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David says he's not welcome in churches and his teachings are not welcome. I think that is the root of his anger issues, and he sees me as those representing the churches who have asked him to leave. He hates protestants for some reason.. yet I've told him I'm not protestant..

So what I see is David's personal crusade to stalk me and endlessly slander me as some vicarious way of hitting back at those who insulted him at those churches. But what David doesn't understand is he is his own worse enemy. If he treats and talks to others the way he talks here, THAT IS why he is unwelcome at any church he TRIES to FORCE his beliefs on. As Christians we are not to FORCE anything on anyone. This is the persona of a Cult leader.


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David seems to believe the Gospel didn't begin until Mark1:1. However when reading the whole chapter of Mark 1 you will see its talking about the beginning of Jesus 3 year ministry, the fulfillment of the promise of the Messiah, ( that promise goes all the way back to Genesis 3:15). And that even John the Baptist KNEW that the Baptism with fire Jesus baptized with was GREATER than John's baptism.

Now if you go to Galatians, we see Paul too tells us that this gospel was preached to Abraham, and that there was the promise OF THE SPIRIT to be given to Gentiles. GALATIANS 3:14. This same gospel in Mark 1:1-10.

Hebrews 4:1-3 also say the gospel was preached to them as well as to us. It's all the same GOOD NEWS.


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David, the Gospel began in the OT, not the new or either with Paul. The NC promised the Holy Spirit. We see immediately in Acts 1 before Paul many were saved, given the Holy Spirit and ADDED TO THE CHURCH DAILY. It appears in one day thousands were saved.

Jesus said YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN. And Paul in Roman's 6-8 only reiterate what Jesus taught. Only those crucified with Christ and raised a new creature are BORN FROM ABOVE. Only those are as Jesus prayed in John 17 I IN THEM AND THOU IN ME THAT WE MAY BE ONE.. And Roman's 8 is the NEW COVENANT of being given the Holy Spirit to walk in. BEING ONE WITH GOD IN CHRIST JUST AS COLOSSIANS 3:1-4 ALSO REITERATE.

If you truly understood Jesus teachings you would understand this.


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See, that's where David is all wet behind the ears. David has no clue what Roman's 6-8 is about and thats why "HE" can't reconcile it with Jesus teachings in the 4 Gospels. This problem is with David.

It's all right there in Jesus teachings.

But David. I'm going to leave you in your ignorance because no matter what one says, you have an unreachable and unreachable spirit.

Because YOU LIE TOO, and accuse me of things not true ALSO KNOWN AS SIN.....you are still unsaved and cannot understand spiritual things in the first place.


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1 John 5:13
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God, that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

To KNOW you HAVE eternal life is present tense. To know you have eternal life is TO KNOW YOU ARE SAVED.

If you don't KNOW you HAVE eternal life you may want to check and see if you are IN the faith.


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Actually the majority of false doctrine omits Paul altogether.

They are more focused on legalism. Kingdom now theology. Reconstruction theology. Replacement theology.

So no. The ROOT is religion. Any religion, even pagan religions. Christianity is not a religion, but the Person of Jesus Christ.


What Is The Gospel
  
David, answer this question. You now believe you are sinless correct. Do you think you are as sinless as Jesus who died for our sin? if God needed another sinless sacrifice, could you fit the bill? I am just wondering if you believe yourself to be equal to Jesus sinless perfection.

Or say, if God needed every year a perfect lamb of God, would you qualify now in your sinless state to be one?

So exactly HOW SINLESS ARE YOU? EQUAL TO GOD?


What Is The Gospel
  
Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

Romans 8 and Galatians prove David is a hack. Especially look at Galatians 5:16. If what David says is true, then Paul was all wrong and didn't understand Davids doctrine either. If there is this final death blow to our sinful flesh, Paul would not have taught the continual struggle of the flesh warring against the Spirit. It's all there in Galatians 5. No where does Paul or ANY Apostle teach we become 100% "spirit" while still alive here on earth. And that's what Davids nonsense doctrine is saying if he thinks there is this FINAL DEATH BLOW to our flesh, killing sin, but not killing us????? It's David whos not saved.


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Actually one has to be saved first to be able to HUNT false doctrine. Too funny. Tim Hunt and Walter Martin David IS NOT, nor ever will be.

Delusions of grandeur do have red flags, and David's has popped up all over the place.

David should be working out his own salvation with fear and trembling and stop intruding uninvited into anothers faith relationship with the Lord disecting their beliefs as if he were God.

Bankers don't study counterfeit money , they study real money ONLY.

Davids doctrine IS COUNTERFEIT.


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David, so what part here do you see as sinless perfection? You don't understand WE DIE TO SIN. Sin dies not die, our OLD MAN is crucified with Christ and the NEW MAN walks in the spirit and not in the flesh.

In God's eyes David we are ALL spiritually dead. All born to Adam are already dead in trespasses and sin. Paul in Roman's 7 is addressing JEWS who think keeping the law will keep them sinless. Paul is saying NO NO NO. The LAW Exposes sin within.

Roman's 7 is reiterating Roman's 6. But is stated so Jews under the law can grasp the truth.

Only JESUS CAN DELIVER YOU FROM THE BODY OF THIS DEATH BY OUR BEING RISEN UP WITH HIM A NEW CREATURE and walking in the Spirit as Roman's 8 concludes.


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Ok so then David saying he has witnessed deathbed salvation is impossible. Seeing according to his understanding no one can know if that person has had that final blow to sin can they...except for David who thinks he's god and can see into another's heart.

But I DIE DAILY ,does not mean what David thinks it means. Paul never said "I DIE DAILY until I've reached that final death blow of fresh and self, and THEN I know I'm saved being sinless" .

I DIE DAILY IS our obedience of faith DAILY . ALWAYS BEARING ABOUT IN OUR BODIES THE DYING OF CHRIST SO THAT THE LIFE OF CHRIST IS MANIFEST.


A final DEATH BLOW is our physical death.


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but in my experience it took approximately 6 months///

Here is the problem, David judges everyone according to his experience, not according to the WORD OF GOD. NO scripture even remotely says salvation takes approximately 6 months.

Another contradiction of David's is he says he has witnessed death bed salvation.

So which one is true? Does David remember from day to day what he says here? Every day is a different story.


What Is The Gospel
  
David, no scripture says Paul was saved sometime in that three years. Your trying to force Pauls salvation into your doctrine, not scripture. First you say God Chooses who he will saved, based on achieving sinless perfection. Yet we see God CHOSE PAUL , while he was still a sinner.

Paul realized on the road to Damascus that Jesus was in fact THE CHRIST WHO ROSE FROM THE DEAD, calling Him LORD.

Unsaved people don't preach Christ crucified and risen as Paul did immediately, also showing Romans 10:9-10 to be the qualifications for salvation.

It's God who justifies, not you David.
Salvation isn't achieved through works or self effort, but FAITH.


What Is The Gospel
  
To say Paul was not saved until 3 years after his conversion is saying Cornelius too was not saved at the time he heard the Gospel when the Holy Spirit fell on them and was baptized. Yet the whole of Corneluis was that he Was saved after hearing the Gospel. Now if DAVID says, but yes Peter and the Apostles were there, so they were saved, again is a strange teaching that ONLY the original APOSTLES could decide if someone was saved or only they could preach the Gospel. If that's the case no one is saved today. Apollo was not an apostle however preached the Gospels where others were saved.

Faith comes BY HEARING THE WORD OF GOD, NOT HEARING THE WORD OF THE ORIGINAL APOSTLES.

Paul preached THE WORD OF GOD.


What Is The Gospel
  
David, you have no proof or scripture to back up your last statements concerning Paul. He certainly received the Holy Spirit before your three year timeline. He also immediately preached Jesus Christ right after. To say he wasn't saved is nonsense, and AGAIN YOUR OPINION, NOT FACT.

No one is said to be saved because they joined the other apostles. No scripture says..YOU ARE NOT SAVED UNTIL YOU JOIN THE OTHER APOSTLES. If that were so, DAVID is not saved.

Where do you come up with your nonsense. Please show another teacher who teaches this.....your one man opinion is not valid.


What Is The Gospel
  
David, another question....where exactly in Matthew Mark Luke and John is the explicit teaching of the New Covenant Trav posts here often. The exact words in Hebrews 8-10.

And what part of the New Covenant do you disagree with. Seeing Paul did not write Hebrews, even if you think so, there's no proof, but the Author of Hebrews clearly shows in Hebrews 10 something Jesus didn't specifically bullet point in Matthew Mark Luke and John. So do you also disgard Hebrews? Hebrews 10..A NEW AND LIVING WAY...THROUGH THE VEIL, THAT IS TO SAY HIS FLESH.

So what your really saying is you only believe Matthew Mark Luke and John? So where did the author of Hebrews get their info?


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David, you keep saying Paul's doctrine disagrees with Jesus. It's not my doctrine David, I just post scripture.

You need to be specific how Jesus and Paul disagree . And you need to state SPECIFICALLY what exactly you THINK I'm in disagreement with. You keep making that accusation but have never backed up with proof.

Why do you think Paul's teachings disagree with Jesus? That's the real wresting here.

And your paranoid accusations again are simply your own thoughts. No one hates you. Are you also making up your own thoughts as to what I believe? Where do you say WITH PROOF that I interpret Paul's teaching against Jesus. PAUL WAS TAUGHT BY JESUS. YOU WERE NOT.


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Too funny David, because this is the third time I've corrected you on 2 Corinthians 13:1. First you didn't post the entire verse, second you've taken out of context, and 3rd, was addressed to the Corinthians about their carnal behavior. It has nothing to do with David using the verse to push his false doctrine, or insisting Romans 6-8 disagrees with Jesus in any way shape or form.

Paul explains 2 Cor 13:1 in verses 2-5. Something YOU disagree with. Paul said too...when I am weak THEN I AM STRONG. 2 Cor 12:10 SEE immediately after in ch 13 Paul reiterates this in vs 2-5.

Before throwing verses sound David LEARN WHAT THEY MEAN FIRST.


What Is The Gospel
  
5Examine Yourselves whether you're in the faith, PROVE YOURSELVES.KNOW YE NOT YOURSELVES HOW JESUS CHRIST IS IN YOU, UNLESS YOU BE FOUND A REOROBATE. 2 Cor 13:1-4 This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established. IS**DEUT 19:15** 2I told you before, and foretell you, as if I were present, the second time, being absent now I write to them which heretofore have sinned, that, if I come again, I will not spare: 3Since ye seek a proof of Christ speaking in me, which to you-ward is not weak, but is mighty in you. 4For though he was crucified through weakness, yet he liveth by the power of God. For we also are weak in him, but we shall live with him by the power of God toward you.


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David. I've never molded Paul's letters into snatching. I simply state scriptures the same as you do. You post a scripture and add your own commentary of what you THINK IT SAYS and then bully those who point out you you have embellished the verse. You've dine this multiple times with your John 14 verse. First you claim it means sinless perfection, now you say it means to follow your own conscience.

You also claim you are given the Holy Spirit before you are saved. However Roman's 6-8 state otherwise.

Projecting your own shortcomings on to another is clear here.



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