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What Is The Gospel
Too funny David, because this is the third time I've corrected you on 2 Corinthians 13:1. First you didn't post the entire verse, second you've taken out of context, and 3rd, was addressed to the Corinthians about their carnal behavior. It has nothing to do with David using the verse to push his false doctrine, or insisting Romans 6-8 disagrees with Jesus in any way shape or form.

Paul explains 2 Cor 13:1 in verses 2-5. Something YOU disagree with. Paul said too...when I am weak THEN I AM STRONG. 2 Cor 12:10 SEE immediately after in ch 13 Paul reiterates this in vs 2-5.

Before throwing verses sound David LEARN WHAT THEY MEAN FIRST.

What Is The Gospel
5Examine Yourselves whether you're in the faith, PROVE YOURSELVES.KNOW YE NOT YOURSELVES HOW JESUS CHRIST IS IN YOU, UNLESS YOU BE FOUND A REOROBATE. 2 Cor 13:1-4 This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established. IS**DEUT 19:15** 2I told you before, and foretell you, as if I were present, the second time, being absent now I write to them which heretofore have sinned, that, if I come again, I will not spare: 3Since ye seek a proof of Christ speaking in me, which to you-ward is not weak, but is mighty in you. 4For though he was crucified through weakness, yet he liveth by the power of God. For we also are weak in him, but we shall live with him by the power of God toward you.

What Is The Gospel
David. I've never molded Paul's letters into snatching. I simply state scriptures the same as you do. You post a scripture and add your own commentary of what you THINK IT SAYS and then bully those who point out you you have embellished the verse. You've dine this multiple times with your John 14 verse. First you claim it means sinless perfection, now you say it means to follow your own conscience.

You also claim you are given the Holy Spirit before you are saved. However Roman's 6-8 state otherwise.

Projecting your own shortcomings on to another is clear here.

What Is The Gospel
David, you've had plenty of opportunity to say you believe Roman's 6-8, but have instead posted many comments denouncing over the past 2 years just as you have skirted around the DEITY OF CHRIST. He's not a deity.

All one has to do is go back and read your comments to know who the liar is David.

So prove yourself and tell us when YOU OBEYED Roman's 6-8 and what that was like.

Why have you always argued against Roman's 6-8?

What Is The Gospel
The early church did not teach "let your conscience be your guide".

To be taught of the Holy Spirit is the Holy Spirit pointing to Jesus Christ. John 15.

Man was given a conscience when created. So man knows right from wrong. However we (those now saved) we see in Hebrews says our old conscience has been purged from dead works by the blood of Jesus Christ to Serve the living God. We are given THE MIND OF CHRIST...

So for one to be lead by the Spirit they first need to be saved and risen with Christ just as Roman's 6-8 teach us.

David doesn't believe Roman's 6-8, always arguing against and seems to say he has found another way around the CROSS.

Beware of false teachers.

What Is The Gospel
The foundation is Christ. Now Paul tells us we build upon that foundation either wood hay and stubble or Gold , silver and precious stone. So I believe correct doctrine is what we are building here. We're not saved by this Doctrine, but by faith in Jesus Christ, but if man-made traditions and man-made etc is built upon it will burn up. But the person is still saved. Others who have built correctly will be rewarded.

Want More From God
There are different judgements, and one is the Judgment of Nations as well. So yes there are different judgements. Those allowed to enter into the 1000 year reign will still be earthly and this is 1000 years before the Great White Throne Judgment. In Matthew 24-25 you will not see the Lambs Book of Life mentioned. Why, because this is not the final Judgements. This Judgements is immediately at Jesus 2nd coming to earth.

This also is not the Judgement Seat of Christ the BOC will by judged at.

What Is The Gospel
We're exercised to know both good and evil. God will put you through a battery of tests so you'll learn the difference between the leading of the Holy Spirit and, Satan who loves more than anything to confuse you or tempt you etc. Jesus was tested 40 days was also for our example of OVERCOMING THE EVIL ONE.

David had never testified to this and because his faith has never been tried and tested may not know he has been led by a counterfeit spirit.

James 1 testifies to this testing and it's results. We don't overcome SIN, we OVERCOME the evil 1St John show is part of our growth and maturity. The TESTING OF YOUR FAITH is something every born again Christian goes through. If you haven't, check to see you are IN THE FAITH.

Can You Love God
In THE OT THE Holy Spirit actually REVEALED TRUTH to the Prophets etc. But the difference is the Holy Spirit was UPON Prophets , Priests and Kings on the OT, but not IN THEM the way the Holy Spirit is IN the believer today. The Holy Spirit TODAY has joined us together WITH CHRIST,that only happened AFTER Jesus rose from the dead.

Want More From God
Hebrews 7:25. Is another way of saying " no one can come to the Father except THROUGH His Son.

Strongaxe, I believe the verses in Matthew you always refer to is addressed to those who make it through the Great Tribulation after we see all that will come to pass in Matthew 24-25. You see Jesus as KING here on earth at that time.. Seeing the Great Tribulation is also know as the time of Jacob's Trouble, and anti_ Semitic will be at its height, the MY BRETHREN here are Jews Jesus is referring to. How the Jews are treated at that time, also is stated in Zachariah 12-14.

This judgement is not those saved by grace through faith today.

What Is The Gospel
David I'm still waiting for answers to my questions concerning the Deity of Christ you have skirted around. I still want an answer.

Want More From God
God saves those who's faith is in His Son . No scripture says you must first be madly in love with Jesus before God will save you.

Those "many people" are not saved in the first place do they are getting nothing from God. They may be getting it from Satan pretending to be God, but not God.

And as long as Satan is feeding their greed, there is nothing you can say or do that will change their thinking. I don't think we need to worry about the MANY PEOPLE in that category. Let's focus on many people who need The Lord, not money.

What Is The Gospel
David, the Holy Scriptures have been around for thousands of years. You confuse that with the NT. The Bereans searched the scriptures daily to see if what Paul was saying was true. What they were searching was the OT Scriptures.

No scripture says to accept the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is given to those who believe JESUS IS THE CHRIST , GOD IN THE FLESH who died for our sin and have repented. Acts 2:38-40.

I've received ALL of Jesus, as CHRIST IN ME consists of the RISEN CHRIST AND SPIRIT OF CHRIST IN ME, changing me from Glory to Glory. Cojlossians 1:24-27, 2 Corinthians 3... THE WHOLE CHAPTER, Romans 6-8. Is how Christ is in you AND how the Holy Spirit is in you. Actually Colossians 3:1-4 consists of the WHOLE TRINITY.

What Is The Gospel
Wouldn't Jesus be illegitimate if God divorced Israel. Israel is the wife of God. Aka THE WOMAN seen in Revelation 12. And the Woman and child in Rev 12, the child is Christ. I think we can all agree here. So if God divorced Israel, Jesus would be an illegitimate child wouldn't He? Unless men think they still can have their way with a wife they divorced.

So IN CHRIST a BETTER COVENANT WAS MADE. God didn't take an illegitimate Son to make a better Covenant with Israel.

Trav has no idea what he is posting here. He thinks he does, and that's sad.

The promise of the Messiah began in Genesis 3:15. And Genesis 3:15 is also continued into Rev 12, and Rev 22:16

What Is The Gospel
Trav, you need to post those scriptures in order. Jer 3:14 comes AFTER Jer3:1-4, proving God did not divorce Israel.

Plus divorce is not a death as David showed in Romans 7.

In Jeremiah 3 we see after God states vs 1-8He still refers to Israel as those He is married to.

Romans 7 is concerning the LAW. THEY HAD TO DIE TO THE Law to he married to another, which is Christ. Rom 7:4

Now we all know you will answer back in sarcastic vile verbage hissing like a snake at women who correct you, but that's OK. As long as OTHERS see your false teaching is all that matters

What Is The Gospel
I didn't ask you if Jesus was THE FATHER. I've always found that if someone answered that way they were deflecting.



One God David. not "a" deity .

So please answer again. Do you believe Before Jesus was made FLESH,He was/is THE WORD WHO WAS/IS GOD?

If you don't David, no matter how you try to deflect your answer, you do not believe Jesus is LORD GOD ALMIGHTY, and since you don't, have not made Jesus Lord. Only by the Holy Spirit can you say Jesus IS LORD. LORD MEANING GOD. ....NOT LORD MEANING THE FATHER.

What Is The Gospel
To Accept Jesus Christ is again MAINSTREAM Christianity jargon.

David although you insist you do not like or believe in mainstream Christianity you keep using their jargon.

Also please give explicit detail on what exactly ACCEPTING CHRIST entails. What does one have to do to ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST?

What Is The Gospel
So another thought here....To make Jesus Lord is to first acknowledge Jesus is GOD. He IS The Lord God Almighty. But I don't hear anyone say we must make GOD GOD . Because GOD IS GOD, AND another word for GOD is LORD.

Now interestingly I have pressed David for a couple years here concerning his belief in the DEITY OF CHRIST. And he has refused to do so, siding with the JW's and MORMONS that Jesus is not GOD, but a god or Michael the Arc-Angel.

So, again David, if you have made Jesus LORD, declare here JESUS IS GOD IN THE FLESH. If you can't....then YOU have not made Jesus LORD, as scripture defines LORD AKA LORD GOD ALMIGHTY .

Believe In The Gospel
Abraham was imputed righteousness when he believed God. Now the JUST SHALL LIVE BY FAITH, " just " meaning the justified, and LIVE BY, is a daily walk of obedience. When Abraham offered Isaac, that was not Abrahams initial salvation, but evidence OF his salvation by a continued obedience to the Lord, just as Paul testifies concerning his own salvation in Philippians 3..I PRESS ON....

The Lord wants us to GROW UP INTO THE FULLNESS and Stature of Christ, and that happens by our obedience of walking in those WORKS GOD HAS BEFORE ORDAINED WE ARE TO WALK IN. These are works OF Faith.

Those TRULY SAVED BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH can testify to these facts by their own testimony. 2 Corinthians 13:5 Ephesians 4:13, 1 Thess 1:3

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