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Want More From God
  
StrongAxe * 2:8-9:

It reads you HAVE been saved (past tense)

In Phil: 2:12 " Work out our salvation with fear and trembling." (Present tense)


3.Romans 13:11 'Salvation is nearer to us now then when we first believed." ( Future tense) Paul goes on and tell us in 2 Tim 4:7 " keep our faith" then we will be saved.

Jesus says in Matt 12:36-37 " On the day of JUDGEMENT men will render account for every careless words they utter,for by our words you will be justified and by your words you will be condemned. "

in Rev 2:23 Jesus says " I am he who searches mind and hearts, and I give to each of you as your works deserve."

Read Romans 2: 6-7!


What Is The Strong Delusion
  
-Trav*Context of the entire book is ALL Israels relationship with GOD. This collective was written by Israel, too Israel.

So why did not Israels put the bible together? And why are you missing 7 books , who Jesus and the apostles quote several times in the NT?

Examples:

Matt. 2:16 Herods order of slaying innocent children was prophesied in Wis. 11:7 slaying the holy innocents

Heb 11:35 Paul teaches about the martyrdom of the mother and her sons you can find this story in 2 Macc. 7:1-42.


Want More From God
  
StrongAxe *Yes, the next verse says we are prepared for good works - but it doesn't say we are SAVED by those good works.

We merit salvation by cooperating with God's grace to do the works he prepared for us! Mt 25:45 " Truly I tell you , just as you DID NOT do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it me. And these will go away into ETERNAL PUNISHMENT"

StrongAxe * Salvation (a GIFT of God), and rewards for good works (which are earned) are two separate things.

But if you reject his gift, which we have free will and don't do the work prepared by God, the results will be the same..Eternal punishment!

Still waiting for the scripture verse that tells me we are saved by Faith alone.


Want More From God
  
StrongAxe * Ephesians: 2:8-9:
For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves:

The next verse says " For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for GOOD WORKS, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them."v 10

Paul reminds his audience in Romans that God " will render to every man according to his WORKS..RO 2: 6-7

StrongAxe *Matthew 7:22-23:

Jesus said the one who does the will of the Father not those who have faith only!

StrongAxe *1 Cor 3:11-15

This verse is an important witness to how believers in general will be judged after death! It is not by faith alone.








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Want More From God
  
StrongAxe *We are SAVED by faith alone. We are JUSTIFIED by faith and works.

No where in scripture does it say we are save by faith alone. In fact the only place where the words faith and alone are together is in James 2:24 " not by faith alone."

StrongAxe * Paul says what happens to someone without works, or with bad works - they themselves are saved, although their works are destroyed as by fire.)

1 Cor 3:15 'if the works which any man has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved." it has nothing to do about faith alone!


What Is The Gospel
  

David* How does one go about knowing he is guided by the Holy Spirit?---Ruben

(Romans 9:1 & 2)

Paul also said about his conscience in Romans 7:14-15 " For I do not do what I want, but I do very thing I hate...because of the sin that dwells in me."

David* The early church taught this, because they knew the answer to this question. The Holy Spirit teachers us right from wrong....through our conscience. The Spirit Teaches us...The Law of Christ. (John 14:21)

Yes the HS does, but it will not interfere with our free will.The Early Church did not go by conscience but by what Jesus said to them .." Will teach you everything and remind you of ALL I HAVE SAID TO YOU." JHN 14:26


Want More From God
  
Exactly! John wrote that the three greatest things are Faith, Hope, and Love - yet we are saved by Faith, not by Hope, and not by Love. (Although, curiously enough, the judgment in Matthew 25 is based on Love, not Faith).
---StrongAxe on 1/12/22

"And now these three remain, Faith,Hope and Love. But the greatest of this is LOVE." 1 Cor 13:13

" For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, the only thing that counts is faith working through love." Gal 5:6

" You see that a person is justified by works and not bt FAITH ALONE." Jas 2:24


What Is The Gospel
  
David * Meaning...there are thousands of doctrines around the globe, all divided against each other. Each one believing they are teaching the Truth.
Because they all think they have the Truth, and all the others churches teach a false doctrine.

That's because they believe in the Bible Alone doctrine, which is no where in scripture!

David *You will not know who is led by the Holy Spirit, unless the Holy Spirit is leading You.

How does one go about knowing he is guided by the Holy Spirit?


David * The Bible was never intended to be an instruction manual, to be used without a teacher.

Those teachers were the Apostles and their successors, " He who listen to you listens to me." LK 10:16


What Is The Gospel
  
What did folks use before the Bible?
They only had Gods Holy Spirit, where there is One Truth..One Way.
The Bible is a amazing, but only when it is used properly.
---David on 1/10/22

David

What do you mean by one truth and one way? So, many here have said they are led but the Holy Spirit including you , how do we know who is really led by the Spirit? Who or what determines if the Bible is use properly? Sorry for the many questions your statement is confusing to me!


What Is The Gospel
  
Ruben
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Not that it's totally false, we do need to accept Jesus as Lord and Savior. Problem is, people only see him as their Savior...never making him their Lord.

---David on 1/7/22

I myself also get in a hurry to write but I seem to miss many points!

Scripture itself shows who even those you say Lord also miss the point. Case in point is the verse you quote Matt 7: 22-23.

In Romans 10:13 It reads " Everyone who calls on the name LORD will be saved." They will then say , see that all you need . But a few chapters more Paul tells those who already call on his name , that their "Salvation is nearer to us now than when we first believed." Romans 13:11


What Is The Gospel
  
"I never knew you",. .

---David/22

I believe that you need a relationship with God, but no where does it say you need to accept Jesus Christ as your savior to be saved! It reads that they said "Did we not prophesy IN THY NAME." Jesus goes on and said " I never knew you". not because they had no relationship with him, after all they prophesy in his name.But only the one who DOES thy will of the Father in Heaven. When ask What shall I do to enter Heaven, Jesus never said have a relationship with me but instead said Keep my commandments!
In Luke 19:9 Zacchaeus the tax collector, said he will pay back all of his wrong doing, thats when Jesus says " Salvation has come to this house."


What Is The Gospel
  
(John 14:23-24) Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love Me, he will keep My words, and My Father will love him .

Can any of this happen, if we are not in a relationship with God?
---David on 1/5/22

So there no scripture that says we are saved through a relationship with God!

You need to Love one another, forgive one another, be born again with water and Spirit.

Remine in him and confess our sins.In Hebrews 12:14 it says that we will not see the Lord unless we are holy, and that we have to strive for this holiness.

So we have to continue to do these things in other to stay with God!

But there is a scripture that shows you can have a personnel relationship with him.

JHN 6:52-54"


What Is The Gospel
  

We are saved as individuals, through a personal relationship with God.

David..

Where in scripture tells us (we are saved through personal relational with God)?

Paul clearly taught the whole point of being born again, is to rid the body of sin. But if the body of sin has died, why do folks continue to sin?
If the Born Again continue to sin after being Born Again...Whats the point of being Born Again?

Paul also said Romans 7:15-20 - I do not understand what I do. For what ...

16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. "


---David on 1/4/22


Confession Of Sin
  
StrongAxe * Case in point: there are many cases of pastors being expelled or even arrested because of scandals involving adultery, child abuse, embezzlement, or worse - which would never happen to truly saved people.

I guessed David and Moses were not truly saved ?

David committed adultery and Moses was a murder..

StrongAxe * I show that eliminating unwanted pregnancy is MORE EFFECTIVE than outlawing it -

I would think not killing babies is the ONLY way to go, dont you?


Why Does God Punish Us
  
That each person will suffer for their sins then cease to exist.
---Samuelbb7 on 11/13/21

Give the verse that teaches this?


What Is The Purpose Of Blogs
  
The reason they argue is because neither have authority on scripture!

These small groups all believe that the Bible is the final authority, scripture alone.

All have one way or another said that the Holy Spirit guides them in scripture or that Jesus open their eyes.

If they really believe that all they need is scripture, then they should had look at scriptures like these:

Matt 18: 17-18 " If he refuses to listen to them, tell the CHURCH."

Matt 16: 18 " Upon this rock I will build my CHURCH."

1 Tim 3:15 " The CHURCH is the pillar and foundation of TRUTH."

Now they need to find that CHURCH, scripture is talking about:)


Is Paul the 13th Apostle
  
Yes. Israels New Testament.

Heb 9:15And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Heb 9:16For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
---Trav on 8/12/21

How did the Bible come about?

Where does God tells Israels that these 27 books belong in the NT?


Finish It Here July 27 2021
  
Our works are judged at the Judgement seat of Christ, for believers only.
---kathr4453 on 7/30/21

Yes and St Paul tells us about our works..

"each mans work will become manifest, for the Day [judgment day] will disclose it, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. If any mans work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire. 1 Cor 3:13-15

Rev 21:27 says " Nothing unclean enters Heaven"

Where is this place that after we die, suffer loss , as through fire but yet safe?


Finish It Here July 27 2021
  
Ruben, I believe our faith here and now IS tried by fire,
---kathr4453 on 7/27/21

Both 1 Peter 7 and Rev 3:18 supports what 1 Cor 3 13-17 is saying,

1 Cor 3:13 " the work of each will come to light, for the (DAY) will disclose it."

What Day is Paul talking about? Of course judgment day.

"If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire." v15

So our works are not going through fire now, until we meet Jesus. Remember it says ON THAT DAY IT WILL BE REVELED!

So I ask you now , where are our works being purified , so that we shall be saved?



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