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Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.
(Galatians 1:18)
Then fourteen years later I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, and took Titus with me also.
(Galatians 2:1)

17 years folks...17 years!!! Was the church on Hiatus, all that time, waiting for Paul to give the church the foundational teachings of Salvation?
Kathrine and StrongAxe think so...do you?


What Is The Gospel
  
(1 John 3:9 & 10) Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin, for His seed remaineth in him, and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. By this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither is he that loveth not his brother.


StrongAxe Kathrine
Does it really matter what we show you in the bible? You goad us into answers, answers that say exactly what we teach, and you reject them. Above is a perfect example of a clearly written verse...you both reject.

You can continue to follow doctrines which are against the teachings of Jesus Christ, or you can follow the Holy Spirit. Your choice,...but I'm done,
with your foolishness.


What Is The Gospel
  
A final DEATH BLOW is our physical death.
---kathr4453a


Kathrine
Paul says below, The commandment which was ordained to bring life, brought him Death. So this would mean, if what you say is True and what I say is a Lie, according to your statement, Paul must have written (Romans 7:9-10) after he died...after his Physical Death.

For I was alive apart from the law once, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died, and the commandment, which was ordained to bring life, I found to be unto death.
(Romans 7:9-10)


You have stirred our curiosity.
Do your teachers believe Paul wrote all his epistles after he died, or just Romans?
If so, who was his Ghost writer?


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Ruben
I study false doctrines trying to find their roots, in the hopes I can pull them out...root and all.

Took a long time, but I finally came to understand the foothold of the false doctrine. The problem is,...foundation. Many of the false doctrines, have built their foundation entirely on Paul's epistles. Now since Paul was not a false teacher, this shouldn't be a problem. But it does become a problem, when they do not teach Paul's epistles...in their entirety.

It can be a head scratcher for those of us who read Pauls epistles as a compilation, whereas they treat his epistles like one who dissects a frog in a biology class.


What Is The Gospel
  
StrongAxe
Salvation is instantaneous.
Death to sin is like having cancer, cancer kills us a little bit everyday, but death, when it comes, is instantaneous.

This was what Paul meant by..Dying a little each day.
Did death come each day?
No, he died a little each day, but when death came, the final blow...it was instant.

If you sin, you are not saved. Sin is your sign, death to the old man has not taken place. You champion the doctrine, you will continue to sin after this death has occurred. This is why I know you are not saved. I do not say it to discourage, but to encourage you to seek the truth. Not though me or anyone else, but through the Holy Spirit.


What Is The Gospel
  
To say Paul was not saved until 3 years after his conversion is saying...Kathr

Kathrine
Did I say, It took Paul three years to be saved? No... I said he was saved during those three years.
"Paul is writing about his past, a time during the 3 years"
How long did it take? I don't know how long it took with Paul, but in my experience it took approximately 6 months. I would imagine Paul took much less time.

Also, you presume a lot by telling me to do something that I already did 46 years ago.---StrongAxe

StrongAxe
Presuming?
I can tell from your words you have not been saved. But fill us in, what makes, you believe, you were saved 46 years ago?
Your testimony...


What Is The Gospel
  
Was Paul not saved, born again, and filled with the Spirit when he wrote his epistles?---StrongAxe

StrongAxe
In Romans, Paul is writing about his past, a time during the 3 years after he went blind on the road to Damascus, but before he joined the Apostles. He was saved when he wrote it, but he was not saved, during the time of which he wrote.

Many people believe Paul was immediately saved, after he went blind on the road to Damascus. Then went merrily on his way preaching the word of God. They forget about....the 3 years he spent...alone before he joined the other Apostles.

Who taught Paul?
Did he learn from men..or from God?
Read it for yourself in (Galatians 1:11-19) and do what he did.


What Is The Gospel
  
Kathrine
Again...your doctrine disagrees with Jesus...not Paul. You simply use a few verses from Pauls epistles in which to weave your tangled web.

You hate me, because it's so easy for me to show folks the absurdity of your false doctrines. Absurdities, I reveal, in the hope folks will feel too foolish to follow. I will give your teachers credit though, The most powerful argument against their lies, is the Truth. And in your eyes, they were able to toss it aside.

That Truth which comes from The Gospel of Jesus Christ, written in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Yours is the only doctrine I have ever heard of, which has done this. Truly an Amazing feat!!


What Is The Gospel
  
In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.(2 Corinthians 13:1)

Kathrine
These are Pauls words above, not my commentary. Just One of many examples, of clearly written scripture, used by multiple teachers in the Bible. Scripture you simply dismiss....

Put me in my place...Show us someone else in the Bible...Pauls witnesses...teaching the,"No Works" doctrine, the doctrine you claim Paul taught.
I will leave you this Example of multiple witnesses, teaching the same thing I teach.
(Matthew 16:27) (Romans 2:6) (Revelation 20:13)

See how easy it is for someone who teaches the truth? And Notice...I give specific verses.


What Is The Gospel
  
Why have you always argued against Roman's 6-8?---kathr4453

Kathrine
My argument has never been with Romans....or anything Paul wrote. My argument is with doctrines like yours, who think they can mold Paul's letters into their own Truths, without any witnesses to corroborate these teachings. And which furthermore, Diametrically Oppose what Jesus taught.

Now, I will let you prove me wrong, in front of all your followers. Show me where Jesus Christ or any of his disciples taught the, "Not by Works, but by Grace" doctrine as you teach it.
Humiliate me...we're waiting!!

And then I will teach it, with multiple witnesses...including Paul.







What Is The Gospel
  
David doesn't believe Roman's 6-8.
Beware of false teachers.
---kathr4453


Ahhh...another lie from Kathrine. Her words have no Truth, so she is left with lies, lies she had learned from her Father.
As Jesus foretold...

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own, for he is a liar and the father of it.
(John 8:44)


What Is The Gospel
  
Ruben
Sin separates us from the light of God. Without the light of God, we walk in darkness. When we confess our sins before God, and ask for forgiveness, God forgives the sin, if we meet the conditions set forth by Jesus in (Matthew 6:14-15).

When our sins are forgiven, the Light Of God is instantly restored. When we are in the Light of God...our conscience becomes sensitized to the Evil in the world. It's as if, we can now see the world, through the eyes of God.

No need to prove what I say is true, because I'm sure you have experienced this at least once in your life. Only now you know what that experience was all about.


What Is The Gospel
  
How does one go about knowing he is guided by the Holy Spirit?---Ruben

(Romans 9:1 & 2)

Ruben
"Let your conscience be your guide." The early church taught this, because they knew the answer to this question. The Holy Spirit teachers us right from wrong....through our conscience. The Spirit Teaches us...The Law of Christ. (John 14:21)

Does our conscience bother us when we are doing Good?
No.
It only bothers us, when we are not doing the will of God. The conscience in most people, is very weak. They break the Law over and over...and they feel nothing.
Why?
Because they do not walk in the Light.


What Is The Gospel
  
Ruben
Meaning...there are thousands of doctrines around the globe, all divided against each other. Each one believing they are teaching the Truth. Look in any town and you will see many different churches.
Do they worship together?
No.
Why not?
Because they all think they have the Truth, and all the others churches teach a false doctrine.
You will not know who is led by the Holy Spirit, unless the Holy Spirit is leading You.The Bible was never intended to be an instruction manual, to be used without a teacher. And if that teacher isn't Gods Holy Spirit, you won't know who teaches the Truth.


What Is The Gospel
  
What does one have to do to ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST?---kathr4453

Kathrine
It means to accept the sacrifice he has offered us, by using his body and his blood for the forgiveness of sin. So that we can walk in the light and not in darkness.
It means to accept the gift of the Holy Spirit, the gift he has given us, to guide us through the darkness.

Most Christians today are not led by the Holy Spirit, but by teachers who are led by the Bible. The Holy Spirit has been with Christians for thousands of years..The Bible?...A few hundred years
What did folks use before the Bible?
They only had Gods Holy Spirit, where there is One Truth..One Way.
The Bible is a amazing, but only when it is used properly.


What Is The Gospel
  
Now interestingly I have pressed David for a couple years here concerning his belief in the DEITY OF CHRIST.---kathr4453

To be clear, No....I do not believe Jesus is God the Father. I believe Jesus is the Son of God...period, which is what the Bible teaches, which would make him a deity.


What Is The Gospel
  
I don't believe there is any scripture that says we must "accept Christ" StrongAxe

StrongAxe
That's the summary of the entire New Testament. If sin is your master (John 8:34) and you want to change masters, don't you need to accept Jesus to be your new master? If not, please explain how you make Jesus, Lord, without accepting him?

Now by simply accepting him in that role, does not make him your master. This obedience is much like adultery, which brings death to the old man. When dead...then Jesus can become your new master.

(Romans 7:2)
For the woman who hath a husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth, but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of the husband.


What Is The Gospel
  
I believe that you need a relationship with God, but no where does it say you need to accept Jesus Christ as your savior to be saved.---Ruben on 1/6/22

Ruben
Sorry brother, I was in a hurry when I replied and didn't read through your whole post. I totally agree..and great point!!

Not that it's totally false, we do need to accept Jesus as Lord and Savior. Problem is, people only see him as their Savior...never making him their Lord.

StrongAxe
Your right..I didn't answer your question. Thought I did, but after paring it down to fit, I removed the answer. I don't go to a church. The People as Great!! But listening to the teachings are like fingernails on a chalkboard.


What Is The Gospel
  
Ruben
You need to use a little deductive reasoning. Now here is another Example...
(Matthew 7:22-23) Many will say to Me in that Day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy name, and in Thy name have cast out devils, and in Thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, "I never knew you: depart from Me, ye that work iniquity."

"I never knew you",..this is something you say, to someone, with whom you don't have a relationship. So this clearly shows you must have a relationship with Jesus to be saved...else he will say..."I never knew you".
Understand?
If not, try reading what Jesus taught in the Gospels, then you may be able to see it for yourself.



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