storytelling site who loves fairy tales.

Those, like children, sit around in a circle with their blankies, sucking their thumbs while you lul them to sleep with stories of mustard stains on their cloths mother just washed. You both want an obedient room of children who you think loves your stories.

Naaaaaa. I'd rather watch Mr Rogers Neighborhood.


Confession Of Sin
  
.You teach folks they must simply believe they are saved...kinda like Buddhism, or Hinduism.

---David on 11/26/21

Hilarious, seeing Buddhism or Hinduism doesn't teach Jesus Christ is LORD and has died for our sin, and those WHO BELIEVE IN HIM for the remission of sin is nowhere in their belief system.

That's the problem David, you are not a teacher of the HOLY BIBLE. If you actually were you would never have made such a rediculous statement showing your ignorance.

Check out Acts 10:43 and Romans 3:25. Both prove your teaching wrong. Also showing you don't understand the Gospel.


Explain 2 Chronicles 7:14
  
Michael_e, seeing you insist 2Chronicles 7:14 and Acts 2 is a call to the whole nation, Paul in Acts 17:30 put out a call TO ALL MEN EVERYWHERE TO REPENT.

So rightly dividing here using YOUR definitions and understanding, if God called off restoring the Nation of Israel because the whole nation didn't repent, then God called off salvation to ALL MEN EVERYWHERE , seeing ALL MEN EVERYWHERE TO REPENT, DID NOT REPENT.

Or the 1000 year reign of the restored Israel ended 1000 years ago, so what is it? Are we all now in heaven? YIKES.


You can't have it both ways.


Explain 2 Chronicles 7:14
  
Jesus commission: Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Peter Obeys , Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Peter obeys re all nations , Acts 10:43To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name "whosoever" believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Paul obeys , Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God,


Confession Of Sin
  
David, you have mustard on you. If what you say is true, then that explains why you have not overcome sin. It's because you are not confessing your sin you sin here over and over. And seeing you don't practice what you preach, and confession of sin has no power to render you sinless. If it did you would have stopped long ago. Before even coming on CN RIGHT? Or when did you discover you were sinless?

So , maybe if you confessed your sin of slandering others, you would actually stop slandering others.

You seem to be in a catch 22 here. Denying you have sinned here is not an option.

Ok done for the day. Time to get ready to eat.

Happy Thanksgiving everyone.


Explain 2 Chronicles 7:14
  
Michael_e, First there is no such thing as God giving eternal life to a Nation. 2 Chronicles 7:14 is not about eternal life and individual salvation. Acts 2 IS.

We see in Acts 2 many repented and were saved given the Holy Spirit for eternal life, not for a restored nation and healed land. HEALED LAND IS NOT A HEALED LIFE.

If Isreals salvation depends on 100% cooperation or NOTHING, then Gentiles must be given the same mandate. Either ALL HUMANITY REPENT or no salvation for anyone.

That's what you are saying comparing 2 Chronicles to Acts. It's WHOSOEVER WILL , which means INDIVIDUAL ETERNAL LIFE. To the Jew first and then to the Gentile.

You have not rightly divided this truth.


Confession Of Sin
  
David, remission of sin means JESUS PAID OUR SIN DEBT, HE DIED IN OUR PLACE. ONCE AND FOR ALL. THERE IS NO MORE NEED FOR ANIMAL SACRIFICE. It does not mean sinlessness.

When you understand this truth we will continue . Until then, because you have made up your own definition, there is nothing here to discuss.



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